No doubt the PLP will try to humiliate and bully him throughout the campaign.
Unlikely imo. Firstly he has shown that he doesn't respond to bullying, otherwise he would have resigned a long time ago.
Secondly it looks likely that Corbyn will win the ballot, so I'm not convinced that the plotters are prepared to burn all their bridges. I know it's not a widely held belief but I think the majority of the plotters will probably fall into line in time.
And thirdly the actual ballot will take place during Party Conference. Conference will almost certainly be more pro-Corbyn than pro-plotter, so I imagine the plotters won't want the humiliation of a deeply hostile Conference. I actually expect them to say rather nice things about Corbyn.
BTW I use the term "plotters" as I'm reluctant to say the PLP as it doesn't recognise the fact that 20% of the PLP support Corbyn and voted expressing confidence in him.
"The secret NEC vote went 18-14 in the Labour leader's favour following hours of talks."
I'm staggered. The rule wasn't open to much interpretation, it was clear it required contenders to have nominations but not the sitting leader. I'm sure those 14 were doing what they thought best but it's pretty shabby & underhand.
...and poor old JC is stuck in the nightmare for even longer.
...and poor old JC is stuck in the nightmare for even longer.
Sod him. He volunteered, no one forced him to stand in the leadership election.
You can't step up and then bugger off when things get a bit uncomfortable.
That's the Labour party into the wilderness for another 10 - 15 years.
why - it will be a good audition for a government in waiting and old Jezza's might be crap at leading the plp but he's not bad at mobilising new recruits - another million on the way.
Quite an edifying spectacle - they must be proud
Meanwhile....
"He volunteered"
He unenthusiastically volunteered, after DA and JMcD declined, to be the token leftie loser in a futile gesture during the leadership battle. Leadership is not what he signed up for.
The membership have chased him up a big tree and he can't get down.
lets work on the law of averages.. how old is the fella.. will he still be continent in 2020?
"You can't step up and then bugger off when things get a bit uncomfortable."
...he certainly can't.
That's the Labour party into the wilderness for another 10 - 15 years.
Is that 10 - 15 years on top of the one year they have already been in the wilderness?
Or does it include it?
Membership is frozen at six month ago, so new members will not get vote - supporters have two days to register and it is £25.
outofbreath - Member
"You can't step up and then bugger off when things get a bit uncomfortable."...he certainly can't.
OOB, dare I say it, but you may have missed the joke. It was a good one too!
"lets work on the law of averages.. how old is the fella.. will he still be continent in 2020?"
...if you go on averages he'll be dead of old age 4 years into his premiership...
...another thought. Most leaders can use a lost election as a reason to resign. Can JC? I don't think he can. Seems to me unless enough Momentum candidates win in 2020 to nominate an alternative Momentum leadership candidate JC could be stuck in the job well into his 70s.
66 with a new wife... Neither of them signed up to this.
"OOB, dare I say it, but you may have missed the joke. It was a good one too!"
Nope, the emphasis of my reply was on 'he'.
In addition so 16 years.
In addition so 16 years.
Ah, so "the wilderness" means being in a situation where you win elections.
Like the mayoral elections, local elections, and by-elections, of the last 12 months.
I look forward to the next 15 wilderness years in that case.
On the basis that your probably about 12 Ernie i'm sure I remember quite well that the Labour party managed to win some local and by-elections in the 1980s and early 90s (also a time when the party was taken over by navel gazers like MT and such as yourself) - as I said, wilderness.
What chance of the tories calling an election before the labour leadership is settled? Considering what's gone on in the last couple of weeks it's probably inevitable.
This may not be directly relevant to the leadership election but as a left leaning person who has voted Labour regularly in both national and local elections since I was 18 and I am now in my mid 50's it may be relevant longer term.
For as long as Corbyn stays as the leader of the Labour party I will not vote for the party again.
He is simply not considered leadership material by the vast majority of the people I know who have supported labour in the past and that includes my father who has been a member of the party for 20 years.
I am aware of the by-election results etc.etc. but what has happened since the PLP have voted no confidence in him has shown he is not capable of keeping up an effective opposition.
Have I got this right
If I sign up tomorrow as a £25 supporter, I get to vote in the leadership election... But If I joined three months ago as a full member, for £48, I don't
😳
Used be to £3 a pop didn't it ?
Bloody socialists.
"If I sign up tomorrow as a £25 supporter, I get to vote in the leadership election... But If I joined three months ago as a full member, for £48, I don't"
Corbynomics.
Doubt Corbyn was behind the decision.
£25 a pop! Be interesting to see how many sign up.
When is the vote?
[quote=jimw ]This may not be directly relevant to the leadership election but as a left leaning person who has voted Labour regularly in both national and local elections since I was 18 and I am now in my mid 50's it may be relevant longer term.
For as long as Corbyn stays as the leader of the Labour party I will not vote for the party again.
But as a left-leaning Labour voter you'd vote for those MPs who voted for Trident, voted for the Iraq war and did not oppose the Tory welfare cuts?
What's left wing about not voting for trident? The ussr had loads as does China. Comrade.
The Labour Conference is going to be toxic, delegates booing any MP who didn't vote for Corbyn, Neil Kinnock digging out his Militant speech. The Union kingmakers deciding if they want to add further comedy etc etc
SDP mark 2 almost a certainty if Corbyn wins again and some of the Unions decide to get off the bus and switch their money
But as a left-leaning Labour voter you'd vote for those MPs who voted for Trident, voted for the Iraq war and did not oppose the Tory welfare cuts?
Surely you would expect your MP to vote in accordance with democratically agreed party policy?
such as party policy on trident, and party policy that all fiscal policies needed to be fully funded.
Any chance you could come up with an original thought? 😆 Now i'm all for legitimate reasons to oppose him, there are many. But something that's repeated constantly on the tele every 2 minutes doesn't cut the mustard, try again please! 🙂jimw - MemberHe is simply not considered leadership material
What's left wing about not voting for trident? The ussr had loads as does China. Comrade.
they are the people's missiles, it makes all the difference
I speak as I see it regarding the quality of leadership,displayed, or not, over the past few days.
And Scotroutes, I was against the Iraq war and do not wish to see Trident renewed, but that doesn't change his character, the lack of charisma perhaps. That is the problem, not the policies in my view.
I am sorry if that causes you to ridicule me-that's your problem not mine.
Nipper99 - MemberOn the basis that your probably about 12 Ernie
Well I had no idea it was that obvious.
Choice is Eagle or Corbyn. Corbyn is easily the more impressive of the 2.
Your position is illogical.
Corbyn Impressive? Really?!?
I am speaking as what might be considered a floating voter, certainly a tactical voter. Surely the Labour party needs people like me to vote for them if they are to succeed.
[quote=jimw ]I speak as I see it regarding the quality of leadership,displayed, or not, over the past few days.
And Scotroutes, I was against the Iraq war and do not wish to see Trident renewed, but that doesn't change his charachter. That is the problem, not the policies in my view.
I am sorry if that causes you to ridicule me-that's your problem not mine.
It's not ridicule, it's a question. Would you prefer Eagle as PM - someone who voted contrary to your wishes on those two policies?
Pragmatically, Scotroutes-yes, as she, of the two is more likely to succeed against the Tories in my view, which is the most important thing.
Surely the Labour party needs people like me to vote for them if they are to succeed.
Don't be silly. It's far more important to be a "conviction politician" and praise the economic miracle of Venezuela. Winning general elections, being in a position of power and able to actually do anything is utterly irrelevant.
"Choice is Eagle or Corbyn. Corbyn is easily the more impressive of the 2."Corbyn Impressive? Really?!?
Compared to the competition yes. Although obviously you are impressed by Angela Eagle, the ditherer with no plan and a tendency to cry.
And look how Boris Johnson, who unlike Corbyn desperately wanted on a personal level to become party leader and prime minister, reacted when a couple of people ganged up on him - he immediately threw in the towel at the first opportunity. So much for his adoring fans.
I was against the Iraq war and do not wish to see Trident renewed, but that doesn't change his charachter
True but most of our were probably labouring over the misconception that you voted on policies and not character
BoJO is a hell of character why not give him a go now?
He is simply not considered leadership material
I wish someone would explain what that actually means, with specifics.
Who said I am impressed with Angela Eagle? All I said is that of the two she is more impressive, not the same thing at all.
Surely Eagle is just first on the dancefloor and others will take to the floor shortly, I bloody well hope so!
Andy Burnham would be the best mover and shaker, appealing to core Labour voters but also potentially attracting new ones so Labour could actually be electable again.
"Don't be silly. It's far more important to be a "conviction politician" and praise the economic miracle of Venezuela. Winning general elections, being in a position of power and able to actually do anything is utterly irrelevant."
Power is worse than irrelevant, it's dangerous. Being the one in the hotseat making real decisions with a finite budget makes you really unpopular. Look at the Liberals. Look at the Tories!
the ditherer with no plan and a tendency to cry.
trained by Gordon Brown then
And look how Boris Johnson, who unlike Corbyn desperately wanted on a personal level to become party leader and prime minister, reacted when a couple of people ganged up on him - he immediately threw in the towel at the first opportunity.
smart money thinks he decided he wasn't going to win and therefore decided not to run leaving it open for him to try again in the future
anyway based on the Euro's I'm going for Owen Smith as the next leader of Labour as he is Welsh
Being the one in the hotseat making real decisions with a finite budget makes you really unpopular.
True. Far better to snipe from the sidelines, safely ensconced in your echo chamber of fellow travelers! 🙂
I wish someone would explain what that actually means, with specifics.
OK, I'll have a bash. When 172 people you're supposed lead vote against you in a vote of no confidence and only 40 vote for you it means most of the people you're supposed to lead think you're shit at leading.
jimw - MemberWho said I am impressed with Angela Eagle? All I said is that of the two she is more impressive, not the same thing at all.
Well you did put "?!?" when it was suggested that Corbyn was more impressive than Angela Eagle which might have led some people to think that Eagle was way more impressive.
But anyway you are not impressed with Angela Eagle, you just want her to be party leader. That's fair enough - let's have an unimpressive party leader.
