Discuss.
Dragons rule, so Ivor.
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Thomas all the way for me. Ivor is ok as a quick distraction but doesn't offer complete milieu of Sodor 🙂
Thomas but in team James, gotta love that naughty red train.
Thomas, my lads middle name.
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Chuggington
Ivor is the living personification of a true working class hero and icon of the people and the proletariat where as Thomas is about a pen pushing middle management Cameron like aspirational tory used to keep the masses in their place.
or one, these trains perform tasks dictated by their imperious, little white boss, Sir Topham Hatt (also known as The Fat Controller), whose attire of a top hat, tuxedo and big round belly is just a little too obvious. Basically, he's the Monopoly dictator of their funky little island. Hatt orders the trains to do everything from hauling freight to carrying passengers to running whatever random errand he wants done, whenever he wants it done – regardless of their pre-existing schedules.Inevitably, the trains get in a fight with or pick on one another (or generally mess up whatever job they are supposed to be doing) until Hatt has to scold one of them about being a "really useful engine", because their sole utility in life is their ability to satisfy his whims. Yeah, because I want to teach my kid to admire a controlling autocrat.
Ivor for me. The Rev did preach too much IMHO.
Thomas is about a pen pushing middle management Cameron like aspirational tory used to keep the masses in their place.
Nonsense, they were all scousers. 😉
Ivor together with Jones the Steam, definitely.
Oliver Postgate or Ringo Starr - no contest.
Ivor all the way.
Ivor
We (my daughters and I) are big Ivor fans, which pisses my husband off because he hates the welsh. But admits a grudging happiness whilst watching any episodes..
[quote=Junkyard ]Ivor is the living personification of a true working class hero and icon of the people and the proletariat where as Thomas is about a pen pushing middle management Cameron like aspirational tory used to keep the masses in their place.
"when the good engines pump out white smoke and the bad engines pump out black smoke – and they are all pumping out smoke – it's not hard to make the leap into the race territory."
only if you're desperately trying to be offended 😆
Those who watch the Big Bang Theory may know of the period during which Howard manages to turn absolutely any conversation in to a mention of how he went to space.
This is how I see Junky, able to make absolutely any topic political!
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Thomas. My eldest son watched nothing else when he was a kid.
I called my boy Thomas, but he is wearing Ivor the Engine socks today, with little dragons on.
Ivor for the win
Ivor, no question. For a number of reasons but perhaps chief amongst them the fact that it had moments where it was truly beautiful, a real visual treat.
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Yeah. But Ivor is just betterer aracer.
Ivor on telly, Thomas in the books.
The Thomas drawings were pretty good in some of the nicher books-
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Got to be Ivor, there's no comparison.
😆 @ Junky's analysis of it though.
Ivor, for the reasons JY quoted 🙂
Ivor.Disappointed to google that it was made in a cow shed in Kent, not deep in the valleys!
My heart was stolen from the moment Postgade described it as the top left hand corner of Wales!
such wonderful moments - recovering the sheep from the snow drift, Ivor singing with the choir, Idris sleeping in the firebox, wonderful, just wonderful
😆 @ CFH - the thought had crossed my mind...
Skarloey & Rheneas
just because they're the coolest names ever.
will.
Old thomas or new Thomas? The new stuff is all a bit plasticky and modern. Loved the old original books. But have a soft spot for Ivor too.
Watch Ivor, read the old books. The good Rev Audry was a vicar round this way and his old parish church paid tribute when they restored some windows.
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The new Thomas stuff is awful. The old books are ace however, and the old TV stuff pretty true to them
Old Thomas on vinyl narrated by Johnny Morris, diggedy-di, diggedy- da, diggedy-di, diggedy-da
Ivor all the way - Jones the Steam and Idris the dragon.
@ dbcooper - your husband sounds like a right charmer.
Ivor, any series with a singing dragon is a winner in my book.
When I was a little lad I loved the rev Audrey books but we never went on about Thomas. He was a bit part player. Things went steeply downhill when he came to the fore. The old illustrations were marvellous.
Ivor was cool too... like Under Milk Wood on acid.
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Thomas made a crucial mistake. Ivor it is.
Ivor The Engine, no question. Everything about it is brilliant, the design, the animation, the characters and stories and narration, the whole world it's based in - it's all just lovely. I'll happily sit down and watch a bit of Ivor with my lad any time.
Thomas The Tank Engine, on the other hand, is populated by sociopathic little shits in engine form, constantly looking to get one over on each other, bullying the weak, causing disaster by ignoring instructions, and generally screwing things up. The whole world is based on a nasty, rigid Little England morality that borders on medieval. I had no idea how vile Awdry's creation really was until I started reading the original stories to my train-obsessed little boy, and the modernised version aren't much of an improvement. On top of that, nowadays it's mostly a massive merchandising-driven pester-power cash-cow, just tons of low-quality, shoddy plastic crap foisted on the world. I think we've managed to pretty much can the nasty little sods now our boy's moved on to real steam engines and proper Hornby, thank god.
I've thought about this at some length over the past few years, as you can probably tell. I could write several thousand words on the subject if necessary but I'll spare you...
Ivor Wins hands down...
Thanks for that jhj, lifechanging.
Surely it has to [url= http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/5672171/thomas-the-tank-engine-is-merciless-and-bigoted-thats-why-kids-love-it/ ]Thomas the Tank Engine[/url] for its good honest Tory values of beating and intimidating conformity and obedience in to wilful tank engines and trampling the personality and imagination out.
Oliver Postgate would never have walled Ivor the Engine up in a tunnel and left him for dead. Namby pamby educated leftwing ****er. 🙂
I refuse to choose!
You are Nick Clegg and paddy can eat your hat *
Not an euphemism
Ivor is far, far better whilst on mushrooms.
In retrospect, Ivor, but at the time probably Thomas. There were more books and TV episodes and the TV show was a giant train set!
On another level, it's the dulcet tones of Ringo Starr vs
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On the subject of kid's books about vehicles, does anyone remember Mojo Swoptop or Gumdrop?
Ivor or Thomas?
After a reconsideration: neither 😉
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Most STW response ever, that. "What train is better, Ivor or Thomas?" "Jase and the Wheeled Warriors obviously"
Ivor, of course. Duw, duw.
Ivor all the way, no question.
Ivor.
It's the sheeeeep