[Closed] It's World Vegan Day

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The biggest thing I hate is when meat eaters feel they have to argue, prod and interrogate me about what I eat.

thi is what generally happens

1. What do you eat
2. Why
3. A discussion on protein - they have no idea how much protein you need per day but they are sure you dont get enough- or some such other health angle they dont get - quite often from folk as svelte and healthy as binners.
4. I could never be a vegan because - list all the meat they like- though apparently only we go on about it/our diet.
5. Do you wear leather shoes etc
6. Why do you [ or someone else]- something pointless

Its not all the time[ 15% ish?] but these threads show you ho often meat eaters just want to have a go - ever read one where they were not ?

The worst I ever got [ at work] was accused of child abuse for making my kids be vegan.

Junkyard - I was making the point about vegetarianism, not veganism. I accept there are more people that would be more likely to prod someone about veganism.

It's definitely worse when you're vegan, but I do find that people can take an intrusive level of interest in my dietary choices even as a veggie.

I find telling them to keep their ****ing nose out of my business works pretty well, but then I'm lucky, I don't particularly like people anyway.

I miss bacon. Actually I don’t but someone had to say it. I actually miss doner kebabs, but can now just about replicate them with fake chicken from the Chinese supermarket so it’s not as bad these days.

Unlike JY I’m not much of a vegetable fan and regard myself as a connoisseur of processed fake meat. The most amusing thing is how some people can’t get their head around me eating meat flavour crisps.

I've been vegan so long I can hardly remember eating non-vegan food so I don't really miss it.
Vegan things I miss are: Vegebanger mix - since its discontinuation no other sausage mix has come close and vege sausages nowadays are all frozen palm oil and tvp concoctions, and Cauldron Foods smoked tofu - other smoked tofus are available still but that stuff was food of the gods
I like simple bold flavours, carbs, generous use of olive oil, things containing lots of alliums and umbellifers, things you can serve with roast potatoes, chilli, garlic and fresh thyme.
I imagine trying to please children is a nightmare.

The most amusing thing is how some people can’t get their head around me eating meat flavour crisps.

And won’t eat cheese and onion (veggies anyway)

Recently I had to share an office for a while with a couple of "meat scientists". They were really nice and we got on fine.

I imagine trying to please children is a nightmare

Last time i asked them what they wanted as a treat they agreed on apple and fenel salad - I suspect that is rather uncommon.

Certainly had a lot less problems than meat eating friends....could be luck, could be great parenting I genuinely dont know.

I don't think I could ever be full vegan unless I had to for medical reasons (if that's even a thing) but I do like to (mostly) ensure the food I consume comes from reputable sources where welfare is high priority. If it is a choice between eating a vegan meal or eating cheap crap meat then I'll choose vegan.

JY - we’re all just jealous of your long flowing locks and boyish good looks, and our inner rage at the injustice of it all compels us to drown our sorrows, crying into our steak bakes and sausage butties

ensure the food I consume comes from reputable sources where welfare is high priority.

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Why would you get pissy about someone trying to find out more about what being vegan invloves?

Anway I had some Vegan Brownies from a friend a few months back, he was very happy to share why he went vegan and what it involves. He didn’t get pissy about and gave a very good insights, he misses bacon though.

I have nothing against vegans as a group, but I detest the ones that like to force it on you, my wife's friend turned vegan last year, and tried to convert my wife, and along the way myself too by sending far left vegan videos to my wife with the line make Jim watch this!
I'm all for folks making their own choices in life, if I want to try something I'll look in to it, but try and force something on me and it just gets my back up.

Why would you get pissy about someone trying to find out more about what being vegan invloves?

It often goes like this (at least in our family and certain friends)

'I just don't get it?'
'You don't have to, really - I'll just have the vegetables'
'No, but I mean, you say you love animals but what difference does one person make? If you don't buy meat then someone else will'
(Thinks - this again? We went through this last asked, but hey-ho here we go) 'You could say that about a lot of things, I mean, why don't you drop litter, or buy illicit drugs - I mean because others will continue to do it regardless we all have our own choices about what buy, not buy, support/not support?'
'Now that's just being ridiculous'
'Well, you did ask'
'I couldn't do it, I mean I just couldn't'
'Not asking you to'
'I could never give up bla bla bla'
'No, of course'
'I mean, what do you eat? I don't even understand that fake meat , if you don't want to eat meat why eat fake meat?'
'I like eggs, some meat, especially fish and cheese. I do/did like the taste. And I sometimes eat goats cheese that our friend makes, and eggs from a local supplier where I can see the chickens are happy.
'See, that doesn't make sense!'

Etc,

Etc

Etc.

With the general unspoken but inferred, s****ing focus being on what a total PITA the family 'pet vegan' is for their choice not to eat the frikkin cheese or meat. That's two types of food that our family cannot seem to do without. As (mostly) vegans we eat a list of foodstuffs as long as both our arms while the family eat mostly potatoes, pastry, cheese and meat. But we are the 'awkward' ones for eating a wider variety of 'foreign muck'. We also take our own food to family get-togethers - this is met with the conspiratorial 'looks' between the self-appointed 'normals'. Best to just stay away and 'face the music' from afar.

There I went against my better judgment and posted, gargh!

The worst I ever got [ at work] was accused of child abuse for making my kids be vegan.

It can be and has been prosecuted as such. If your kids are not being fed the right nutrients which you can't get from a vegan diet then you are not doing your duty as a parent. I don't force my kids to eat meat but the eldest doesn't eat beef so supplement his diet with extra protein, thiamine and DHA.

The problem is alot of vegans (historically aswell) have basically knackered it for everyone else: taking themselves way too seriously, defining themselves by their dietary choices and the end result is they get the piss ripped out of them. Just stop banging on about it, it makes you look mad!! Same with the roadies who will act like arseholes at any excuse: you do us no favours! Wouldn't make my kids be vegan though.

Same with the roadies who will act like arseholes at any excuse: you do us no favours!

Yeah there's nothing worse than being a cyclist. Just ask those sensible anti-cyclists who have latched on to 'those that do us no favours'

And around it goes.

Best thing to do is say

[s]'I have to ride a bicycle because the doctor recommended it[/s] I can't eat animal products because I have a medical condition'

Problem solved.

Worst of the lot are those who campaign in support of increased [s]cycling[/s]animal welfare. They make me want to [s]drive a belching V8 to the local shop on the corner every day just for a cheap sausage roll[/s] throw a half-digested bacon sarnie up on their self-righteous plate. Or sneak some meat gravy into their bleating mouth. They give the rest of them a bad name.

I can see why you would in that case Malvern but asking genuine questons like JY posted less so.

It can be and has been prosecuted as such

Meat eaters lose their kids due to malnutrition it does not mean the diet per se is child abuse. Think FFS

If your kids are not being fed the right nutrients which you can't get from a vegan diet

I don't force my kids to eat meat but the eldest doesn't eat beef so supplement his diet with extra protein, thiamine and DHA.

Vegan for two years here and I don't miss meat, eggs or dairy at all. Being vegan has made my life simpler because I usually only have a couple of options to choose from when eating out. I also feel 'better' physically, mentally and emotionally for having made the switch.

I cook a lot of Mexican style food - the books Thug Kitchen and Vegan Tacos are awesome.

Actually scrap that I can now see why you might get pissy sometimes.

Junkyard, b12 deficiency affecting your ability to spot a troll? 😉

POssibly 😳 lets see if he takes the edinburgh route 😉

This place does appear to be less bright than it used to perhaps its just that I am more gullible to the troll

The problem is alot of vegans (historically aswell) have basically knackered it for everyone else

News flash: It's not knackered, it's never been easier to be vegan and don't worry, your kids will tell you when they're ready 8)

If your kids are not being fed the right nutrients which you can't get from a vegan diet

Whilst not wanting to engage with such bellendery, it's possibly worth telling the story of when my Mrs asked the GP for advice on both our kids being vegan (they're 13 and 10 now and still alive strangely). The GP said that compared to some of the specimens that crossed her path who are fed on big macs and chicken nuggets, our kids were perhaps the healthiest she'd ever seen and that we really shouldn't worry about any diet related problems.

Interestingly our kids are also the least fussiest eaters I know. I'm not wholly claiming that's down to being vegan but it's probably a big part of it. Also good parenting I guess, which is probably another vegan trait 😉

Interestingly our kids are also the least fussiest eaters I know.

Gonna call bullshit.

Kids are weird. My (vegan) 4 yo is super fussy, probably should be a meat eater tbh as he loves his fake cheese slices and tofu chorizo etc. But he'll down an enormous portion of chana masala which an adult would struggle to finish....

Interestingly our kids are also the least fussiest eaters I know. I'm not wholly claiming that's down to being vegan but it's probably a big part of it.

Funny that as my kids are exactly the same but not vegan.

Gonna call bullshit.

Ok, they won't eat mushrooms. Even if I chop them really small. Thai, chinese, mexican, indian, pretty much any vegetable (apart from mushrooms), tofu etc they'll eat the lot with no complaints. They main thing they won't eat is fake meat, which is a shame cos I do a great fake doner kebab but you can't have it all.

Remind me again, why do we need to bait other peoples choices all the time?

Same reason that some motorists bait cyclists: it's a minority group making a different choice.

Ok, they won't eat mushrooms.......

.....and

Chicken Korma?
Lamb Bhuna?
Beef Madras?

Kids are weird... fake cheese slices

Ours prefer the fake ones to the real ones. Now that is very weird.

.....and

They'll eat veggie versions of all of those. Korma not so much as usually it has cream in it, but it's not spicy enough for them anyway.

Conversely my niece eats meat and all she will eat is pepperoni pizzas and chips. Not sure if that proves anything though.

Same reason that some motorists bait cyclists: it's a minority group making a different choice.

but it's not spicy enough for them anyway.

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"extreme" fussy eaters.

I do a great fake doner kebab

Oh? How?

[i]thi is what generally happens

1. What do you eat
2. Why
3. A discussion on protein - they have no idea how much protein you need per day but they are sure you dont get enough- or some such other health angle they dont get - quite often from folk as svelte and healthy as binners.
4. I could never be a vegan because - list all the meat they like- though apparently only we go on about it/our diet.
5. Do you wear leather shoes etc
6. Why do you [ or someone else]- something pointless[/i]

This is scarily accurate. I also have a colleague who tells me lurid tales of when he worked in an abattoir. To be fair he's always a massive ****, not just about veganism 🙂

http://www.worldometers.info/bicycles/

Ok it's from 2012 but this is a bit more relevant to the UK...

https://www.cyclinguk.org/resources/cycling-uk-cycling-statistics

Quite interesting reading too.

thi is what generally happens

Oh yes, and this 🙂 Funny to be asked where vegans get their calcium from if they don't drink milk, from people who's only intake of milk is a couple of cups of tea a day. And I'm not sure where the stereotype of vegans who like to advertise the label comes from. Most vegans I know really don't want to talk about it, mostly as the conversation is so tediously predictable.

thi is what generally happens

We're not all like that. A new member of staff told me she was vegan, so I stopped asking if she wanted milk in her tea. She doesn't comment on my diet so I don't comment on hers.

Oh? How?

So the key thing is to find some veggie chicken that is firm and can be sliced thin like doner meat. I find the best stuff is something called 'gourmet's vegi chicken' which can sometimes be found in chinese supermarkets. The only place I've found it is in W.H Lung's in Manchester next to the University (it's in a chicken shaped packet - honestly!). You do thin slices then marinate it with olive oil, pepper, a touch of cumin and oregano (think this is right, but it's from memory so check on the internet, there's plenty of recipes for the marinade). Then you grill it til it starts to go crispy at the edges. Serve with a naan and the usual salad and chilli sauce of choice and you have a fairly convincing Doner.

If you're near manc a visit to Lung's is well worth it. It's a goldmine of fake meat products, everything from chicken (multiple types), lobster, fish, duck, prawns and god knows what else. They had something called 'vegetarian bowel' once. I wasn't brave enough to try that 🙂

are the ingredients in English on them?

Youngest will likely enjoy this me less so

Yeah. Most of it is vegan. Some is veggie as it has milk protein in it.