Jeremy Corbyn

just5minutes - Member

More of the "new politics" in today's papers..

You appear to be suggesting that committing electoral fraud is now Labour policy, which is impressively dumb even by the general standard set on this thread.

Committing electoral fraud isn't the "new politics" and if anyone is guilty of it they should be prosecuted, convicted, and punished. Whatever their political persuasion - including any Corbyn supporters.

Unless of course just5minutes you have some sort of evidence that electoral fraud is a deliberate strategy now being pursued by the Labour Party. If so provide it.

jambalaya - Member

Ernie. I worked in one of the world's most diverse organisations for 11 years. In my last team I had two Chinese nationals and reported jointly to a Brit and an Egyptian with whom I had a very strong relationship. The main business I ran had people from India, China, Singapore, South Africa, Columbia and Vietnam plus Brits of course. Everyone got along fabulously well.

Well that's really great to hear.

But what the **** has that got to do with whether it is acceptable to call a Chinese man a "China-man" ?

I'll answer that question for you........**** all.

His basic point seems to be that those British folk who are knighted and then flee to abroad to avoid tax are perhaps not the best examples of our nation and they should be stripped of their title for their actions

WOw, so it's only taken the Labour Party forty five years to respond to the Rolling Stones and Beatles becoming tax exiles?

WOw, so it's only taken the Labour Party forty five years to respond to the Rolling Stones and Beatles becoming tax exiles?

Most people have noticed that Jeremy Corbyn has been leader for 12 months not 45 years.

But I take it from your use of the term "Wow" that this might come as a bit of a surprise to you.

Phew. Glad we're back on track after all that Chairperson Meow leaping bicycles distraction.

So O'Dobbin has abandoned pleading yearningly for unity and just opted for tactical distraction.

Won't disguise the comedy car-crash value of his party take-over attempt either.

Most people have noticed that Jeremy Corbyn has been leader for 12 months not 45 years.

Which makes it all the more surprising that he never mentioned the issue previously doesn't it? He's has 12 months as leader (and two leadership campaigns) to come up with the idea, but coincidentally it only appears after one of said tax exiles embarrasses him on a global stage. Almost as if they make up their policies on the hoof to appease the momentum loonies 😆

Ernie you are trying to fabricate a story from nothing .. how very Momentum. I very much doubt there are too many people on STW who've had a broader range of team members than I or who have done as much to advance their careers as have I. Very proud of that record,

No it's not Labour Policy to commit electoral fraud but that's certainly what's going on with Momentum's support and I would say with Corbyn's knowledge. If he's prepared to cover up anti-Semitism then electoral fraud is just another sideline. The whole of Corbyn's leadership looks more and more Stalinist by the day

Sir Richard Branson living in the Caribbean what's wrong with South Shields eh ? Tax status would be the only reason you'd make that choice no ?

which tens of thousands brits benefit but lets not split hairs. Yes let's strip the nasty rich man of his knighthood.

DO you not think greatness to Britain involves not pissing off to avoid paying tax to the country that , at least partly, made you and your company wealthy?

He employs folk to make money from their labour it was and never will be some sort of charitable act of philanthropy on his behalf.

enfht - Member

Branson unlike Green generates wealth of which tens of thousands brits benefit but lets not split hairs. Yes let's strip the nasty rich man of his knighthood.

@Gary, so once you become a Knight or have any other honour you can't live abroad ?

Which makes it all the more surprising that he never mentioned the issue previously doesn't it?

FFS back to making shit up again

Ernie you are trying to fabricate a story from nothing

Apart from that yes nothing happens

Basically its a clumsy term dont use it as, clearly, you dont ever want to appear like you are being insensitive to other groups* so dont do it

* except Muslims those we demonise with cheap inaccurate slurs.

jambalaya - Member

@Gary, so once you become a Knight or have any other honour you can't live abroad ?

Instructive to look at the US here - where there is no such thing as a tax exile. You could move to N Korea and the IRS would chase you for income tax as long as you held a US passport.

You mean apart from the foreign earned income exclusion and the foreign housing exclusion, and all the other myriad exclusions and deductions that apply?

As an aside, if this hits 10k replies, is it the longest thread on STW?

The suggestion was and is that a tax exile be stripped not a rich man.

He employs folk to make money from their labour it was and never will be some sort of charitable act

Nicely sums up socialist logic.

Its non sequitur central here today. Its basic economics [ or the truth] its not "socialism" 🙄 EMployers make money form employees - I a not sure how you managed to be unaware of this "socialism"

I dont blame you for not trying to argue Branson employs folk out the goodness of his heart. Even you can see your premise was false.
You can fail to respond to the question and fail to understand it as much as you please citing facts you think are "socialist", but it only serves to make you look a little dim and a bit trolly

The whole of Corbyn's leadership looks more and more Stalinist by the day

Was Stalin a character in Carry on Comrade?

Another socialist trait, when all else fails shout and throw insults. Maybe call me racist for the triple win?

the tories are grumpy and frightened this morn aye!
this pleases me greatly 🙂

the tories are grumpy and frightened this morn aye!
this pleases me greatly

Really?

Of what?

That there'll die of laughter as the Corbyn Comedy Roadshow stumbles into its next skit?

Seriously, I don't they are frightened of JC in the slightest!

EMployers make money form employees

Only if they run their business well

The ones that don't go bust and leave their employees without jobs

Thereby demonstrating the point its not philanthropy and done only to make money

That for agreeing via extreme pedantry

Another socialist trait, when all else fails shout and throw insults. Maybe call me racist for the triple win?

You failed to grasp the argument/address the point made and your "socialist" point was just me saying the truth everything else is just you being the inner beautiful "you"

What's wrong with making money? Not all MDs are solely in it for the money. Yes it is a major part of course but some actually want to do a good job and provide an excellent service to help others.

+1 What dragon said.
If it was just the money nobody would bother. There is great satisfaction to be gained from building and running a successful business of any size. What makes people think they can understand anyone else's motivation fully, based on reading from newspapers and the Internet? That's quite unfair...

That's quite unfair...

Well, life's unfair isn't it?

Luckily, there's a glorious leader to show us the way to a new, fair society where everyone will be equal!

some actually want to do a good job and provide an excellent service to help others whilst making money.

They could have set up a charity, not have made any profit, given it all to charity etc as could any business owner who was in it because they care.
When they do not do this , and they end up owning billions, whilst living in a tax haven its hard to argue they were not motivated by money. Still its STW and any argument will be voiced

At least Flashy knows it unfair now we just need to get him to care

If it was just the money nobody would bother

Spectacular capitalism fail there.

now we just need to get him to care

Because obviously I dont.....

FFS.

1) Nothing to stop a charity making a profit or its directors being paid a lot of money.

2) All those SME's might have directors that are rich in terms of the national average but they are hardly tax exiles or even close to being so.

They could have set up a charity, not have made any profit, given it all to charity etc as could any business owner who was in it because they care.

half of UK start ups businesses fail within the first five years

If theres no reward, why would you risk investing your life savings, time and effort on something that stands a high chance of failure?

Imagine if George had thought "nah, its not worth putting that **** off big advert with loads of pages in the magazines, lets just stick to running our little bike shop and be happy with what we got"

EMployers make money form employees - I a not sure how you managed to be unaware of this "socialism"

Does that go for public sector employees?

Which sector pays your mortgage? Private, public, or third?

Or indeed trades union leaders on £140,000.00 pa who get £5000.00 pay rises.

Because obviously I dont....

If theres no reward, why would you risk investing your life savings, time and effort on something that stands a high chance of failure?

Does that go for public sector employees?

One can mock method ideology and still give a shit, Junky. There are many ways to reduce inequality.

Or can one only care if it's the [i]right sort[/i] of caring?

Nipper99 - Member
Or indeed trades union leaders on £140,000.00 pa who get £5000.00 pay rises.

3.5% is anyone is interested.

Water companies are private in many areas. But you can get private companies to work for everyone through effective regulation. Lots of essentials are provided by private companies.

Do these companies make a profit, and made a business decision to operate in these areas, or do they do it because they "care"?

Yes we have privatised lots of things and yes we still all get water, Lots of bus routes dont exist mind as they were unprofitable.

None of this negates my point
What is controversial in saying businesses are in the business of making money rather than employing folk per se. Its just self evidently true.

Could you imagine folk not having clean running water as it was not profitable to supply the pipe work for their property - no me neither hence why we needed the govt to run some businesses to achieve social goals like running water- these days we just pay the private sector to deliver say "unaffordable " broadband etc.

Water Industry was privatised to essentially draw in third party investment ahead of the massive costs of the tightening drinking water and environmental legislation

This didn't happen in northern Ireland or Scotland and investment has lagged the rest of the UK

Essentially the public sector do all the things that folk cannot make a profit from so - so they wont do it- say public libraries as an example.

You demonstrate the issue with the old school public sector, a complete lack of entrepreneurship. Libraries can do more than the traditional functions. For example becoming a centre for local businesses to use as an shop window, education and child care, start-up business premises etc

Not all public sector activities translate in this way but the holier than thou attitude demonstrated that the private sector is all about owners exploitation of workers is as true as all public sector workers milking sick leave, pensions and working short hours

Do these companies make a profit, and made a business decision to operate in these areas, or do they do it because they "care"?

They make a profit to keep the financial markets happy, that keeps the cost of debt low which keeps your bill down.

The level of profit is regulated as they are monopolies it's a great example of regulation that in general is working well

Are you enjoying yourself Junkyard ?

Your blog Ernie?

https://croydoncommunists.wordpress.com

And are you mates with John Eden?

https://insidecroydon.com/2014/03/14/stevenson-leads-communists-three-man-revolution/

You demonstrate the issue with the old school public sector, a complete lack of entrepreneurship. Libraries can do more than the traditional functions. For example becoming a centre for local businesses to use as an shop window, education and child care, start-up business premises etc

the holier than thou attitude demonstrated that the private sector is all about owners exploitation of workers

They make a profit to keep the financial markets happy,

that keeps the cost of debt low which keeps your bill down.

The level of profit is regulated as they are monopolies

[quote=ernie_lynch ]Are you enjoying yourself Junkyard ?

Be glad when the weekend is over and I can hand the mantle back to you.

How kind of you to do a google search of me big n daft, I feel touched and flattered 8)

Yes I know John Eden very well indeed, like me he's a carpenter and we are actually both in the same local cycling club - he's a roadie who is well into his vintage bikes, which I am reliably informed are much better than modern bikes with lightweight frames and STI shifters.

Although we obviously share very similar political views he actually originally comes from a Trot background and probably sees me as a bit conservative*/right-wing. He's also a more intellectual and better informed than me - he reads a lot. He's a bit of a purist when it comes to politics (and bikes). I tend to avoid getting into deep political discussions (or ones about bikes) with him 🙂

EDIT : * That's "conservative" in the working-class marxist sense of course - not conservative in the Tory Party sense......small "c".

and I can hand the mantle back to you.

You are doing very well mate, you just carry on.

Well I assume that you are doing very well - I'm not actually following the "debate".

After all how hard can it to be to convince dyed-in-the-wool Tories ?

I'm not actually following the "debate".

Finally, Ernie shows that he does indeed have a sense of humour! Not following it?

😀 Brilliant.

"Mantle"?

CaptainFlashheart - Member

I'm not actually following the "debate".

Finally, Ernie shows that he does indeed have a sense of humour! Not following it?

Brilliant. 😀

No I'm not following the debate. I see that it's something about privatization and "fairness" but I'm not following it in any detail. In the same way that I can have the telly or the radio on and be aware of what the programme is about without paying attention.

Single sentences or short paragraphs are easy to pick up though that's why I'm replying 🙂

I'm glad the whole concept of being aware of something without paying attention amuses you greatly and that it proves I have "a sense of humour", you seemed to have got a little stressed and upset up there ^^

CaptainFlashheart - Member

now we just need to get him to care

Because obviously I dont.....

FFS.

Instructive to look at the US here - where there is no such thing as a tax exile. You could move to N Korea

@Gary AFAIK the US and Phillipines are the only countries in the world to have such tax arrangements. If you make millions in the US it's highly unlikely you'll pay more than 15-20% in tax as there are so many offsets/allowances etc.

As an aside, if this hits 10k replies, is it the longest thread on STW?

@bongo no

MrMichaelWright and his wife who I had the great pleasure of meeting on a Trail Addiction holiday is at approx 14,000 posts with this one which is far too clever for me to contribute to

[url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/tune-association-threadits-friday-and-im-bored ]Friday tune association thread[/url]

They could have set up a charity, not have made any profit, given it all to charity etc as could any business owner who was in it because they care.

No profits = no money to invest in their next business idea ? No profit = no reserves to weather a downturn in business ? No profit = no business tax

I could go on.

From the Croydon Communists

The Communists fielded three candidates in the 2010 local elections, while Stevenson was the Communist candidate at the 2012 Croydon North by-election, when he polled 119 votes, nine more than the Monster Raving Loony candidate.

Here we see Labour's future, to benchmark their electoral success by the Monster Raving Looney Party

The silver lining of torrential rain - hilarious !!!!

In the Oldham West and Royton by-election Labour got 17,209 votes and the monster raving loonies 141. Tories and UKIP considerably closer to the monster raving loonies.

ctk quite correct, they aren't there yet, it's a work in progress 😉

Labour need to look very closely at Scotland, people stopped believing it was worth voting for them in a general election.

Good to see an intelligent reaction to the whole traingate saga from team Jezza

We need bigger shovels.

Keep digging comrades

Spotted the Lennon quote in the "Croydon Communist" blog there.

Nice coincidental tie in with the Fat Chinese Communist Dictator mentioned earlier.

Any "pictures of Chairman Mao" being carried around there, at all?

Maybe whoever is taking a turn at wearing the mantle has got it.

Well just reading these last couple of pages it appears our resident lefties/trots/Marxists have about as much insight into the reasons people start businesses, as they have into why the UK population will never elect a hard left government.

People start businesses for one reason only... to make a fortune by ruthlessly exploiting 'The Workers'?

Dear God! What's it like living your life imprisoned in the mindset of a 1970's Union rep?

Indeed binners chant after me, all profit bad all money to charity. Just like the marxist dogma of profit being the result of under paying the workers. This attitude is a severe problem for Labour and Corbyn is only maling these views more entrenched. Attacking these beliefs during a General Election will be meat and drink to Labour's opponents.

Well just reading these last couple of pages it appears our resident lefties/trots/Marxists have about as much insight into the reasons people start businesses, as they have into ........

I think that's you Junkyard. Ever been called a lefty marxist trot before ? Well apparently you're one of the resident ones on here.

Mind you the comment was made by our resident ranter who would do Richard Littlejohn proud, so make what you will of it.

ur resident lefties/trots/Marxists have about as much insight into the reasons people start businesses

to make a fortune by ruthlessly exploiting 'The Workers'?

Name calling i can live with but for such a bland and obvious statement of fact its astonishing how little the resident non trorts know about the system they so adore. They have not even grasped the most basic premise of the system.Businesses exist to make money, businesses that dont make money dont exist

Its not controversial or marxists its just the truth.

businesses that dont make money dont exist

Co-ops and charities can make a profit, ever seen the Co-ops shiny buildings in Manchester city center they weren't free.

Likewise companies don't have to make a profit to exist, see Tesla.

Cash flow is what it is all about, whatever legal form they take.

People start businesses for one reason only... to make a fortune by ruthlessly exploiting 'The Workers'?

Right, that's it everyone stop, everyone out!

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Junky 'twas you who said business should exist to make no money/profit and/or all profits should be donated to charity. It really is that sort of thinking which underlies your and many Corbynisats economic thinking.

As ninfan says why take all that risk to start a business when there is no reward other than wages which you could get paid if you just worked for someone else ?

Its (profit = evil) core to the lefties belief that many businesses should be state run as somehow Government ownership is like a massive non-profit utopian solution. It's patently bollix as has been shown again and again politicians are terrible at running businesses not least as so few of them have ever worked in one for any length of time or with any notable success.

Likewise companies don't have to make a profit to exist, see Tesla.

Tesla, facebook, google, Amazon etc etc its all about promising profit and lots of it in the future. The investors in such businesses are expecting huge profits eg 10 times their investments. Profit can take many forms too, it can come from technology development, patents, dominant market positions etc. Sooner or later a company has to deliver a profit / return otherwise the investors / lenders will stop paying the bills.

What happens when altruistic business plans meet reality:

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/business/small-business/lentil-as-anything-in-trouble-as-cheapskates-take-advantage-of-restaurants-charity/news-story/1973fd606b162b0ff091fae0e4af76cd

Just switched on the BBC news and there's an "eye-witness" explanation of why he and his fellow Albanians living under the then Dear Leader Enver Hoxha in that particular Communust paradise, sought refugee status in Italy.

"Freedom and escape from poverty", apparently.

Shocking, eh?

But you seen ninfan they are in the wrong location Sydney is in Australia not Utopia

Yep that's right and there's no poverty anywhere other than communist countries- FACT

Thinking about it, the entire history of Communism (and "Socialism", it's allegedly slightly cuddlier little sibling) is the history of complete failure.

Except China, where the Communist government have managed to haul the country up in just a few years, to being the second largest economy on the planet, by allowing....

Capitalism.

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How many threads have reached the 10k post mark!?

Yunki if you don't mind me saying that's very polarised thinking

unky 'twas you who said business should exist to make no money/profit and/or all profits should be donated to charity. It really is that sort of thinking which underlies your and many Corbynisats economic thinking.

As ninfan says why take all that risk to start a business when there is no reward other than wages which you could get paid if you just worked for someone else ?

Its (profit = evil) core to the lefties belief that many businesses should be state run as somehow Government ownership is like a massive non-profit utopian solution.

It's patently bollix as has been shown again and again politicians are terrible at running businesses not least as so few of them have ever worked in one for any length of time or with any notable success.

Businesses are generally set up for reasons like;

the founder wants to make a living
the founder has a good idea and wants to put it into practice
the founder wants a different lifestyle (e.g. like living in the mountains and skiing in winter and riding bikes in summer)
the list goes on

From the founders perspective wages and profit are the same thing, unless he makes a profit he has no wages

As for the profit=evil dogma we hear that every day from the lefties Corbyn included.

The further left Labour goes the more anti-business and even anti-Capitalism it becomes. Trust me people are not going to vote for that in 2020

Why do folk make up shit no one said and then attack that ?

Cos these poor desperate folk are clutching at straws... their messed up system of control is running out of time

Like feudalism, slavery and imperialism before it, their little boys club is fighting against the tide of time and they will say [i]anything[/i] to cling on to their outdated attitudes..

As I said earlier in the thread - Silly canutes

the founder wants to make a living
the founder has a good idea and wants to put it into practice
the founder wants a different lifestyle (e.g. like living in the mountains and skiing in winter and riding bikes in summer)
the list goes on

Is it make a profit?

If you go into business with no regard for your ability to make a profit and no interest in this daft concept, that only a Marxist would state, then your business life is unlikely to be that successful.

What do you reckon happens at a start up business meeting - no discussion at all about profitability 😆
its not a radical view I am stating.

As for the profit=evil dogma we hear that every day from the lefties Corbyn included.

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