[Closed] Jade Goody

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it is increasingly hard to ignore - despite best efforts, avoiding the red-tops isn't enough it's everywhere - on the TV, at work, on cycling forums (!)

I think I must have been quite lucky then. I really don't feel like I've had it rammed down my throat - and I actually run a celebrity news website.

Saying that, I don't really leave the house apart from to get food, ride my bike or push a pram around - and I don't read the papers or celeb rags (they're old news from a web POV).

But if you lot think there have been some unpleasant things on here, you should have seen some of the deeply disturbing comments I've removed from Jade stories. Some would make you shiver.

I think I must have been quite lucky then. I really don't feel like I've had it rammed down my throat - and I actually run a celebrity news website.

The only real thing to do is to offer sympathy to those that new her, loved her and have lost her.

Make sure you offer the same to the families and friends of the couple of thousand other people who died yesterday.

I am sure that that will mean a great deal to them.

That probably means you have a rather higher "Jade Goody news" irritation threshold than many of the rest of us though.

Very true, it's just work to me.

Still, the intensity of some people's reaction surprises me.

I think they're angry about more than just Jade Goody, but I'm not sure what.

[i]The only real thing to do is to offer sympathy to those that new her, loved her and have lost her.[/i] Maybe we should all chip in and buy some flowers to lay at the 'shrine to Jade' outside her house.

I think they're angry about more than just Jade Goody, but I'm not sure what.

I kind of have a theory about this but it's a bit long-winded. I think it's to do with people feeling profoundly unfulfilled and frustrated with their lives and with our cheapened society in which something like the death of a 'celebrity' famous for being talentless is a national news circus. It's a sort of self-disgust, a sense of 'how did we get here?' I'm sure Alain de Botton could articulate it better.

+100 with corroded

I find this whole thing with Jade Goody really annoying, to the point where I state that I 'hate' her when her name comes up in conversation. But I don't at all, how can I as I've never met her and she's done me no wrong. What I do have a massive issue with is the british media and press who constantly tell me I'm the poorest I've ever been (I'm not), my house is worth less everyday (I'm not selling), my job is at risk (no it isn't) and that muslims can be blamed for the collapse of the british banking system and the death of Diana. Get told enough times that you should be miserable and it gets pretty hard to ignore. Adverts telling you to buy this and that but papers telling you that you can't afford it.

Back to Jade, having read the piece in the telegraph, it seems that she did pretty well for herself, especially from what happened to her earlier in life.
There's a lot of supposedly 'cleverer' people working in banks that have put much more effort into earning much less - who is the biggest fool?

Corroded - You've done a pretty good job there, no need for de Botton.

I'd just add that people are thinking "How did we get here... and why didn't I do anything about it?"

It's like the straw that breaks the camel's back, making people realise that society must be massively misaligned for THIS to be the biggest news story in the country.

BUT... unlike with Princess Di's death, there is already a large and vocal anti- contingent - so you're not viewed as sub-human if you dare to question all the fuss.

In fact, the Beeb (our most publicly accountable broadcaster) seemed to be positively downplaying it when I looked at News 24 yesterday morning.

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Ur computa skilz R sAricn.

On a brighter note this is most likely the last thread we will ever have on jade goody, every cloud and all that.

In fact, the Beeb (our most publicly accountable broadcaster) seemed to be positively downplaying it when I looked at News 24 yesterday morning.

A guy I work with was running a book along with his football mates on the date she would pop off.

I just don't get this celebrity worship thing. Yes, awareness about cervical cancer has been highlighted and that's no bad thing at all, but to me she was just some loudmouth in the right place at the right time when it came to achieving fame.

why is she being called a racist? dont know anything about this, was she a member of the hitler youth?

[i]was she a member of the hitler youth?[/i] No, it was the Klu Klux Klan.

A family tragedy and not a national one. It should have been kept there.

I never saw her wearing a pillow case on her head!
Come on all this racism stuff, what happened?

She refered to an Indian lady called Shilpa Shetty as "Shilpa bleedin Poppadom". This was set against a background of Jade Goody acting in a rather childish, jealous and bullying manner toward the lady in question.

Pretty unsavoury stuff. I'm sure if you You Tube it, you'll find it.

So do you think she's gone for goody then?

IGMC

I think the simple fact that so many people on here who disliked her are going on about the whole thing at all proves why the media hype exists. Love her or hate her, everyone has an opinion and they seem to want to argue about it! If you really don't care, just shut up. I for one thought very little of her but as I have said before it's terribly sad for her children. If you want the media train to stop, then cease filling the internet with your views about her. I'm done. Now move along - nothing to see here.

Very sad for her family, but shouldn't affect anyone else.

One of my work colleagues lost her husband to an aggressive cancer on Friday, I'm still waiting for the PM to announce that he is deeply saddened and speak on behalf of the nation about what a top bloke he was. God isn't Gordon Brown a c@ck

I pay little interest to the culture of celebrity and as such it has only upset me as much as the hundereds of other people I dont know who die each day.

I reckon the majority of the moaners on this thread are just jealous that she made bucket loads of cash in her short time on the planet. Think of all the lycra and bike bits you could buy!

I think the simple fact that so many people on here who disliked her are going on about the whole thing at all proves why the media hype exists.

Smee - Member
Some people may not like her or what she did, but some of the comments above are a little bit below the belt when you consider that she was 27.

A rare gem of commonsense in a thread otherwise filled with mostly infantile drivel.

Infantile drivel which conjures up classic images of puerile teenage boys determined to impress and shock their mates by showing just how cold and unemotional they can be.

Yes Smee some of the stuff on here is undoubtedly below the belt, but that I suspect, is very much the intention.

Infantile drivel which conjures up classic images of puerile teenage boys determined to impress and shock their mates by showing just how cold and unemotional they can be.
some of the stuff on here is undoubtedly below the belt, but that I suspect, is very much the intention.

What is infantile is to allow the tabloid press to act as your emotional barrometer - to have knee jerk reactions to coldly calculated media campaigns designed to elicit certain responses from the hard of thinking so they'll buy more newspapers.

A sharp and skilled operator. Knowing that the British laud ignorance and lack of learning she played up to it, dental nurses tend to have some brain power. It would have been interesting to have seen her in action without the showing off.

...was she a member of the hitler youth?

Nah, that was the Pope.

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Isn't he cute in his little Nazi uniform.

All threads eventually mention Hitler/Nazis, why should this thread be different eh?

All threads eventually mention Hitler/Nazis, why should this thread be different eh?

A sharp and skilled operator. Knowing that the British laud ignorance and lack of learning she played up to it...

you're joking right?
she thought a ferret was a bird and that abscess was a green French drink...

if she cared so much about the cause why didn't she give some of her hard-earned (right?) money to a cancer charity rather than pissing all that she'd milked into her own shallow end of the gene pool?

if her kids end up well-rounded, intelligent, upstanding pillars of the community - if that's still something to aspire to and be proud of in 20 years time - then I'll eat my own feet

it's all thatcher's fault

I have a dilemma now with her funeral on the 4th April - it is the same day as my wedding. Do I cancel the wedding out of respect? Do I just not turn up at the church and line up with all her fans? What if the church is empty due to the overwehlming grief that my guests feels they need to express?

Our baby's due then 🙂

[i]her funeral on the 4th April[/i] Thats a bit of a while to be hanging about, is it not? Is that to give everyone a chance to see her laying in state.

I don't mean to be disrespectful, but the delay may be to allow time for the media rights to be auctioned and arrangements to be made.

Max Clifford was being interviewed on BBC Breakfast news on Sunday morning and said that most of his clients come to him because they are trying to keep out of the limelight. Well that makes him a pretty sh*t PUBLICIST then! What a toatal arse.

GNARGNAR - Member
Is it infantile to........

You want to know what's infantile ? I'll tell you. For a start, comments in your hate filled posts such as this little beauty :

[i]"She should be villified, not praised for her lack of taste, decency and intelligence."[/i]

Not only is that statement utterly absurd and ridiculous, but it suggests a raging anger typical of an immature mind.

Comments like that one and many more on this thread I would associate with the callous, spiteful, hate and anger filled rantings of the school playground.

Death is always tragic, and not less so when it comes to a young mother in a particuarily unpleasent manner. Smee whilst accepting that "some people may not like her or what she did" understood this. It is after all, the grown-up attitude.

Lack of empathy is imo a sign of an immature character. Children lack the empathy of adults, hence they often appear cruel and uncaring of one another's feelings. As children grow up into mature adults, they become much more able to understand and associate with the personal feelings and sufferings of others. IIRC, judging by your attitude on SillyOldHector's thread where he mentioned his devastation due to the loss of a much loved pet, I reckon you've got quite a bit of growing up to do GNARGNAR.

Furthermore, an inability to understand when it is appropriate and when it is not appropriate to launch into a character assassination of an individual, suggests a lack of social skills and a further sign of immaturity. I would suggest that it is not appropriate to do so on the day of the announcement of the person's death.

Which brings me to the astonishing reaction by some, of Gordon Brown's comments. What Gordon Brown said on hearing of the death before her time, of a young mother who was very much in the public eye, was perfectly in keeping with the socially accepted protocol of a man in his position. I can only assume that those who criticised him did so driven by a pathetic and childish need to have a dig at the the leader of the Labour Party. David Cameron also paid tribute to JG, but presumably because he is leader of the Conservative Party, was spared any such criticism.

And before anyone asks yes, the view from my high horse is indeed stunning - some of you ought to get out of the gutter and have a look.

Gus, the sound you can hear is that post being archived for easy reference when Margaret Thatcher dies. 😉

That's twice this week we have agreed on something this week GG.
This thread, like all of its kind, speaks volumes about the posters, and little about the subject.

Jade Goody was chosen by Channel 4 to appear on BB. They knew that her brashness, lack of education etc. would provide good "entertainment".
They then chose to put her in the house again, knowing full well that she may cause controversy.
Jade was an opportunist, and took full advantage of what was thrown at her.
She died an untimely death. She has left behind 2 litle boys who may grow up to be fairly screwed-up.
And all you sanctimonious posters who accuse her of having been racist...what's worse?...sneering at the death of a 27 yr old or making a joke(allbeit bad taste) about someone who got on your nerves????

BigDummy, you obviously haven't religiously read all my posts - and why should you have ? 😯

Unfortunately old posts can't be retrieved, otherwise I would challenge you to find one single post where I had claimed that I would be dancing on her grave - not my style mate.

Thatcher's death will be inconsequential to me. My concern was the damage that she was doing to this country, she is no longer doing that.

I base my politics (hopefully) on a clear and focused class perspective. Silly, childish, and pointless vindictiveness, has no appeal to me.

Fair enough. I do not disagree with you on here either, it is unfortunate that (as was pointed out earlier) something which is on its own terms rather tragic has got so many people thinking about why we are interested in all this stuff. It is rather difficult to do that debate without it getting tangled in nastiness. Ach well.

Grizzlygus, you may well be of the opinion that my statement [i]"suggests a raging anger typical of an immature mind"[/i]. That's your opinion and obviously you're entitled to it, I believe that your statement suggests the crocodile tears of someone who is desperate to claim the moral high ground due to some warped media driven perception of how one should act as opposed to anything resembling genuine grief or sympathy.

Did you know Jade Goody? Did you ever meet Jade Goody? Have you broken down and wept for her? Will you be attending her funeral? Did she "touch your life" in some way? I am assuming the answer to any of those questions would be no. As it would be for the vast majority of people "mourning" her and "paying tribute" to her.

I find the practice of feigning grief for complete strangers laughable and absurd, in my opinion the misplaced, cheaply bought grief of idiots and emotional weaklings distorts and degrades the suffering of those who have actually suffered a loss.

You have no legitimate reasons to feel anything for that woman, all you are doing is joining in with the chorus of bleating sheep, so keen to be seen to care, yet not really giving a shit, not actually feeling any genuine grief and who in all probability will have forgotten the whole episode in a few weeks.

Pathetic.

I'll again repeat what Smee said GNARGNAR. As it's short, simply, and sums it all up :

[b]"Some people may not like her or what she did, but some of the comments above are a little bit below the belt when you consider that she was 27."[/b]

Try to get your head round that concept, if you can.

Cancer sucks. Biochemically it's amazing.

I think for anyone to have it will have everyones sympathy.

I never knew or heard about Jade Goodey till recently. Same with Di-I will not weep or mourn. I'm no sheep/media follower!

What about all the people who have cancer-should we put them on tv/media too?

27 is young but so is 5yrs and 60yrs, millions of people have it.
Media has ploughed JG into your heads and you're all suckers for it.

I just hope the attention raises funds and awareness for charitable causes.

Someone died young leaving her children without a mother...some of us think this is a shame and a little sad. We have not met her does it matter?Now let me give you some choices
I have not met my work coleagues mum who died recently on being told by her do I
1.Offer symapthy to her and chip in for the flowers
2. Say it is not my Mum why the **** are you telling me , we have not met and i am totally unaffected by this news and by the way the workplace is no place for crying

What should we do? the choice seems so difficult I hate these moral dilemma

Being angry at the media ia one thing lacking empathy and some basic human compassion is another thing.

Moderators if your reading perhaps you could put a cap on my thread, as it doesn't seem to be going anywhere.

Oooooh god...........I just realised she was 27. She was on the telly too wasn't she? I've just realised that I am in fact a monster for making insensitive comments about a complete stranger who had no bearing on my life whatsoever.

Suddenly the enormity of the concept becomes apparent to me and grief crushes me like an elephant dropped from a hot air balloon. I feel an inexplicable sense of guilt, I shall go and cry. Thank god you quoted smee, in bold, or I would never have experienced this epiphany.

Your childishness knows no bounds, eh gnargnar ?

This thread, like all of its kind, speaks volumes about the posters, and little about the subject.

grizzlygus
Your childishness knows no bounds, eh gnargnar ?

I am childish. You are mature.I am evil. You are good. I am dumb. You are clever. I am wrong. You are right. Popular opinion is against me. Popular opinion is with you.

I'll just back to the shadows along with the silent majority and leave the rest of the nation to grieve. Over and out.

tails - Member

Moderators if your reading perhaps you could put a cap on my thread, as it doesn't seem to be going anywhere.

i'd say we're learning huge amounts about some of the members on this site.

They are far better people than Jade Goodey who die everyday without any comment made, its sad for her kids and family and that's about it. Some people make more over celebs (strangers)dying than they do over members of there their own family, now that's tragic!

Thank god I have an off button on my telly and dont have to buy newspapers then....

When Diana died the constant media coverage really irritated me, but this was mainly due to the disgusting disproportionate coverage of Mother Theresa's death which ocurred at almost the same time.

At the time my 30 year old sister bought the big colour photo book, and went and followed the cavalcade when Diana died, she never mentioned her before, to me this was insane, mass hysteria.

But I think people like to be told what to think by the media, what to talk about with their peers, how to feel about things, and enjoy the feeling of community they get from shared "grief" wether it is based on real feeling or not.

Either way its a bit harsh to slate Jade the individual, she made a career out of nothing, and I dont think she has cheapened anyones experience of Cancer, they are probably too busy worrying about their own disease to be insulted....

I dont understand the Sun reading mentality, so I dont read it.

I have not met my work coleagues mum who died recently on being told by her do I
1.Offer symapthy to her and chip in for the flowers
2. Say it is not my Mum why the **** are you telling me , we have not met and i am totally unaffected by this news and by the way the workplace is no place for crying