Jeremy Corbyn

It would be very difficult to be less impressive than JC from my perspective since you ask, so at least it would be movement in the right direction.

I agree with Headfirst

When 172 people you're supposed lead vote against you in a vote of no confidence and only 40 vote for you it means most of the people you're supposed to lead think you're shit at leading.

He is actually leader of a party with about half a million members.

The clue is in the job title........"Labour Party Leader".

- let's have an unimpressive party leader

That wish has already been granted!

Mol - you really need to ask. As 5th noted, if the bulk of people you are supposed to be leading have no confidence in you, that is a bit of a giveaway

So Ernie, what do you make of the idea that Corbyn was close to packing it in?

But how many of the 1/2 million support him? We will find out soon. He may well increase his percentage of those who can be bothered to vote, but to win a general election they need more than the core vote. Many, many more

As ernie notes he is the leader of the party if they cannot follow them then they need to leave.
He is not just the PLP party leader

Far better to snipe from the sidelines, safely ensconced in your echo chamber of fellow travelers!

Think of the epitaph:

[b]Thatcher[/b]: Ended cold war, liberated Falklands, screwed miners, freed Mandela[url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/margaret-thatcher/11403728/Margaret-Thatchers-secret-campaign-to-end-apartheid.html ]*[/url]

[b]Blair[/b]: Minimum wage, million kids out of poverty, brought peace to NI, prevented genocide in Kosovo and Sierra Leone, Toppled Saddam

[b]Corbyn[/b]: Carried a few placards

As ernie notes he is the leader of the party if they cannot follow them then they need to leave.

When 172 people you're supposed lead vote against you in a vote of no confidence and only 40 vote for you it means most of the people you're supposed to lead [s]think you're shit at leading[/s] are concerned that they may lose out on some of the cushy perks offered by their neo-liberal agenda

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Angela Eagle is not best pleased with the news that Jeremy can stand.

Newsnight is quite illuminating in a rather unpleasant way esp in Wallasay

And heres Paul Davies back from the past with some convoluted logic. When did we last hear this!?!

molgrips - Member
I wish someone would explain what that actually means, with specifics.

According to the political editor of The New Statesman, Corbyn left tonight's NEC meeting before the vote on the cut off point for new members to vote. He didn't want to have a say on, or vote if all Labour members could vote in the leadership election. There are 100,000 new members now not eligible to vote unless they - and anyone else, including non members - pay £25. The Labour website states that when you become a member you will be eligible to vote in leadership contests. What kind of message does that send?

So Ernie, what do you make of the idea that Corbyn was close to packing it in?

Not a lot.

I have just seen footage of him coming out of the NEC meeting and talking to reporters I have to say that I was genuinely surprised to see just how happy he appeared. He had the warm smile of a very happy relieved person.

I thought to myself "he really does want to be leader, he is relishing fighting the next ballot, he's clearly very committed". Up to that point I had niggling doubts.

jimw - Member
Corbyn Impressive? Really?!?

Angela is up for a fight judging by this Newsnight performance

Not pulling her punches so far

Yes you did...

@footflaps - No I did not, I used the words endemic and rife (in fact I typed them in my original post and then deleted them). Neither is the same as overrun. Corbyn's covered it up with his three different reports kicking it further down the road in the hope of burying it. He's failed and the Home Affairs Committee have called him back for being less than truthful about associating with a known holocaust denier. Thats diplomatic language for telling lies. I spent 90 minutes listening to him being evasive last time, seems he was outright lying about specific facts. Lets see how it goes next time.

Corbyn didn't make the (crazy) party voting rules. The broader Labour movement did that and along with the MPs who nominated him originally "just for the craic" (broaden the debate 😐 ) prove its the whole outfit which has become unfot to govern

it's definitely looking like the blairites are pretty ****ing corrupt.. and jamba is getting his smear on

semms that no-one wants to see the hedgefunds blowing like tumbleweeds 🙁

teamhurtmore - Member

Mol - you really need to ask. As 5th noted, if the bulk of people you are supposed to be leading have no confidence in you, that is a bit of a giveaway

To be confirmed.

He's the leader of the Labour Party, which includes the PLP. That's a few million, not 170 or so.

True and we shall see the result of that one. But mol seemed to be struggling to find any evidence so far...

Actually - the Dallas coverage now is more disturbing, especially with Trump on the sidelines

aye, I wouldn't be willing to put any money on it..

Why not? Jezza's a shoe in isn't he?

Dunno is the answer to that. I'm not really willing to predict anything in politics these days!

But mol seemed to be struggling to find any evidence so far...

No, molegrips asked why Corbyn isn't considered leadership material by some people. All you have done is repeated what molegrips already knew with regards to the blairite coup.

The fact that Corbyn came from a 500-1 outsider to win the Labour leadership election by a bigger margin than anyone else in history, and more than all the other candidates put together, suggests that he might indeed have some leadership qualities.

Angela Eagle btw came 4th in the deputy leader election, which by any standard is pisspoor - she was expected to do better than that.

No, molegrips asked why Corbyn isn't considered leadership material by some people. All you have done is repeated what molegrips already knew....

Odd to need to ask then? Very odd....

I spent 90 minutes listening to him being evasive last time, seems he was outright lying about specific facts. Lets see how it goes next time.

it's the long version of the 2020 Conservative Party political broadcast

What I meant was - what would a true leader actually specifically be doing right now?

Clearly not much is coming out of the Labour Party currently, but the fact they are spending all their energy on infighting isn't really Corbyn's fault is it?

Clearly not much is coming out of the Labour Party currently, but the fact they are spending all their energy on infighting isn't really Corbyn's fault is it?

Are you not answering your own question?

Odd to need to ask then? Very odd....

What's odd is your inability to answer the question. The very fact that Corbyn will not allow a bunch of discredited Blairites/Brownites/Milibandites bully him, or the rest of the party, shows his leadership qualities.

They have tried every trick in the book including briefing hostile journalists against their own leader and attempting to rig the ballot paper - because they think they lack the "leadership qualities" to even convince their own members.

Oh i see...so looks like we have a new nasty party then doesn't it. (Perhaps we should judge Eagle on how she stands up to a different, and what we had hoped was a long forgotten, type of nastiness. )

Poor old Tories, labour stealing their clothes again.

He's the leader and he isn't controlling his subordinates. Of course it's his fault.

😆

So the MPs are his "subordinates" are they, what do suggest he does.....dock their pay?

This thread is starting to become as funny and as absurd as it was yesterday. I guess it's to expected when people start clutching straws 🙂

He's the leader and he isn't controlling his subordinates. Of course it's his fault.

Hah.. and how would you do that, exactly, o leader?

I do find it curious that, "corbyn being unable to lead" is the main medja theme, rather than "the PLP are dirty backstabbing bastards, and have been since day 1".

Well I don't really, but i'm sure ye get my drift! 😆

Hah.. and how would you do that, exactly, o leader?

The fact is the PLP had a problem. They need to be electable. They need to be able to follow their leader. They need to respect the views of the wider party, but they also need to represent the people who elected them. This last bit seems to get forgotten when the issue of 'democracy' in the party gets raised.

But if I found myself in that position I'd resign

Even if most people had chosen you?

He does have a point. As do they.

Even if most people had chosen you?

If your staff won't work for you how you got the job is irrelevant.

But... If you assume he's trying to dismantle the party, get rid of 170 mps and replace them with his own people to reinvent it as a far left party, then fine. He may get his revolution.

It'll dissappear at the next election though.

Corbym is used to being alone and against his own Party. The current situation is no different to him. I thought he'd be gone after the Scottish elections (my prediction upon his election as Leader) but he shrugged off delivering third place to the Toies and on he goes. I really didn't see him contributing to a Leave result but I'm delighted at the outcome there.

It'll disappear at the next election though

I don't see that happening... The electorate voted for change in the EU referendum and learned a lot about deceit in the process..

I can see them voting for change at the next GE too.. people are sick to death of oxbridge lawyers

This coup has absolutely nothing at all with Corbyn alleged lack of "leadership qualities", he actually has quite a knack at winning people over - that's how he managed to receive 60% of the vote in the leadership contest. That's what frightens them.

His opponents are suggesting that Angela Eagle, ffs, would make a better leader. Her own constituency party has passed a vote in support of Corbyn and she came 4th in her bid to become deputy leader. She clearly has no clout, not even with her own party members. Her performances in TV studios, unlike Corbyn's, are dire. To top it all she dithers. But she is almost certainly easy to manipulate.

Don't forget that Tony Blair's choice for leader was Liz Kendel, clearly someone else with no leadership qualities, but is probably also very easy to manipulate.

I repeat, this has nothing to do with Corbyn's alleged lack of "leadership qualities".

Nor has it anything to do with policies. When right-wingers broke away from the Labour Party to form the SDP in the 80s it was all about policies, nothing else. Primarily 3 specific policies, ie, leaving the EEC, scraping nuclear weapons, and nationalising the banks.

This time there is no argument over policies, not once in recent weeks have the plotters mentioned policies.

This coup is not about leadership qualities nor is it about policies. It is about power. Corbyn believes that politics is about representation, not the personal power of politicians.

This goes completely against the grain of today's career politicians and the whole political elite class. They abhor such a thought. And knowing just how discredited politicians have become in the eyes of the public in recent years it terrifies them.

Crushing Corbyn has become a priority so that they regain normality and maintain the safe predictable status quo with their powers to rule us, rather than to represent us, intact.

They need to respect the views of the wider party, but they also need to represent the people who elected them.

I'd go further their "priority" is to represent the views of those who elected them. Corbyn might have the blessing of the Labour party, but with out the support of the PLP and the millions of labour "voters" who elected them what has he got ? Nothing IMHO, just control because of a rule anomaly. He's not interested in labour voters or the PLP, just his own narrow views, which seem to be shared by a few hundred thousand labour party members.

Here's ............Owen!!!

PMQs should be a hoot today - Dave will be de-mob happy and on the other side will be a "leader" who's followers have issued death threats against, and in one case thrown bricks* through the window of one of his employees office windows.

I expect the party to be right behind Corbyn, the only sound the gentle tap of keys on keyboards as 170 CVs get updated, but perhaps they will cheer the new messiah as he deserves.

*[u]Democratic[/u] bricks comrade - after all we are not like those nasty tories or the vicious Blairite running dog scum so called MPs.

What now for the stalking horse?

teamhurtmore - Member

Here's ............Owen!!!

Yes he thinks he might have made up his mind.

He's going to stand as the candidate with the best "dithering qualities", apparently Angela Eagle is just too decisive.

taxi25 - Member

...I'd go further their "priority" is to represent the views of those who elected them. ...

It would be wonderful if any party thought this way, eg the Tories...