Jeremy Corbyn

Yougov poll of Unite, Unison, GMB, USDAW and CWU union members:

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[i]'Cause they've got high hopes, they've got, high hopes, they've got high apple pie in the sky hopes... [/i]

jambalaya - Member

but Local Party vote of no-confidence ... means nothing except she may not be reselected in 2020.

So nothing serious then. The woman who wishes to be Labour Party leader might not have a parliamentary seat in four years time, I can't see a problem with that. I'm sure she's got it all worked out.

jezza is dug in like an Alabama tick.
{@binners, so no, I've not bet}
There isn't a crowbar long enough to prise the SWP parasites out of the labour movement. They've worked the constitution and the reach of the NEC as far as they can. If the SWP were viable on their own, they would have made a democratic footprint in the sand. Even if it were four-toed. But they cant, they cant get traction without an incumbent vehicle. And rightly so.

As it is, they've hijacked a social democratic centrist party to slingshot themselves, around Jupiter, give a tap to Juno's head, knock the Hubble telescope out of focus, and re-enter orbit somewhere over Islington to slam into Victoria Street just in time to send Labour into political oblivion for another 30 years.

binners - Member
...Angela Eagle was then interviewed and decided to talk about Europe and how it should be addressed. You know.... actual policies...

Unfortunately for her there's now a list up on how she has actually voted on those issues. It doesn't match, and the party members know it.

But Stoner.. democracy is infallible, isn't it?

*cross-comment from the other thread*

I have nothing to add

but just wanted to copy and paste something

in a lolitical thread

democracy is infallible

I'm a libertarian, grips.
Politics* is innately fallible 🙂

*democracy is not tech politics but you know what I mean 🙂

I did lol

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There isn't a crowbar long enough to prise the SWP parasites out of the labour movement. They've worked the constitution and the reach of the NEX as far as they can. If the SWP were viable on their own, they would have made a democratic footprint in the sand. Even if it were four-toed.

As it is, they've hijacked a social democratic centrist party to slingshot themselves, around Jupiter, give a tap to Juno's head, knock the Hubble telescope out of focus, and re-enter orbit somewhere over Islington into ready to slam into Victoria Street just in time to send Labour into political oblivion for another 30 years.

Well my, in that case they've certainty been very busy! Corbyn won 59.5% of 422,664 votes cast. I had no idea the SWP had that many members. They've now got more members than the Tory Party and LibDems put together.

Ernest, Ernest, [s]Enrest.[/s], Ernest*

Corbyn won 59.5% of 422,664 votes cast.

That we were all socialists that voted for Jeremy, one might crow.

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Mind you, he's got a terribly good chance of wining next time too. 😉

>>* it's late

Theresa May is on Newsnight talking about corporate reform to make society more equal. Whether she actually means it or not, time will tell

Jeremy Corbyn and his acolytes are concentrating their efforts on unseating Angela Eagle from her parliamentary seat in 4 years time for disloyalty. Because that's really what's important right now.

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I'm sure it's playing really really well with the grown ups

I love you binners.
And that's saying something for a northerner 🙂

That were we all socialists who voted for Jeremy, one might crow.

I see. So the 251,417 votes which Corbyn recieved in the leadership election was made up of SWP members (although all known SWP members were barred from voting) and Daily Telegraph readers.

And there was me thinking that any SWP members and Daily Telegraph readers who were included in the totals were insignificant.

So anyway, you're claiming the Labour Party has also been "hijacked" by Daily Telegraph readers. Interesting. Although I have to say, not very convincing imo.

Has anyone blamed the Telegraph yet?

Oh. I see.

Has anyone blamed the Telegraph yet?

Oh this is fun 🙂

This thread gets more absurd by the minute. Stoner wades in accusing the SWP of hijacking the Labour Party, I point out that Corbyn received over a quarter of a million votes - rather more than the total SWP membership, he retaliates by suggesting that other "socialists" were involved, and CFH completely misses the point.

EDIT : And binners with his incessant ranting behaves like a politically immature sixth former, and in an act of supreme irony, accuses others of 6th form common room politics!

So much for the Tories lurching to the Right. May parks her bus in the middle of Miilibands spot on D1 while she waits for her new spot to be cleared while, as Baroness Jowell claimed on Newsnight, Jezza is taking the oppo in a direction that the British public don't want to go...

...interesting to watch

CFH completely misses the point

Immitation is the sincerest form of flattery Ernie 😉

Do you think Eagle realises she's just cannon fodder before the real battle for the Labour party?

So Jowell can vote May then?

What is the point of Labour standing so close to the Tories that they are indistinguishable?

Power ?

Dragon. I doubt it. But who knows in the current tipsy turvy world of politics.

I concede that [i]even among members[/i] there was a (as good as) majority in favour Jezza (49%), that majority grew through registered members (84 %) and affiliated members (58%) many of whom do not hold the same tenets of the Labour Party.

Notwithstanding the various arseholes such as myself throwing our votes in the ring for the price of a pint, it's apparent that those that back Jeremy, DO NOT back the Labour Party. Jezza's lot are for different ideology, and rather than ride on the back of an incumbent, they should define their politic and seize what votes they deserve.

It's obtuse to claim that the Labour Party are both SDP and SWP in outlook. It's time for a split to preserve one or the other, and it's time for the SWP to stand on their own two feet, fight for themselves, rather than freeload.

They get power and roll out left wing policies?

Do you think Eagle realises she's just cannon fodder before the real battle for the Labour party?

Cannon fodder suggests an endless supply of expendable casualties. If there's one thing the plotters are lacking it's willing volunteers to go over the top.

And a plan.

That's two things then.

@Stoner my 2p is that the Labour Party has been hijacked by a combination of SWP and Momentum - in many cases it being the same thing as a party within a party is not allowed.

Theresa May is on Newsnight talking about corporate reform to make society more equal. Whether she actually means it or not, time will tell

What a surprise Tory leader kicking ball into an open goal vacated by Labour's lurch to fhe left and the collapse of the LibDems.

BTW Faisal Islam today said the Tories "were Western democracy's most successful election winning machine" now where have I heard that before ?

Angela Eagle said today that Cornyn wanted immediate trigger of Article 50 so if there was a HE with him as Leader that would be another strange twist, a Labour Party campaigning for immediate Brexit ? Does he have a plan we could see 😉

[quote=Stoner ]It's obtuse to claim that the Labour Party are both SDP and SWP in outlook. It's time for a split to preserve one or the other,Which is it? The current party either [i]does[/i] have both SDP and SWP outlooks [i]or[/i] there is no need for a split

That's two things then.

I did LOL, and there's now rum & snot on the keyboard.

Which is it? The current party either does have both SDP and SWP outlooks or there is no need for a split

too much rum, Onion. Cannot compute.

I concede that even among members there was a (as good as) majority in favour Jezza (49%), that majority grew through registered members (84 %) and affiliated members (58%) many of whom do not hold the same tenets of the Labour Party.

Let's add some context to that statement.

The total amount of votes Corbyn got from registered supporters (I know that's what you meant) was 41,217. The total vote he got from everyone was 251,417.

So even if all registered supporters who voted for Corbyn were either SWP members or Tories their affect on the result was not significant.

It weren't them what won it.

Ernie - I wouldn't disagree for a second. Corbyn clearly has overwhelming support from party members.

Mind you, Nigel Farage had overwhelming support from his party members too, and what good did that do them at the last general Election?

Do you think Eagle realises she's just cannon fodder before the real battle for the Labour party?

Labour doesn't remember the decent tradition of the stalking horse, an honourable trade, Frank Field would have been ideal

Mind you, Nigel Farage had overwhelming support from his party members too, and what good did that do them at the last general Election?

Not a lot because no matter who the UKIP leader is people tend not to vote for UKIP.

It is generally accepted that Nigel Farage was UKIP's greatest asset. Replacing him wouldn't have helped them.

EDIT : Actually I withdraw that first comment - having Nigel Farage as leader did help UKIP, there's no doubt about that imo.

agreed Stoner....

Teamhurtmore - Member 
I wish Corbyn would form a real left wing party. [b]He has a cat in bells chance of moving the LP significantly from the centre ground.[/b]

Let's have a genuine socialist party and then we can see how much genuine support there is and what impact it can make.

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But it wouldn't have been as much fun

Labour doesn't remember the decent tradition of the stalking horse, an honourable trade, Frank Field would have been ideal

Labour are just a bit sh*t at all this coup stuff. They should have done it to Blair when they realised he's gone mad, just like the Tories did to Maggie. And right now the Labour party look like they couldn't organise a p*ss up in a brewery. Problem is the Unions and too many people involved, look at the Unions right now moaning at wanting to wait till a week Tuesday till the NEC meet to decide what happens next, quick acting they aren't!

Jeremy Corbyn and his acolytes are concentrating their efforts on unseating Angela Eagle from her parliamentary seat in 4 years time for disloyalty

Hold on, hold on.

Is there any evidence Corbyn and his colleagues are actually doing this?

As far as I'm aware it's the local party that's doing it. Who aren't controlled by Corbyn. Don't get all tabloid on us binners.

Interesting report here in the Daily Telegraph :

[url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/11/angela-eagle-abandoned-by-media-in-favour-of-andrea-leadsom/ ]Angela Eagle urges voters to join Labour and help her oust Jeremy Corbyn before an election[/url]

[b][i] I believe I can. I’m not a Blairite. I’m not a Brownite. I’m not a Corbynista. I am my own woman. A strong Labour woman.” [/i][/b]

That's not a comment which the Daily Telegraph agrees with. From an article written in the Daily Telegraph when Angela Eagle was a Labour minister :

[b][i]The Brownite forces were commanded by Angela Eagle, a junior Treasury minister who failed to live up to her name. This was an Eagle which could not fly, and could only flap her wings in a despondent fashion as she trotted out the evasive Brownite reaction to the economic crisis: "It is undoubtedly caused by global events originating outside our borders." [/i][/b]

[url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/3419130/Commons-sketch-Brownite-troops-facing-their-Stalingrad.html ]Commons sketch: Brownite troops facing their Stalingrad[/url]

BTW the article continues with :

[i] Unfortunately for Miss Eagle, Mr Cable opened by quoting what she had said as recently as 2 April, when she accused the Liberal Democrats of tabling a motion which read "like the storyboard for Apocalypse Now, or perhaps even Bleak House", suggesting as it did that "we are facing an 'extreme bubble in the housing market' and the 'risk of recession'."

With what scorn Miss Eagle dismissed those fears: [b]"Fortunately for all of us...that colourful and lurid fiction has no real bearing on the macro-economic reality."[/b] [/i]

I believe I can. I’m not a Blairite. I’m not a Brownite. I’m not a Corbynista. I am my own woman. A strong Labour woman.”

Imagine if a bloke had said this and replaced "woman" with "man". How utterly droll.

To be fair, I could see Ed Milliband saying it.

it's apparent that those that back the Parliamentary Labour Party, DO NOT back the leader.

FTFY

I wonder what may have been if people had just got behind him?

Angela Eagle - voted for Trident, voted for the Iraq war and did not oppose the Tory welfare cuts. She's a typical neo-liberal politician and I suggest these are decisions that the new wave of Labour supporters do not approve of and is why Corby will go down fighting. He was voted in based on a different set of values.

Morning comrades!

Are the tractor production figures in yet?

Are the tractor production figures in yet?

Labour are going to adopt the Green Party agricultural policies and so tractors, red diesel etc are banned.

binners - Member
Morning comrades!

Are the tractor production figures in yet?

No, but the elimination figures for the pesky underclass are on target.

Eagle was just on BBC Breakfast now in a bit of a strop. Deeply unimpressive stuff. Surely this is just a stalking horse campaign, whether she realises this or not?

If so, it won't achieve its aims as JC is refusing to go quietly. I can't see any option for the NEC which doesn't end up splitting the party.

@martinhutch - I agree. Very stroppy about being challenged about her previous voting habits. I.e. wasn't able to confidently defend her previous decisions and wanted to brush over them. Not very good imo.

Tractor production is up, every thing is awesome and you my dear leader are the best there ever will be....

So on the news this morning the 2 sides of the labour party are getting the lawyers in, and preparing to fight it out in the courts, like rats in a sack.

Its a bloody good job there's nothing important going on that might require an effective opposition. Maybe that requirement may be even more pressing than it was this time yesterday now the Tories have decided to forgo the arguing and get on with doing what they do.

No... we won't be doing that. We'll be setting about each other instead! And its going to drag on for the forceable future. Theresa May must think all her birthdays and christmases have come at once Because whatever she decides to do, she'll be doing it unencumbered by anything as inconvenient as an opposition. Which is handy.

Everyone should perhaps sit down and read this....

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Its funny, yet not. The last time the Militant lefties hijacked the Labour party led to 18 years in the political wilderness, where the Tories got to do what they liked. What is it they say about those who don't learn from history?