Wow, polls aren't always 100% accurate?! Thanks for letting me know.
Your link just shows the dangers of false pessimism really doesn't it - good thing David Cameron didn't believe them and give up. 😉
Funny isn't it how polls are irrelevant when it's Corbyn/labour doing well but completely reliable when they're saying the opposite 🙂
Isn't it just.
Certainly the case during the last election 😆
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Total carnage for Corbyn and Labour today at PMQ's. Even their MPs where laughing at Cameron's jibes about "the list". When you have the PM and large numbers of Tories MPs declaring they are "core plus" supporters of Corbyn you have to think he cannot survive too much longer. I can't post the f-bomb laden tweet of one Labour to today's self inflicted disaster.
Cameron also took time to reference the significant problem Labour has with anti-semitism and the recent abuse of students, he made it clear it was Corbyn's problem to sort out. We've discussed that here already and its an endemic problem in particular with Corbyn's core new supporters and one which is not going to go away quickly.
Really Jambo, if you think Cameron having a laugh and joke at PMQs is high on the priority list of problems for Corbyn then you really don't understand what's going on. The list was almost certainly leaked by a Corbyn supporter - rumour has it Damian McBride was the culprit - in order to demonstrate that opposition in the PLP to Corbyn is not nearly as ubiquitous as the blairites and their friends in the press would have everyone believe. So whilst you completely miss the point and have a laugh at some joke that will be forgotten in an instant, Corbyn may well have been strengthened against any potential leadership challenges.
And really, are you seriously suggesting that anti-semitism in the labour party is endemic? That's as preposterous as saying the tories are all neo-nazis.
Endemic?
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Read the dictionary before using words you're not sure about jamba.
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Is JC(not Jesus Christ) still a Utopian? 😆
Can we all be careful and remember that the meaning of anti-Semetic also includes anybody who remarks upon the actions of the state of Israel. Nobody actually agreed about this,the Jewish council just decided that being critical of land grabs etc, was evidence of anti-Semitism,as an nod to their murderous friends in Palestine and the Levant. So that was more Jambabollocks...Or just his usual anti-arab prejudice.
FFS! Why are those people in Israel or Palestine a concern? 🙄
I don't want to feed them so let them sort out their problems themselves. 😡
#jambafacts must be MASSIVELY more influential than I realised if MPs are asking questions about anti-semitism in Parliament and the PM is explicitly telling Corbyn the Labour Party has a problem. Endemic is the right word imo, the Party is riddled with it especially at grass roots level
Why don't you guys do some googling about a Labour supported trade union event in Bournemouth last year where a group of Jews seeking to put Israels side of the argument where told by the organisers they had to leave as they could not provide them protection following a series of altercations
@duckman critising Israeli policy isn't anti-semitic people like Corbyn and Owen Jones understand that. They are however very different in their actions and beliefs than many in the Labour Party. There is plenty of critism of Israel here,mIndon't see much that could be seen as anti-semitic unlike the Labour member (recentlt rejoined and now expelled) from Woking (llarge Muslim popultaion) who Tweeted about big Jewish noses.
This piece sums up my view on the anti-semitic abuse in Oxford
[url= http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/03/antisemitic_bigots_at_oxford_and_elsewhere.html ]American Thinker[/url]
I must have missed the carnage in PMQs?
I really, really hope G.O can survive this difficult time and becomes leader of the Tories.
Are we seriously being asked to consider the significance of a single tweet from an expelled Labour Party member from Woking? Is this a test for the smallest possible measurable ISO unit of relevance? The WdT (Woking douchebag Tweet)?
Yes I read that American thinker piece and there wasn't much in it was there? 1 tweet. Not sure what the other 2 people named are supposed to have done?
Actually Jamby; as I said,being critical of the state of Israel IS anti-Semetic, the Jewish council counts it towards it's evidence. Honestly, trying to portray anti-Israeli sentiment as being a massive problem in the Labour party just shows how desperate you are. Mind you,you were making brexit capital out of the Belgium bombings yesterday,so at least you remain as classy as ever.
[i]Already down to one Scottish MP in Westminster after the SNP’s general election success last year, Labour could be left in third place in Scotland for the first time since December 1910, with its lowest vote in the post-war era, the poll forecasts.[/i]
[url= http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/27/scottish-election-poll-puts-labour-in-third-place-behind-tories ]Guardian Story[/url]
I'll leave the Naz Shah story for the time being as Corbyn seems to have ensured she was suspended (temporary of course) although our Ken doesn't even think what she put on Facebook is anti-Semitic
So given the labour right and some idiot individuals have done their best in the last few weeks to scupper the election campaign, and the almost zealous attempts of the likes of Kuensberg and others in the media to sway voters with relentlessly negative coverage, it appears that all the predictions of labour imploding in England and especially the south have come to nothing*. Have they imagined what might be possible if they actually put aside their personal grievances and pulled in the same direction?
*Ignoring Scotland, which is a special case.
One of thise not great, not awful
Enough there for either side to maintain their polemic so little point discussing it as there will be no balanced thinking going on.
The racist smears have been pretty effective and if you cannot beat a tory govt this divided and in the "mid term" then it probably does not auger well
"Enough there for either side to maintain their polemic"
This.
[url= http://www.economist.com/blogs/bagehot/2016/05/local-elections ]Abysmal[/url]
It's true they should be doing better. But given the relentless attempts of Corbyn's enemies to use every opportunity to damage him, he's proving surprisingly resilient when it comes to elections.
JC(not Jesus Christ) should insist on staying in his current position.
He is always right (I mean correct) and he should simply fire those that oppose him within the party.
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"and he should simply fire those that oppose him within the party."
Quite a departure from his existing strategy of suspending people who support him. 😀
@ daz h yes true but the labour party has a touch of the peoples front of judea scene about it at the moment and its hard to see where it ends
I cannot see either the PLP supporting him or the membership not supporting him so self destructions seems eminently possible.
Divided parties really really struggle to win and the Labour Party is pretty split
Its also hard to see why so many of the soft left guardian reading types hate him so much, often it seems more than they hate Tories. The guardian has been relentless on the anti semitic BS hard left attack for months now - never open the articles up to BTL commentary though- at some points I have thought Jamby writes for them.
outofbreath - Member"and he should simply fire those that oppose him within the party."
Quite a departure from his existing strategy of suspending people who support him.
Ya, suspending is weak.
He should fire them to teach them a lesson. 😛
It's true they should be doing better. But given the relentless attempts of Corbyn's enemies to use every opportunity to damage him, he's proving surprisingly resilient when it comes to elections.
Imagine what it would be like if the other parties got involved too...
Yep its a bitch for Corbyn. Basically the media see Corbyn as the interesting story so the try and push it. Whether this be interviewing anti Corbyn MPs constantly on the BBC or all out attack by the right wing press.
But he's still standing. When did you say he'd be gone by Jambalaya?
Imagine what it would be like if the other parties got involved too...
I doubt it would make any difference. JC has had the entire UK media industry at his throat relentlessly for months.....
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I doubt it would make any difference
Oh dear, he is in trouble then.
dazh - MemberHave they imagined what might be possible if they actually put aside their personal grievances and pulled in the same direction?
Absolutely, that's why they're working so hard to pull it apart. If they didn't think Corbyn could win, they wouldn't bother.
If they didn't think Corbyn could win, they wouldn't bother.
Surely if they thought Corbyn [b]could[/b] win, they wouldn't bother? In fact, isn't winning the election at [u]any[/u] cost regardless of principles written into the very DNA of the Blairites?
I cannot see either the PLP supporting him or the membership not supporting him so self destructions seems eminently possible.
Well if you ask me, the longer Corbyn lasts, and I for one think he probably will go all the way to 2020, the stronger his position becomes. He's in the process of restructuring the party to be more member-led and democratic, and with that will come the opportunity for the likes of John Mann et al to be deselected. John McD has already been on the news today saying they should put up or shut up. Now the blairites are saying he's got til next year before they get rid of him, when in the autumn they were saying he's got til this May. I'm wondering when it is they'll realise that they're not in control of this situation and accept the democratic will of the wider party?
In fact, isn't winning the election at any cost regardless of principles written into the very DNA of the Blairites?
Obviously not...
Given that the membership will never elect another Blairite, I don't really see why they are still entertaining delusions of leadership.
Now the blairites are saying he's got til next year before they get rid of him, when in the autumn they were saying he's got til this May.
Except they don't have any means to get rid of him. If the membership want him as leader (which over 60% do), he stays.....
@ dazh or we end up with the SDP all over again
History suggests the outcome for a more left wing labour party is not great.
I do agree the Blairites need to learn to respect the membership, or they may well strike back, and constant talks of revolt are unhelpful in the extreme....not least, as they know the polling shows, because they have no chance of winning any vote.
what a spineless bunch of wazzocks the blairite wing is, according to the bbc political correspondent last week who couldn't name names but they were major players the "coup" was a done deal and nothing could save Jeremy.
or we end up with the SDP all over again
I'm not convinced that will happen for the simple reason that I don't think the blairites have the backbone or the mass popular support to carry it through. The SDP split came after a decade of infighting between the right and the Bennites and the huge power of the unions. The problem this time is they are not fighting other labour MPs or self interested union leaders, but the wider membership. They can moan all they like about how their party has been taken over by the left, but in reality all that's happened is the membership and grassroots have reclaimed the power that was denied to them under the Blairite regime.
but they were major players the "coup" was a done deal and nothing could save Jeremy.
Which is just nonsense as without a rule change the membership decide the leader and there has been an absolutely huge surge in pro-Corbyn members. This makes him untouchable as Leader in terms of a leadership challenge. They all know this, which is what makes them even more pathetic....
There is nothing they can do other than bitch and moan about it all.
Except they don't have any means to get rid of him. If the membership want him as leader (which over 60% do), he stays.
Party membership ? wider electorate
You can't win general elections by appealing only to the party membership
what a spineless bunch of wazzocks the blairite wing is
When have they ever shown themselves to be anything else? These are people who got involved in politics for the single reason of attaining power and having a nice cushy ego-massaging career. In the end they value their MP's salary and all the perks that come with it more than whatever opinions they have about the leadership or direction of the party.
Party membership ? wider electorateYou can't win general elections by appealing only to the party membership
You also can't get a proper understanding or even fair election if 100% of the media is massively biased against one leader....
So far they said he would never be elected leader of the PLP. He was by a landslide. They said he couldn't last 100 days. He did. They said Labour would be wiped out in the local elections. They weren't. They said he could never win a general election......
Chins up - JMcD sounded positively upbeat as the party had avoided the thumping that he claimed many had predicted. Truly now a party of aspiration and ambition!! 😉
Bit of a shame that the Lib Dems are all but forgotten as our two main parties are in pretty sad states. Guess we get what we deserve....
