Jeremy Corbyn

Supposedly Momentum said if there is a challenge they will recruit another 100,000 £3-ers. How wrote these rules, you can join for £3 and be elligable to vote immediately that's total madness.

Meanwhile the hate stirred up by Vote Leave actually got Jo Cox killed .....

How wrote these rules, you can join for £3 and be elligable to vote immediately that's total madness.

Are you really criticising a Jewish person? Now what do you call it when someone does this ? If you deny this then you are part of the problem just admit etc

Turns out his press officer is now releasing statements with Corbyn's name spelt wrongly. Shambles.

It seems apparent that the fruit loops of Momentum are going to march to another victory for Jeremy in any leadership contest. I'm sure that all UK marginal voters will see this small cabal of hard left cult members hijack a democratic process to serve their own bonkers agenda, and think 'they look like a great bunch. I must rush out and vote for them at the general election!

Jeremy's election to PM after that will be a mere formality

, you can join for £3 and be elligable to vote immediately that's total madness.

not sure they even need the £3 votes this time around, it certainly would have been a similar landslide for him last time even without the £3 affiliat members. All the polls including the recent Ashcroft one show little sign of this changing.
Complicated perhaps by the extraordinary upsurge in membership again in the last week, except that we have somewhat less statistically rigorous reports that that 2/3 of those 13000 or so are joining for Corbyn. If this is the case, I am highly amused that it looks like a leadership crisis should bring so many more members into a party. I wonder if the same is happening for the blue team? 😆

At the risk of placing binners in the embarrassing position of having to agree with me... 😉

One wonders what the Labour supporters in the country, who voted to put those Members of Parliament in place, feel about having a minority of arrivistes over-ruling their choice of representation.

The noisy apparatchiks of the yoof wing don't seem to be at all concerned about the anti-democratic nature of their risible activities...

Mr Woppit - Can't speak for everyone obviously but personally I'm massively pissed off if that helps...

One wonders what the Labour supporters in the country, who voted to put those Members of Parliament in place, feel about having a minority of arrivistes over-ruling their choice of representation.

[edit] Also why not join the party if you feel so strongly about its leadership being 'wrongly' decided by its actual members? I voted green at the GE and am a paid up green party member. I want to demonstrate support to them and give them money (durng the blair years I also signed the bit in my union paperwork that takes my subs out of labour's and into the general poilitical fund) Incidentally green party membership also precludes me from being a £3 voter so don't worry about me perverting the course of the labour party with my far lung lefty madness. 😉

Thank you. As you completely failed to understand, I wasn't talking about Labour Party Members.

I was talking about the electors of the MP's in the general public who gave those MP's the mandate to represent them.

Supposedly Momentum said if there is a challenge they will recruit another 100,000 £3-ers.

I'm in 😀

Interesting...

[url= https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/uk/angela-eagle-leadership-website-registered-days-resigned/ ]Angela Eagle leadership website registered days before she resigned[/url]

Website registration data appears to show that the domain “angela4leader.org” was set up two days before she resigned

It also came before Hilary Benn was sacked by Jeremy Corbyn early Sunday morning – the spark that set off a major rebellion in the Labour shadow cabinet.

Angela Eagle is expected to announce a run for the leadership of the Labour Party in the coming days.

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The website was registered at 6pm on Saturday 25 June, according to its publicly available “whois” information – while Mr Benn was sacked hours later.

It was was not registered by Ms Eagle herself, but Joe McCrea, a PR executive who served as a special adviser in Downing Street during Tony Blair’s tenure.

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A spokesperson for Ms Eagle admitted to Buzzfeed that she knows Mr McCrea personally, but said she had not unauthorised the purchase and had been unaware of its existence.

Ms Eagle did not cite Mr Corbyn’s move to sack Mr Benn as a reason for her resignation from the shadow cabinet on Monday morning.

However, the discovery may damage her credibility among supporters of Mr Corbyn, and may convince critics that some Labour figures – if not necessarily Ms Eagle herself – had prior knowledge of the shadow cabinet rebellion.

This is beyond farce now 🙂

There's no evidence she registered the site, had plans to register the site or knew that someone else was planning to do so.

This is beyond farce now

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Exactly 🙂

Jezza's ego is the size of a [s]small[/s] large moon.

One wonders what the Labour supporters in the country, who voted to put those Members of Parliament in place, feel about having a minority of arrivistes over-ruling their choice of representation.

Yes, I agree that the former members of the shadow cabinet have exceeded their brief.

[quote=scotroutes ]There's no evidence she registered the site, had plans to register the site or knew that someone else was planning to do so.

yes one day she just woke up and though you know what I fancy a pop at being leader

She is a politicians he planned and she implemented her plans

Whilst i wont support her what is bad about actually planning and then implementing your plan?

Its far better than wining a referendum then realising your plan is BS.

That registration of that website is pretty damning for the Blairites!

I'm getting quite optimistic about the contents of the Chilcot report.

chakaping - Member

I hear you Ernie. I am really torn on the subject of Corbyn.

I have a lot of respect for him and its great to see a proper socialist at the forefront of UK politics, even if I think he failed to get the message across that it was socialist reforms like the welfare state which formed the foundation of the "golden era" that Leave voters were pining for.

I've always thought he'd be a transitional figure, heralding a rebalancing of Labour policy leftwards - but probably not that far left.

This is a genuine question chakaping because I would actually be very interested in the answer, it's something which honestly baffles me.

Why do you think Corbyn is [i]that[/i] far left ?

I know that the Tories, the Blairites, and their friends in the media, portray Corbyn as far-left, but why does anyone believe them?

What arguments have you heard Corbyn make chakaping that makes you think he is far-left? I personally can't off the top of my head think of any - and presumably there must be loads?

Sure he's substantially to the left of Tony Blair, but then so are probably most people on this forum - I wouldn't describe this place as far-left though.

Corbyn is actually to the right of the two Labour prime ministers before Blair and they were both considered to be on the right of the party.

I personally could be fairly described as far-left, I don't consider Corbyn to be even a socialist, I consider him to be a social-democrat, a good social-democrat though. Of course I might have got him wrong but is there any proof that I have?

And btw imo it's not just those on the right who overstate Corbyn's leftiness, I have heard a few left-wingers also do.

Whilst i wont support her what is bad about actually planning and then implementing your plan?

Some might argue that planning a campaign to become leader of a party when there isn't a vacancy, and 12 months after the members, supporters, and affiliates, all, without exception, decisively elected someone for the job, isn't what is expected from a senior politician whose responsibilities includes working very closely with the leader.

I would anyway.

And btw for the record I personally voted for Angela Eagle to be deputy leader (iirc she came 4th). The choice it has to be said was appalling but I just couldn't bring myself to vote for Tom Watson as many Corbyn supporters did. The truth is that left-wing candidates in PLP elections are practically nonexistent. Although there was one and the support he received from the party was overwhelming.

I am disappointed you dont like coup d'etats ernie 😉

I see your point re her actions. I just dont care

Its also a pretty good point that he is not that left wing either

lets not forget the media referred to ed as Red ed

Why do you think Corbyn is that far left ?

What arguments have you heard Corbyn make chakaping that makes you think he is far-left? I personally can't off the top of my head think of any - and presumably there must be loads?

this is a very good point, I can't think of a significant change in Labour policy since his election, lots of committee's and working groups but not a single policy change

perhaps Ernie could help confirm this lack of change from the post-Blairism of Ed

Well I'm not sure why the responsibility should rest with me but yes, I can confirm that Labour's 2020 election manifesto has not been released.

I can also confirm that if Corbyn remains leader until 2020 the election manifesto will different to the election manifesto of 2015.

Will it look like 'the longest suicide note in history?'

So we are still constrained by the LW v RW BS 😯

Labour did not lose the last election by being either too LW or not LW enough. This is the red herring that dogs all debate and is a bloody irrelevance.

If they cant be bothered to learn the lessons of history, they are doomed to repeat them.

Time to update the narrative.

I can also confirm that if Corbyn remains leader until 2020 the election manifesto will different to the election manifesto of 2015.

A new career in forecasting awaits Ernie 😉

Well I'm not sure why the responsibility should rest with me but yes, I can confirm that Labour's 2020 election manifesto has not been released.

I can also confirm that if Corbyn remains leader until 2020 the election manifesto will different to the election manifesto of 2015.

I thought you needed policies in order to oppose the government policies for 5 years, or is it all just slogans and hot air for 4 years and six months?

binners - Member

Will it look like 'the longest suicide note in history?'

Posted 5 minutes ago

That's hilarious binners!

Do you get your jokes from the Daily Mail?

It has a Richard Littlejohn quality to it.

big_n_daft - Member

I thought you needed policies in order to oppose the government policies for 5 years

No, Labour is currently supporting all of the Tory government's policies.

HTH

errr, jambalaya didn't you say back along that you did exactly that?

I said I was thinking about it but in the end it was clear he would win so I saved the £3

Rumour that Corbyn is close to resigning (as he's a "broken man") and Labour may broker a deal to allow him to be in place for Chilcot next week then go.

Do you not get it Ernie? You really don't, do you?

I'm a lifelong labour voter. I'm passionate about social justice. I got it from my politically active, guardian reading parents. I despise the Tories agenda.

Yet I think Jeremy Corbyn and his cohorts of tragically juvenile lefties are a joke! A joke that isn't even remotely funny

If I think he's utterly unelectable, then what do you think the average Middle England floating voter living in a marginal constituancy thinks?

Maybe take a step back for a moment, stop singing the Red Flag, and have a look at yourself and your Corbinite Comrades - look at the farce of this weeks no confidence vote - and then ask yourself if you're in any way providing a vision of anything, or any answers, that anyone other than a little cult would want to vote for in a general election. You know.... the one about the people you want to run the country? It's tragic that this is what's become of the Labour Party.

And yes, I know.... that rot goes a lot deeper and further back than Corbyn. But he's making it infinitely worse with every day that passes

Labour is currently supporting all of the Tory government's policies.

So that's the new politics Jeremy speaks of ? 🙂

Do you not get it? You really don't, do you?

I thought we had agreed that your "Corbyn is worse than Rolf Harris" rants wouldn't persuaded me ?
Try to accept that.

I've already said that I accept you hate everyone.

I have no intentions of trying to change you, so save yourself the bother of trying to change me.

Who do you want to take over from Corbyn Binners?

You keep your head buried in the sand comrade. And enjoy your trip back to 1983.

Meanwhile, let's briefly return to the real world, shall we? And to ironically paraphrase Nigel Farage : I want my party back

And CTK - I don't know. I've not heard what people have to say yet. I'll judge then.

But The whole excercise is an irrelevance anyway. The Corbynites think the battle to keep him in power is the be all and end all. When I say power, I don't mean being in number 10. I don't mean actual power. I mean sitting and rejoicing in victory over your perceived enemies, in your little parochial way, while completely forgetting that there's a bigger picture - at the moment a hugely bigger picture - that you will not have the slightest influence on. But you can wave your little red flag in the 6th form common room. And that's what mattrrs

I want my party back

Listen mate you would be ranting whoever was leader of the Labour Party. I know that, you know that, everyone knows that.

In the last year or so you've gone from fanatically supporting Andy Burnham to fanatically opposing Andy Burnham, from fanatically supporting Corbyn to fanatically opposing Corbyn.

The one thing that can said about you is that you don't do things in half measures. I'll give you that.

I want my party back

Whose party?

How did Tony Blair first come to prominence?

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(Might be a clue in there somewhere...)

Why has the media been so down on Corbyn from day one anyhoo?

I want my party back

Blair era?

Ernie - I'm possessed with the self-awareness to know that in the same way as a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day, in the ceaseless bollocks I generally spout, I''m very occasionally right. Once in a while. Rarely, admittidly. And as I've said, I wanted the whole Corbyn thing to work. I thought it was a new aproach. But it's been an unmitigated disaster. And it risks handing the tories a hegemony, so you need to look past the rhetoric and be more pragmatic, and acknowledge that

Alan Johnson is on the weekly politics now. Hardly an arch 'Blairite''. He was asked why his party didn't respect Jezza. His answer: "because you can't instill respect by intimidation".

And I'm sorry but the whole Momentum thing has that air pretty unpleasant air about it. There's nothing worse than someone being so convinced they're right that they think that gives them the authority to impose their will, and stifle any dissent

Why has the media been so down on Corbyn from day one anyhoo?

I'm not sure there is a conspiracy against Corbyn by the media as such JHJ (apart from the Tory press obviously) although I have heard it suggested that the media is under intense political pressure.

However I think the media as a whole takes a keen interest in Corbyn because as leader of a major political party he is different.

He is different to other major party leaders and previous recent Labour leaders in that he doesn't subscribe to the neoliberal consensus of austerity, corporate power, aggressive wars, tax cuts/avoidance for the very wealthy, development of weapons of mass destruction, privatisations, etc.

So for those reasons he attracts a lot of attention. Which when coupled with outright hostility from the Tories, the Blairites, and the Tory press, gives him quite a hard time.

Plus of course if he wins the 2020 general election he will make Tony Blair look extremely silly which by definition will also make a lot of other people also look extremely silly.

A lot of people are very determined that Corbyn should never win a general election. And a lot of other people are very determined that he shouldn't give up. I don't envy him, truly.

"because you can't instill respect by intimidation"

How do party whips work?

(Aside from dirt books and cleaning up indiscretions involving minors?)

in the same way as a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day, in the ceaseless bollocks I generally spout, I''m very occasionally right. Once in a while. Rarely, admittidly.

Actually if you want to pause and speak seriously for a couple of minutes instead of taunting and posting pictures I am happy to say that on many occasions I have found you to be spot on in your analysis. Far more so than many other people.

However what I have always found extraordinarily frustrating are your conclusions. You are an absolutely classic example of "wrong conclusions from correct premises", imo of course.

The fact that you understand so many of the problems is what makes it particularly frustrating. If you didn't understand the problems then I wouldn't find it frustrating, plenty of people don't.