Whilst I agree that Dianne wouldn't by my first choice for ... anything - especially appearing on TV.
I would still rather have her than Hunt, Gove, May, Morgan, etc - and that's what we have to focus on.
I guess she must be doing something right in her constituency though - since 1987!
Dianne Abbot was a regular on "This Week" and was an excellent media commentator. I can't imagine her taking on Health though - that's a big job.
Jeremy has a democratic mandate
I know be it brexit or Corbyn one really should not let the oiks decide.
We upper middle class aspirational types are the true beating heart f socialism and we should keep those little people in their places
I have to say being a leader and saying look the MAJORITY of the party support me is a reasonable point to make
Its a better message than the teenage tantrum PLP you cannot make me and I will force you to it my way via the medium of being the most stroppy in the room and being a complete arse if you just give up for an easy life
I used to not mind Dianne Abbott but her decision over her son/education and her racist/sexist defence of it means I have no respect for her at all
Jesus even Give sent his son to a state school and I think JC divorced his wife over this issue.
😆"Its nothing to do with the meeja."
Jambalaya; if you're going to post bollocks on here, then at least follow Binners' example and make it amusing. Binners very skillfully manages to craft a deluded, blinkered and utterly clueless rant so well, that the less intelligent might actually think he's being serious! [i]That's[/i] how to post bollocks on an internet forum.
Getting back to the serious, grown up stuff; there needs to be a schism within Labour, it's been coming for some time now. Blair managed to turn a party traditionally of the Left, into a vehicle to gain personal power, influence and wealth. In the Iron Lady's own words, Blair and New Labour were her 'greatest achievement'. Blair filled Labour with sycophants and acolytes, which led to Labour's abandonment of their traditional core voters. And you won't believe what happened next. With Britain facing an inevitable social and economic decline, as it's former empire evaporated along with it's ability to actually make anything, the only way to actually stop the slide downwards, is for a restoration of the political balance. We need an effective Left to counter and control the Right. Currently we have a very right wing party (Tory), a pretty useless and redundant right-wing party (LibDem), and a fading and increasingly irrelevant right-wing Labour party. And bugger all real alternative choice. The best thing that can happen is for Labour to slplit, the right-wingers forming their own party or joining the other two, and for Labour to form alliances with the Greens, Plaid Cymru and the SNP. Which could never happen with a Labour party under a right-winger. Whatever you may think of Corbyn, he is currently one of the only people who can actually try to drag Labour back where it should be, on the Left. There's no point in simply appealing to the centre ground in order to win an election, as there is no centre ground any more. Britain is a pretty right-wing nation and creeping ever further in that direction.
Binners; I particularly liked the 'bargain basement Lenin' bit. Invoking the spirit of Russel Brand was the icing on an already absurd cake. 😀
Binners very skillfully manages to craft a deluded, blinkered and utterly clueless rant so well, that the less intelligent might actually think he's being serious! That's how to post bollocks on an internet forum.
Its a fair cop guv. I think thats the nicest thing anyones ever said to me 😀
You're welcome. I think Jamba actually believes the drivel he posts, though. 😯
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yes I get that but bbc and itv are pretty straight imo, certainly more balanced/agenda free than written
Is that true or were you told it by the BBC?
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I think the trying to tell with jamby is all thats left as he passed the shore of reason and fact some time ago.
I do like the way he says something then immediately contradicts himself though. they are my favourite posts
There's no point in simply appealing to the centre ground in order to win an election, as there is no centre ground any more.
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Let me guess, the Tories sold it all off?
"I do like the way he says something then immediately contradicts himself though. they are my favourite posts"
I'm amazed at the way he totally ignores any questions put to him, and goes 'silent' when proven wrong about anything (which is very often). I must say I initially thought that the 'bullying' of him was uncalled for, but have come to the point where I have changed my mind on that.
I think he and several others on here must be in a situation where they either exist in a tiny bubble of like-minded people, or simply have very little social interaction indeed, other than online, because such behaviour is extremely rare in 'real life'; someone will always call you out if you spout bollocks. Strikes me that Jamba and others simply cannot handle being challenged, they have no mechanism to react when other posit differing opinions/state actual facts.
"Let me guess, the Tories sold it all off?"
It got rebranded; it's now called 'Apathy'.
Getting back to the serious, grown up stuff
see below*
Currently we have a very right wing party (Tory), a pretty useless and redundant right-wing party (LibDem), and a fading and increasingly irrelevant right-wing Labour party.
*Clod; if you're going to post bollocks on here, then at least follow Binners' example and make it amusing. Binners very skillfully manages to craft a deluded, blinkered and utterly clueless rant so well, that the less intelligent might actually think he's being serious! That's how to post bollocks on an internet forum.
Poor old eagle - her moment in the spotlight overshadowed by the Tory ladies. And guess which bit the biased meejia made the headline?
Anyone got a link to the painful Eagle presser?
"BBC? Preston? Crick? Anyone? *sobs* Anyone?"
Was on the BBC I think although I couldn't be bothered to listen to it !
[url= http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36761370 ]Linky[/url]
I knew that one day I'd become a sort of benchmark for something. And if talking bollocks is that something, then so be it! I'd like to thank my agent, my nutricianist, my yoga instructor....
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Comrade Abbott has just been on channel 4 news calling Angela Eagle the 'Empire Strikes Back' candidate.
Yes Dianne.... The Empire... as in 'in power'. It's so juvenile, it's pathetic!
Angela Eagle was then interviewed and decided to talk about Europe and how it should be addressed. You know.... actual policies. Stuff that's happening in the real world. Which is a **** of a lot more than I've heard from the bearded one and his naval gazing comrades, who've barely mentioned anything as trivial as that. Deciding to disappear up their owns arses while banging on about Iraq, and the perceived plots against the Glorious Leader!
It's tragic that they haven't got a single bloody policy, or a single bloody clue. The concerns of the ludicrous Abbott and her laughable lefty cohorts can be summed up by...
Did the "mike holder" mention the "mandate" by any chance?
And the [s]UKIP news today[/s], sorry forget it.....
Here it is.
Felt rather sorry for her, actually.
Blimey, I was only joking/missed that.
That is embarrassing. 😯
binners - Member"Binners very skillfully manages to craft a deluded, blinkered and utterly clueless rant so well, that the less intelligent might actually think he's being serious! That's how to post bollocks on an internet forum".
Its a fair cop guv. I think thats the nicest thing anyones ever said to me
I haven't read binner's rants on here for a couple of days but I think you probably give him too much credit.
Most of his material on "lefties" appears to be plagiarize from Richard Littlejohn's Daily Mail column, certainly the style is indistinguishable.
Earlier on this thread binners made the claim that [i]"Rolf Harris would have more chance of winning a general election than Corbyn"[/i] which sounded remarkably similar to Richard Littlejohn's rant last year : [i]"Trust Labour? I'd rather trust Jimmy Savile to babysit"[/i].
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In that particular article Littlejohn claims that Ed Miliband resembles [i]"a semi-literate sixth-former, with no grasp of either history or reality"[/i].
Binners levels exactly the same accusations against Corbyn on this thread.
All those references about Islington Lefties, Comrade Corbyn, sixth-formers, the Red Flag, Wolfie Smith, etc, are pure Richard Littlejohn. If you enjoy binners anti-leftie rantings then I would suggest you buy the Daily Mail, I'm sure you'll find more than enough to satisfy your needs for free-range tofu yogurt eating one-legged hermaphrodite lesbian trots.
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STW: a microcosm example of Momentum vs the PLP.
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STW: a microcosm example of Momentum vs the PLP.
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Felt rather sorry for her, actually.
Today hasn't been a every good day for her. She didn't need this headline :
[url= http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/angela-eagle-faces-prospect-of-no-confidence-vote-from-constituency-labour-party-34874830.html ]Angela Eagle faces prospect of ‘no confidence’ vote from constituency Labour party[/url]
Angela Eagle faces prospect of ‘no confidence’ vote from constituency Labour party
Splitters!
What no questions and now a no-confidence vote - momentum is not with her is it?
Still she could always ignore the vote of no-confidence couldn't she - or is that only for exceptional circumstances?
Failing that, could she argue that she has a mandate from the PLP
Splitters!
Whatever happened to good old-fashioned loyalty?
Let us know if you want us to all start calling you Loretta comrade
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Whatever happened to good old-fashioned loyalty?
Went out of fashion when JC became an MP, the PLP took 30+ years to get on trend
Bring on the SDP say I.
Let the SWP drag Labour down, let a centrist SDP rise, let red tories and LibDems find a new home, and let Purple tories hang themselves on their insularity.
when I said not too long ago, that I relished the idea of the [i]threat[/i] of an EU referendum for the value of a little "shake-em-up", a little disruption, I never thought we'd see the silliest of silly seasons this summer.
Maybe we can dream, perchance, that politics will eat itself, and we all wake up libertarians one morning. Ah, wistful. 😀
TMH, not sure this is correct but Local Party vote of no-confidence ... means nothing except she may not be reselected in 2020. Only NEC can eject from the party (very unlikley) so she stands against Corbyn come what may.
Momentum is doing as much good for Labour as Militant Tendancy did in the 1980's
Whatever happened to good old-fashioned loyalty?
Corbyn style its alive and well. The PLP is showing him exactly the sort of loyalty he has shown the party for the last 30 years.
ah, but it's all about the mandate, brother. The mandate.
Maybe we can dream, perchance, that politics will eat itself, and we all wake up libertarians one morning. Ah, wistful.
Now there's a thought....
Jambas, I was having a giggle!
About the what?
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but it's all about the mandate, brother
Or sister.
slackboy - and just how did you get that moniker?
[quote=jambalaya ]@Stoner and CFH we don't see you on these threads enough
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I miss alternative views that were informed...i never realised you were the erudite wing of the party till the last few years 😉
slackboy: you, me, and a bottle of brut behind the bikesheds...
we all live on a spectrum junky.
Anyway, who's found the best odds for a labour party split within the next 6 months because my Crabb bet has gone sideways.
bdum and, indeed, tish.
I miss alternative views that were informed...i never realised you were the erudite wing of the party till the last few years
I have nothing to add, but just wanted to copy and paste something in a lolitical thread.
Did you have a Crabb bet too? Not just me then?
I've had a fiver on Jezza leaving the Labour Party and going full Galloway and becoming minister for tractor production in Putins government
