Jeremy Corbyn

I agree corbyn is not that talented but its obvious that constant attacks form the "true heart of labour" will do nothing but undermine and hurt the party

Pointless debate none of us are going to change pour opinion and our squabbling serves only to hurt the party and help the tories

How the party gets united I dont know but it is certainly not this way.

Not that talented? This is a man who's grand 'relaunch consisted of him contradicting his own position within the same sentence. Absolutely clueless!

that constant attacks form the "true heart of labour"

who's attacked him? Theres been silence from the labour benches since his re-election. Nobody has said a word. I think that says more about the paranoia of the left than anything else.

Nobody is bothering to attack him, least of all the Tory's. Nobody needs to. He does it to himself.

Labour MP's will just follow their former voters, and just give up on the party.

Hurray for the 'new' left! 🙄

As Binners says the PLP have been keeping quiet. Corbyn managed the relaunch fiasco all by himself. Corbyn is not subject to disloyalty or internal critism at the moment nor are the Tories attacking him.

Stoke on Trent

Leave 69% Remain 31%
2015: Hunt 12k (39%), UKIP 7k (23), Tories 7k (23) - Lib Dems dropped from 2nd in 2005 to 5th.

Shock UKIP win ?

yes binners the silence is in no way a means of attacking him and is not at all designed to undermine him in any way. Furthermore nothing you have ever said could in any way be seen as an attack on him

Which one of us has our head in the sand and is denying reality...i am confused perhaps I need a pastry based sugar rush 😉

Somewhat predictably. There's bound to be a mass exodus of MP's who [s]are just tired of banging their head against a brick wall, faced with the impossible task of following a clueless leader into political oblivion[/s]are too arrogant to accept their members' democratic decisions, and uniting behind their leader

FTFY.

Shock UKIP win ?

If they dont Nuttall will be in trouble, especially as he is anti-NHS

I think I know how this will be fought...

http://www.expressandstar.com/news/health/2016/12/15/staffordshire-to-lose-ae-department-under-plans-to-make-542m-cuts/

unless ukip can find that bus 😉

By the looks of things, Dr is letting the desire to argue with you cloud his judgement here. He is not alone, as you mention the subject of this thread makes the same mistake.

The facts are what they are. The implication that this measure of income inequality has fallen due to Tory magnanimity and social conscience is incorrect, so jamba's negotiation of the slope resembles mostly Eddy the Eagle 🙂

Eddy the Eagle

British record holder in his day 🙂

No Dr, the arguments that income inequality continues to rise under the Tories is what was being falsified. This is a common narrative, used again by Jezza that is factually incorrect.

I am not one to give too much credit to politicians, but there is also a specific policy response that has helped reduce inequality under the Coalition and Tories, so you are still on a slippery slope. But thats a minor secondary point

Junkyard - lazarus
yes binners the silence is in no way a means of attacking him and is not at all designed to undermine him in any way. Furthermore nothing you have ever said could in any way be seen as an attack on him

As binns has pointed out, the silenced ones don't need to attack Jeremy - he's busy doing that himself...

Respect as leader is earned not given. He can't lead a party, that's clear.

I was amused by this line from the RSPB website about cuckoos

Their recent population decline makes this a Red List species.

Suzanne Moore was quite on point with this para

Talking about pay differentials is good, riffing without facts or figures is not. Likewise, vague expressions of concern about austerity, inequality and neoliberalism are now a political code that results [b]in a vast switch off.[/b] More code was uttered by Corbyn with his talk of “managed migration” and “access” to the single market. Everyone has access; the point is the terms of that access, and managed migration is not going to be one of them. [b]That makes his utterances meaningless.[/b]

JY is right. Corbyn's competence, and that of the team around him is irrelevant. The only relevant thing is that he won a democratic election for the leadership of the party. Twice. The second time he won even after the party executive did their utmost to gerrymander the vote by first arbitrarily changing the rules to exclude existing members who had previously been promised a vote, and then shamelessly excluding thousands of members on extremely spurious grounds (tweets in support of green party policies for instance), or just not sending out ballots (I know of a few people who didn't receive a ballot with no explanation). And yet they still lost!

Corbyn can't quit as he's won two overwhelming mandates from the membership to change the party. Expecting him to quit is naive and frankly insulting to the membership. If the PLP and others want rid of him, the mechanism to do that is clear. Find a candidate who can beat him in an election. Their failure to do that so far says just as much about their own incompetence as Corbyn's.

JY is right. Corbyn's competence, and that of the team around him is irrelevant.

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Hail Reg!

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THM you tease still not able to try and defeat my points yourself but happy to still use emojis... shame you dont have the courage of your convictions and try a debate

Respect as leader is earned not given. He can't lead a party, that's clear.

As daz notes they cannot beat him, so they dont support him, and we have this impasse where everything is his fault
That is not a very sound logical position. they keep losing voites and not respecting the decision I am not sure this is actually his fault. He is not blameless either as he is not that competent.

the silenced ones don't need to attack Jeremy - he's busy doing that himself

Bluntly the issue is the party support him and the PLP dont
How we/they resolve this is an interesting discussion but i dont think its by ignoring democracy and siding with those who dont have a party mandate for their view
If you disagree then by all means explain why - this might require a wee bit more than an emoji THM

JY is right. Corbyn's competence, and that of the team around him is irrelevant.

That is just superb. You do understand that he is meant to:

1. Oppose the government competently
2. Make it obvious to the electorate that he could run the country better
3. Get voted into power

No!! Really !! LOL!!

But anyway, enjoy the wonderful prospects of post-competence politics, where waffling virtue signalling is more important than leading or being competent.

Presumably those defending the point that JeremeyJeremy is doing a meaningful job because he was voted in, have no problem with The Trump being POTUS because he was voted in...

It seems like Neil Coyle thinks that having [url= https://order-order.com/2017/01/13/corbyns-campaign-director-faces-relaunch-backlash/ ]no real plan and weak leadership[/url] isn't necessarily a great strategy for success as well.

Meanwhile the conservatives will get on with the business of running the country.

have no problem with The Trump being POTUS because he was voted in

I don't have a problem with the fact he's in because he was voted in.

I have a problem with the fact that people voted for him...

That is just superb. You do understand that he is meant to:

Obviously that's not what I'm talking about, but I accept I should have been clearer to preempt the pedants on here looking to win internet debating points.

I'm talking about that Suzanne Moore piece and her opinion that he should quit of his own accord for the good of the party. He has no choice. The only thing relevant to whether he remains leader of the labour party is whether he can win a leadership election. His opponents have clearly not figured this out yet, and the sooner they do the better for all concerned, not least Corbyn himself and the party's chances of ever forming a govt again.

[quote=Mr Woppit ]Presumably those defending the point that JeremeyJeremy is doing a meaningful job because he was voted in, have no problem with The Trump being POTUS because he was voted in...

I dont always like democratic results but that does not mean i can just ignore them and the wishes of the people or the party. If i choose to oppose then i have to use the democratic process and this failed for the PLP and yet they still wont accept the decision

I dont think anyone thinks its going well the only debate seems to be on who is to blame him for the PLP hating him and not following him or the party or the leader for having been voted in. I think the PLPs job is to represent the parties wishes and those wishes are clear. its not their job to make sure the parties wishes fail because they disagree they had their vote twice and lost both times. They seem intent on destroying the party to get their way
Corbyn clearly wont stand aside- not sure folk who can win elections often do stand aside to the losers but hey lets still blame him- so we have this stand off.
it would be better if they agreed to work together but as it is bridges have been burned, then burned again and finally just to be sure they burned them again.

It's going well then.....

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The tweet referenced;
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I'm talking about that Suzanne Moore piece and her opinion that he should quit of his own accord for the good of the party. He has no choice.

True. He'll do exactly what John and Len bloody well tell him to do, or they'll carry on giving him wedgies and nicking his dinner money

Theres been silence from the labour benches since his re-election. Nobody has said a word.

Basically the last resort. "Go on then Jeremy, crack on with it and see what happens". The silence will be deafening if Copeland is lost to the tories. If they can get him up to the constituency to 'help' then the trap will be well and truly sprung. If he doesn't go then equally tricky questions will be asked.

Of course, that assumes Copeland won't be Labour after the by-election...

Obviously that's not what I'm talking about, but I accept I should have been clearer to preempt the pedants on here looking to win internet debating points.

We know what you said, you know what you said.

I dont think anyone thinks its going well the only debate seems to be on who is to blame him for the PLP hating him and not following him

That would be, er, him...

Its definitely his fault the party vote for him and definitely his fault the PLP keep losing the vote and definitely his ault the PLP wont accept it or work with the elected leader....that is indeed how democracy works
Good point well made [ and mercifully brief 😉 ]

We know what you said, you know what you said.

clearly he was speaking re winning the labour leadership- that much was obvious as was your distortion

I think the PLPs job is to represent the parties wishes and those wishes are clear. its not their job to make sure the parties wishes fail because they disagree they had their vote twice and lost both times.

Indeed. Not that difficult to understand is it? If labour MPs cannot accept the clear and unambiguous wishes of the party membership, then they have only one option open to them. I actually have a fair amount of respect for the likes of Hunt. Better to get out of the way and do something else than hang around and snipe from the sidelines which will only do more damage.

Its definitely his fault the party vote for him

Glad you brought that up. All he had to do, after his first year of incompetence, was to stand up and say "look, folks, I am crap, I'm clueless, I make the worst Miliband look like a good idea, I am not standing for election as leader of the party".

Even he could have ( probably ) managed to do that.

Instead, egotistical moron that he is, he put his name on the ballot and fought to win.

So yes, [b]Its definitely his fault the party vote for him[/b].

If they cannot beat a candidate like that then how shit are the PLP ?
Sorry my mistake they are not shit its his fault

Best of the 4 candidates.

Tristram Hunt LOL he can go- cheerio! Useless bag of wind anyway. Though I am suprised he could leave behind his beloved Stoke. I remember his speech on Question Time when he was considering running for Labour leader "I first became aware of inequality on the mean streets of Brooklyn"

EDIT: Though I would say Hunt would have been a better candidate for leader than the others who stood in the original election as would have been Umuna.

Council elections going well yesterday

Gade Valley (Three Rivers) result:
LDEM: 60.9% (+24.0)
CON: 19.1% (-22.9)
LAB: 11.6% (-9.6)
UKIP: 6.7% (+6.7)
GRN: 1.8% (+1.8)

and in brexit heartland.....

Sandhill (Sunderland) result:
LDEM: 45.0% (+41.5)
LAB: 25.0% (-29.9)
UKIP: 18.7% (-7.2)
CON: 10.0% (-5.7)
GRN: 1.3% (+1.3)

Junkyard - lazarus
Its definitely his fault the party vote for him and definitely his fault the PLP keep losing the vote and definitely his ault the PLP wont accept it or work with the elected leader....that is indeed how democracy works

Yep, including the bit where the "leader" has to look credible to the electorate and not just the political hipster band-wagon jumpers of his personal guard and fan club.

At least try and have a grown up debate [ logic , reason points and counter points] rather than just use OTT invective hyperbole

Sorry my mistake they are not shit its his fault

Ironic really as the central criticism they level against Corbyn is that he refuses to accept the wishes of the electorate and instead expects them to come over to his point of view. All that stuff about him living in his comfort zone and they can't see that's exactly what they're doing. The transparent hypocrisy and arrogance that these simple rules don't apply to them are exactly why they can't beat him.

Junkyard - lazarus
At least try and have a grown up debate [ logic , reason points and counter points] rather than just use OTT invective hyperbole

Point nicely avoided with some OTT invective, there... 😆

So childish is all you can do , shame.

I decline to get involved

I assume you're not interested in the UK having an elected Labour Government, but only in the "purity" of the leadership's socialist credentials and loyalty of his acolytes.

Were it any other, there wouldn't be any point in supporting the useless article so doggedly.

Islington North will be the next by-election, the sitting MP will resign on health grounds

😉

The only relevant thing is that he won a democratic election for the leadership of the party. Twice.

Voted for by what is the largest political party, in terms of membership in Europe.

But it will mean nothing at the election that matters.

If i choose to oppose then i have to use the democratic process and this failed for the PLP and yet they still wont accept the decision

Because the PLP know this party is now un-electable.

If they cannot beat a candidate like that then how shit are the PLP ?

The PLP are not going to beat anyone unless they field a candidate thats as left wing(unelectable in general elections) as Corbyn. The party with its voting system has effectively neutralized itself.

he refuses to accept the wishes of the electorate and instead expects them to come over to his point of view.

This how the left works, it is one trait they share with the right.

While all this is happening:

Meanwhile the conservatives will get on with the business of ruining the country.

FTFY Cranberry.

Council elections going well yesterday

Gade Valley (Three Rivers) result:
LDEM: 60.9% (+24.0)
CON: 19.1% (-22.9)
LAB: 11.6% (-9.6)
UKIP: 6.7% (+6.7)
GRN: 1.8% (+1.8)

and in brexit heartland.....

Sandhill (Sunderland) result:
LDEM: 45.0% (+41.5)
LAB: 25.0% (-29.9)
UKIP: 18.7% (-7.2)
CON: 10.0% (-5.7)
GRN: 1.3% (+1.3)

There's a bit more to that Sunderland story: the Labour councillor was sacked because she didn't turn up to any meetings for six months...

'well the old boy has taken to ****ter to remind everyone of Theresa's six monts in power and her poor track record. while in office. So given that, shall we have a little look at the polls.....how far is Jezza in the lead now?

'well the old boy has taken to ****ter to remind everyone of Theresa's six monts in power and her poor track record. while in office. So given that, shall we have a little look at the polls.....how far is Jezza in the lead now?

Yes, it's much better if the leader of the opposition says nothing about the PM's record.

On the contrary we need a Leader of HM Oppo that can hold the givernment to account. This one can't.

I would be a bit embarrassed listing all those cock-ups and them realising that despite all that people think tha you are still crap. How bad does Thereas have to be, before the old boy resonates with voters?

TMH well 372 have re-Tweeted his rant, it's a people's revolution don't you know. All 372 of them.

dazh Corbyn has never worked with the PLP, he's pretty much always been against (eg 500 votes against his own party, never held a senior Westminster post). The "membership" elected an outsider who doesn't work work with his own party and who has no leadership skills. Actually [b]that[/b] is all that matters right now.

Better than the people who stood against him in the leadership election.

Also Jamba he voted aginst Iraq, tuition fees, PFIs etc which in the eyes of most is a GOOD thing.He can say he's against further privatisation of the NHS and his voting record confirms it, who else in Labour can can say that?

Ages to the G.E. plenty can happen but I fear it will be a vote on Brexit and nowt else. Labour can't win that election, his rebranding (on paper before it happened!) would have been a step in the right direction.

Iraq vote issue is killing Labour. Need to move on. The Labour party was not elected on a "pacifist" mandate. Also Labour need to understand that inaction in Syria contributed to an additional 200,000 (?) deaths and Assad turning out to to be the victor. Inaction costs lives. No NATO troops in Eastern Europe = more annexation by Russia ?

In my view Brexit will NOT be a issue at the 2020 GE. It will be done and dusted, old news. Focus will be on which party will do the best job of signing new trade deals and focusing the UK more globally. Just my view

Looks like it's going to be Paul Nuttall fighting the Stoke seat for UKIP. The city that most resoundingly voted out in the U.K. That's going to be interesting, to say the least.

There's a labour minister on channel 4 news, stuttering and stalling trying (and failing) to explain what labours policy on immigration and Brexit actually is. Paul Nuttall doesn't seem in much doubt about his.

So if Stoke goes UKIP, and Copeland goes Tory, what then for Jezza?

Though I think we all already know the answer to that.

Nothing at all. Just another day in lefty la la land

Getting involved in Syria would have made no difference or made things worse unless we supported Assad to get where we are now quicker. Proxy war against Russia?

So if Stoke goes UKIP, and Copeland goes Tory, what then for Jezza?

Though traitors scoff and coward's lear
He'll keep the Red Flag flying here

Resignations are more damaging than these by-elections imo

Based on what I have seen and a gut feel Baroness Shakrabati is setting herself up to be the next leader. Corbyn may even stand aside for her, comfortable London by-election even ? The irony of an unelected peer leading Labour would turn the dial to 11

Now of course it could be totally partisan but Telegragph is reporting that a number of Labour MPs are planning to resign this year and are deliberately timing their resignations so there is a steady stream. By-election after by-election.

Based on what I have seen and a gut feel Baroness Shakrabati is setting herself up to be the next leader.

WTF are you talking about? It's pretty hilarious that you speak with such certainty as if everything you say was a cast-iron fact and then come out with rubbish like this.

Also Jamba he voted against Iraq, tuition fees, PFIs etc which in the eyes of most is a GOOD thing

Exactly, he's proved to be on the right side of most of these issues, and also public opinion, so trying to paint this as disloyal is pretty silly. If his opponents are trying to use his past rebellions as a justification for their own, then they need to demonstrate that they're on the right side of the argument, and on most of the flagship Corbyn policies they can't as he has overwhelming support within the party on these issues and broad public support.

I dont think there is much disagreement that the PLP is doing an orchestrated campaign to get rid of him and what is worse is that they have decided to not use the ballot box/democracy and they are preared to kill the party to get to the leader. Still that is all Corbyns fault isnt it
Would the abilities be so so charitable if militants were doing this to an elected leader?
Its hard to defend or admire this

Watching JC's speech at the moment. Lots of predictable soundbites about what is wrong but yet no actual policies.

that is so unlike other politicians who normally have such well crafted and detailed policies- has he said he has a pkan yet and it will be a great one :Wink:

One of the strange things about opposition is that if they come up with good policies the govt just steal them so they have to -whatever the hue- just oppose and spout aspirational pish to get votes

Light in detail full of hope - greenest ever government for example

they all do it - hell even the givt - I will get the best deal for the UK - superb what is that - as i said i will get the best deal for Britain - its ot in any sense an answer to a policy

Watching JC's speech at the moment. Lots of predictable soundbites about what is wrong but yet no actual policies.

?

Raising Corporation Tax to pay for free higher education
Re-nationalising the Railways
Taking over failing social care homes.
Setting up of national and regional investment banks
Tariff free access to the single market.
Proper funding of local authorities

They all sound like policies to me. Maybe he should have said he wants 'Red white and blue socialism', or 'Labour means labour'. Would that have been better?

With his organisational and leadership skills the railways and care homes would be in very safe hands.

Tariff fee access to Europe - easy and no conflict with FoM so no worries about the muddle there.

Lets watch the polls bounce over the weekend. Go Jezza, you are on a role.

who could have predicted that politically neutral THM was disparaging about Corbyn?

In breaking news i still dont like Tories

@dazh, they all came after i posted. He just took a very long time telling us all how unfair the world is before finally getting to some content.

'Proper funding of local authorities' is also not a policy. It could mean anything from 0%GDP and running everything from central govt to 90%GDP and localising everything.

Your immediate assessment proved remarkable accurate Andy.

This relaunch stuff is tricky isn't it?

Still it's not about the individual, good leaders surround themselves with smarter people with appropriate skills and know how to energise and motivate them......

Dazh how can saying I have a "gut feel" be presenting something as "cast iron fact"

A few thoughts

1) Raising Corporation Tax to pay for free higher education
2) Re-nationalising the Railways
3) Taking over failing social care homes.
4) Setting up of national and regional investment banks
5) Tariff free access to the single market.
6) Proper funding of local authorities

1) numbers won't add up - see 6)
2) massive increase in govenrment spending, more strikes, higher fares (how else will investment be paid for unless its even more borrowing). Notion that "profits" will pay is ridiculous, look at numbers
3) another massive increase in costs and borrowing
4) German state owned investment banks where the worst European offenders in US subprime crises. A combination of state and bank is about the worst possible
5) not possible without freedom of movement (allegdly). See 1) if in the single market Corporations will move to Ireland to avoid higher taxes. In any case Corbyn can't do anything about that as it's the current Government who will decide. They may even deliver substantially tariff free access without the other freedoms which will help with tax avoidance issues.
6) Even more borrowing

All of this is classic Corbyn, the Government can pay for everything. Borrowing through the roof and the UK bust just like the Southern Europeans

.. and sooner or later you run out of other people's money.

... and you end up with people queuing because there is a rumour that the shop might have toilet paper this week:

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Based on what I have seen and a gut feel Baroness Shakrabati is setting herself up to be the next leader.

WTFare you talking about? It's pretty hilarious that you speak with such certainty as if everything you say was a cast-iron fact and then come out with rubbish like this.

I agree everyone knows it's going to be Lady Nugee

Raising Corporation Tax to pay for free higher education
Re-nationalising the Railways
Taking over failing social care homes.
Setting up of national and regional investment banks
Tariff free access to the single market.
Proper funding of local authorities

You missed out nationalising GPs and dentists, got to get the private sector out of the NHS

[I]Now of course it could be totally partisan but Telegragph is reporting that a number of Labour MPs are planning to resign this year and are deliberately timing their resignations so there is a steady stream. By-election after by-election. [/I]

Got to say that my first thought when I say the recent chap going to the V&A (after the Sellafield one)) is that a lot of them don't see a future as an MP at the next GE (whether its' due to lack of votes or boundary changes I've no idea) so are getting out early - I don't believe it's to directly embarrass Corbin though.

they all came after i posted. He just took a very long time telling us all how unfair the world is before finally getting to some content.

So first you criticise for lack of policy detail, then when he provides some you criticise him for not delivering it fast enough? Also he's the leader of a party which was founded to make the UK a fairer place, so it's reasonable to expect he might talk about that at some point.

We have heard him say that a million times before (inequality ratioanle etc). He could cover what he needs too in 2 or 3 sentences. IMO he is used to preaching to the converted who turn up at rallies to have someone tell them what they already believe to be true. That way they feel good about themselves.

The Investment bank is £250bn of borrowing alone plus another £250bn in guarantees for the matching private loans. Isn't it funny that PFI is derided but Corbyn and McDonnell expect half the money for their Investment Bank to come from the private sector. Oopps.

Form a response on Jezza's ****ter

Stella Creasy to Paul Mason: "It's nice to come to a Labour conference and hear a Marxist approach. And by that I mean Groucho." #Fab17

Mason has lost the lot post Newsnight

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Mason has lost the lot post Newsnight

When was he on, did watch last week ? Clips I saw of QT he was his usual self.

QT this week - he was crap. I "understand" that he was a stand-in for Owen Jones today at Jezza's conference.

I can't see that. After initially being a supporter, Owen Jones has had nothing to do with 'the revolution' for quite some time.

He's been the subject of prolific and vitriolic abuse from the Momentum mob for having the affrontery to point out that the emperor's not actually wearing any clothes

I read it this morning binners, can't recall where and watching rugby now. Will try and find link later.

I am sure it's a small thing now despite being a big thing crowed over and lambasted a few days ago in this thread, but somewhat awkwardly according to the Indy, even 47% of [i]tories [/i]are supporting the ludicrous idea of capping maximum wages at 20x the least paid person in large companies with government contracts.

[url= http://http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/majority-of-public-support-jeremy-corbyn-s-plans-to-cap-bosses-salaries-poll-finds-a7527381.html ]When will this madman come up with an idea that is popular with voters, eh? [/url]

As for strengthening the social/residential/nursing care sector instead of denying the crisis and then blaming GP's, that sort of policy idea will never take off with doctors who have nothing to gain from it. Oh, except it is just what they are asking for too. Honestly, you couldn't make it up...

Capping wages? Nice idea.

Now, about your curtain allowance. Oh, and your monthly shirt allowance. Etc.

Unworkable.

And yet however unworkable this insane idea is strangely popular. Even with conservative voters.
This wouldn't be the first unworkable idea on either team to gain traction. We are reminded that we need policies and these policies need to be vote winners first and foremost. We know from many elections experience, and increasingly these days that workable policies don't win elections on their own. Popular ones do though.

Now, about your curtain allowance. Oh, and your monthly shirt allowance. Etc.

So the response to an idea that has massive support is that the rich are so good at working their way around the system that there's no point in trying? Obviously the proles should just bloody know their place. It's such a ridiculous justification that it beggars belief.

QT this week - he was crap.

And yet judging from the applause he received from the audience his views seemed to be the most popular of anyone on the panel. I often despair at QT audiences, but whether you like them or not they're a bloody good barometer of public opinion, and one thing that's clear is that populists/radicals on both sides of the spectrum are far more popular than those of the usual party drones.

@julian - capping wages to a multiple will lead to less tax revenue or more likely all the lower paid jobs being outsourced so they don't count in the calculation.

Thought provoking blog/speech from Stella Casey at today's Fabian Society Conference

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/stella-creasy/stella-creasy-fabian-society_b_14169866.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

It's such a ridiculous justification

Wasn't a justification, ridiculous or otherwise. Just an illustration of what would probably happen.

He's just not a leader of a country. End of story.

Jamba, that's not my point. In a sense I agree with you and cfh, humans are far too self interested to let a rule like this get in the way.
Like you my first idea for circumventing this was to subcontract out the lower paid jobs rather than bumping up salaries with 'allowances' (sorry Flashy!).

The point you are both missing or perhaps avoiding is that there are arguments about workability and arguments about electability or popularity. Here is yet another example of an idea that chimes with public opinion (even conservative voters who are 47% in favour, 13% undecided and 40% against) and yet the echo chamber of this thread insists the Labour Party led by JC has no ideas and no policy.

What a sad bunch you lot are!

Still arguing over somebody that will never/will ever lead the UK.

Move on! Show some progress! Be pro-active!