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So many threads on here throwing all kinds of hatred towards our loving, caring Government. What will happen in 2024?
Barring the close relatives of the Mogg Man, who in all good conscience could still find it in in their (stone dead) heart to vote Tory?
Surely we won't forget all of this by then....
Where will you put your X?
We'll all be voting the way the Bots want us to
There will be no vote then, the general franchise will have been revoked, only toffs and Tories will be able to vote by then.
The UK Government is seemingly set on undermining or removing all the constitutional normal practice so that voting won't matter much. The opposition will have no relevance, a majority will hand the PM executive power without meaningful oversight and boundary changes will have meant that the Tories can win with a tiny proportion of the vote.
Scotland will have voted to be independent, there'll have been a border poll leading to a United Ireland.
Where will you put your X?
Yes, I would like an Independent Scotland to rejoin the European Union
My current constituency is blue first, with a reasonable but not insurmountable gap to red.
I'll be voting red, hopefully without holding my nose in repulsion at myself like I did when voting for Corbyn last time.
Its a choice between sectarian or sectarian for me.
I'll go green (environmental) if there is one. Unlikely. Or there will be a united ireland and i'll do the same.
Depends on whos to vote for and what policies they stand for at the time are.
Whoever is most likely to beat the incumbent Conservative MP. Except UKIP.
Anyone but Gove. But history has shown that this forum is in no way a reliable electoral barometer so not sure what you're hoping this thread will achieve?
Hopefully I won't be eligible for a vote by that time as negotiations towards Scottish independence progress
I'm waiting to text in my vote on Britain's Got Politics.
Or maybe I'll light my Molotov for Britain's Got Issues.
Tory, of course.
Only joking!
Well, or the last few I've been voting in the Cotswolds, where they could affix a blue rosette to a turd and it would still be returned as the Conservative MP. I've always voted Lib Dem there (because, honestly, it didn't really matter)
In 2024 I'll probably be voting in Macclesfield, which is still pretty Tory but with the slightest chance of a swing towards Labour. So, probably be Labour for me, as a tactical vote (assuming they still have someone competent in charge).
thepurist - not sure I'm expecting this or any other thread to 'achieve' much tbh. Your comment about reliable electoral barometer was the catalyst for posting however.
Was curious as to whether we really are a bunch (maybe 90%) of anti-Tory lefties or whether most recent politcal (and policy related) threads indicate a sea change within the greater population? In other words, are many people regretting their 2019 electoral choices?
I do realise that asking on here if 'here' is representative is a little naive...
So, probably be Labour for me, as a tactical vote
Think carefully about that. I go it wrong once and have felt a bit guilty to say the least.
IHN - I'll double your Macclesfield Labour vote!! That will steam roller the Tories out!
What a bloody pointless thread.
Instant arguments
What oldbloke says.
Plus I live in a constituency that hasn't not been a Conservative landslide since the boundaries were drawn in 1950. So it really doesn't matter unless somehow the other parties decide to put differences aside and work together, and even then it would be really difficult to get over the line.
Why pointless weeksy?
I'm interested in ideology versus performance? What does it take in order for one's mind to be changed?
We saw a lot of Red votes 'being loaned' to the Tories at the last election. Ignoring the likelihood that these votes will be reversed, could we see a 'loan' in the other direction?
How bad does an imcumbant Government have to be in order for their own to turn against them? Are we there yet? Is there time for the Tories to recover, with or without 'the man of the people' leading them?
Depends on whos to vote for and what policies they stand for at the time are.
Is the correct answer.
Though it'll take some serious effort from the blue corner for me to not vote Labour.
Depends on whos to vote for and what policies they stand for at the time are.
With no regard to what they’ve done previously? Voting for what the current lot stand for at a given time may change by the time you’ve left the polling booth, if doing so suits their own self interest.
Politics hasn’t been an honourable pursuit for decades, to think that will change anytime soon is somewhat naive, IMO.
Not much of a choice unless FPTP ends, I doubt I will ever vote blue again.
Plus I live in a constituency that hasn’t not been a Conservative landslide since the boundaries were drawn in 1950.
Snap.
Cotswold-ish area. Round here we had an actual turd with a blue badge win last time.
What a bloody pointless thread.
Instant arguments
What a weird thing to say
With no regard to what they’ve done previously?
Will prevent me from doing this:
still pretty Tory but with the slightest chance of a swing towards Labour. So, probably be Labour for me, as a tactical vote
This seat is Tory. Labour could theoretically take it with a big swing, but I'll be voting LibDem after Starmer voted for the Brexit deal last week.
Depends on whos to vote for and what policies they stand for at the time are.
This.
However, i live in a hard Tory constituency (Orpington) which realistically will never turn red.
Despite being a little 'right of centre' I think the current lot need removing from power as they are a sham and an embarrassment - If Starmer is still in charge he'll get my vote.
My votes would be
Yes leave UK.
Yes rejoin the EU if they'll have us.
Then anyone but the SNP because I don't trust flag wavers.
I expect I'll be voting for Boris because he's done a really good job so far.
So many threads on here throwing all kinds of hatred towards our loving, caring Government. What will happen in 2024?
Barring the close relatives of the Mogg Man, who in all good conscience could still find it in in their (stone dead) heart to vote Tory?
Surely we won’t forget all of this by then….
Where will you put your X?
you must have learned your survey techniques from that road user survey the other day 🙂
Do we have a Single Transferrable Vote yet?
Greens? Yellows? Reds to keep the Blues out?
I expect I’ll be voting for Boris because he’s done a really good job so far.
due to the somewhat hostile reception to anyone who suggests they've voted conservative on here in the past, I'd be surprised if anyone claims that on this thread, but we'll see.
fwiw I don't believe the current lot have excelled, but I doubt those who voted for them think they've done a particularly poor job either..
I plan on voting Labour. But I suspect I would vote for whoever is in a good position to stop the seat returning a Conservative MP. I fully expect this seat to return a Conservative MP though, and, now we don’t have MEPs, to have no one I have voted for to represent me. Trying asking for help or representation from our current Tory MP… he just doesn’t do that job at all.
IN my case, any vote is pointless, one of the safest blue seats in the country. I won't be voting blue, but not red either as that is just a waste of time.
Anyone who thinks that Scotland (or NI) will have left the Union by then are just dreaming. By 2024 the SNP will be under new leadership, Labour must be in a better state than under Comrade Corbyn and the LDs still won't matter. Unless BJ totally messes up the next few years, it will be a blue government with a far smaller majority.
Remember that last time the Conservative Party won the popular votes with 43.6% of it (56.2% of the MPs), Labour with 32.2% (31.1 of the MPs), LD with 11.6 (1.75% of the MPs) and SNP 3.9% (7.4% of the MPs). It will take a huge political swing to not have a blue government.
IHN – I’ll double your Macclesfield Labour vote!! That will steam roller the Tories out!
Let’s make it three! Tis the magic number after all.
I expect I’ll be voting for Boris because he’s done a really good job so far.
Bit early to be on the hard stuff or had you just got in from a big Sunday out?
due to the somewhat hostile reception to anyone who suggests they’ve voted conservative on here in the past, I’d be surprised if anyone claims that on this thread, but we’ll see.
I mentioned this last week in a non-political way.
On a “what do you carry on rides” thread about 10% mentioned first aid of any kind.
On the same day, a thread “do you carry a first aid kit” had almost a unanimous yes
Leading questions get the answer they want.
I expect I’ll be voting for Boris because he’s done a really good job so far.
Colour me surprised.
I'll be voting whatever the best choice is for keeping the Tories out, I don't actually know since moving but I expect it'll be Labour. If Boris is still PM in the next three months let alone the next three years I will be astonished.
Whoever is most likely to beat the incumbent Conservative MP. Except UKIP.
This +1.
by 2024 I expect us ( Scotland) to have left the UK and the next Scottish elections not due for another year. so i won't be voting in Westminster elections
Lord Buckethead if I’m still living in the UK.
Labour, though I'd vote tactically to get the local Tory MP out obvs.
That said, not a chance in hell she'll be voted out.
Not because it's posh here, it's not on the whole but because so many that frankly should be voting Labour/ Lib dems are so utterly disenfranchised they just don't vote.
So.... It'll still be Tory here for many moons to come.
Boris's forehead to give the sniper a better chance....
Just joking brexity folks.
I have come to a realisation that may, or may not, have merit.
If you attained 'political consciousness' in the 70's, the Winter of Discontent will be your defining moment - the rubbish in the streets, the unburied dead, the 'Labour's Not Working' of it all. You might think that, come what may, you'd never, ever, vote Labour again.
If you came to the party in the 80's, the Entire Disaster of the Thatcher Years, and the 'No Such Thing As Society', and the ditching-of-full-employment-in-favour-of-low-inflation ethos screwed your entire family to the wall, you might not ever, ever, vote Conservative again.
Then it becomes a simple numbers game.
Which begins with: who has the Millennials?
Which is far from simple.
https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1346101605758881797?s=19
Tories seem to have a knack of being awful but keeping the public on side.
Starmer is just not the one to take this battle. (He never was.) He keeps sticking that flag in the background though.
Not because it’s posh here, it’s not on the whole but because so many that frankly should be voting Labour/ Lib dems are so utterly disenfranchised they just don’t vote.
This is the big challenge, it's up to everyone (who wants a change in government) to gently dig into these people to find out why they feel so unempowered and convince them voting does make a huge difference to the direction of the country.
Explaining how other parties are more (or less) likely to solve their issues and concerns should be something that's done consistently, not just 6 weeks up to an election
I have come to a realisation that may, or may not, have merit.
Inertia is a problem, isn't it. I wonder how many people vote for [party] for no other reason than that's what they've always done? I'd bet it's a fair old percentage.
Religion and politics. You don't get many Christian folk of Muslim parentage, or vice versa.
If you attained ‘political consciousness’ in the 70’s, the Winter of Discontent will be your defining moment –
For me it was actually the rise of the BNP and other neo fascist groups in the 70s that was what brought me into political thinking
I can’t say now who I will vote for in 3 years time.
Or is this just a thinly vailed the Tories are terrible, labour are wonderful thread?
To me labour has the starting of a good leader but no support team.
Yes labour will probably get in because the shitty impact of Brexit has hit home and people are stupid and will blame borris, and a pandemic will have caused massive economic problems and the public will want someone to blame (borris)
Despite my joke earlier about voting for Boris because he’s done such a good job, it’s hard to imagine any of the other parties or their leaders doing much better than Boris and the Tories.
Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland are run by other parties but are also riddled with Covid and making last-minute decisions.
And anyway, by 2024 we should be living off the fat of a post-Covid, post-Brexit economic boom, in which case the issue is probably moot.
I can just about claim to be a millennial. Always worth remembering that the older ones like me turned 18 in 2001 so are now close to 40.
I have vague memories of John Major but really the positive mood that came with the election of Blair. His later years were dominated by 9/11 and the Iraq war. There was then Brown, the financial crash which affected post degree job hunting. A bit of a general upswing but very conscious of Tory austerity measures. A brief flurry of popularity with Nick and the Lib Dems but they never recovered from the u turn on tuition fees. Cameron seemed ok, a change was needed after labour had been in power for so long. It all went tits up at that point.
Not sure what people think of the immigration/nationalism/Brexit. My friends were mostly remain but not representative.
Plenty of us rode out the 2008 crash although we're hit by the high costs of housing - not sure if that was blamed on a government.
I'd say many of my friends lean towards a liberal, socially conscious approach that would mean labour/lib Dems or green. But huge numbers of people are disenfranchised and go the other way to ukip/Tory style offerings. As always it's a battle for the centre ground which is likely why Corbyn was so poorly received.
FunkyDunc - certainly not a Labour is wonderful thread!
I agree with Jonba in that the time of the coalition Government "didn't seem that bad". More in terms of less pettiness and public squabbling in Government and adoption of a more grown up approach to politics. Some poor policies admittedly but they pale into insignificance compared to today's extreme approaches.
The way in which Johnson and his half wit ministers behave is just shocking, Corbyn and his quarter wits even more so. Why are we not seeing any interest at all in the middle ground? Why are the Lib Dems so quiet? Or are they just not getting a platform?
It goes back to the original point, the current Government is shockingly incompetent yet that poll posted above sees no reduction in popularity. Why do 43% of those polled still think they are better off voting for this lot? It must be more than politics, more ambition for 'social postioning'?
However much of a shit show the incumbents preside over, I don't see them being losing the next election. Whatever the economic situation is at the time can be blamed on COVID. Any Brexit deal issues can be blamed on the EU.
Lib Dems would need to take 50 plus seats Tory seats to give Labour any chance of forming a government. It also looks likely that Plaid Cymru and SNP continue to win traditional Labour seats.
Personally I'd like to see more Green party MPs and would consider voting Green.
perchypanther
Free Member
Where will you put your X?Yes, I would like an Independent Scotland to rejoin the European Union
Yes, I would like an Independent Scotland then we'll have a discussion about what the European Union is offering.
joshvegas
Free Member
Yes rejoin the EU if they’ll have us.
Pretty mental attitude that that needs to change.
Any rejoining of the EU will need to be heavily discussed in Scotland and isn't a given imo. As above, depends what they are offering and circumstances at the time.
Still a way to go before 2024 but I can see the Tories winning with ease again - the main thing that was going to trip them up was economic downturn related to Brexit (if they didn't manage to pin it on the EU) but Covid has muddied the waters so much they'll just blame everything bad with the economy on it (for the next few years).
As for my own vote, unfortunately it doesn't really matter whether I vote Labour or Lib Dem, it just splits the vote against the Tories and ensures they keep their healthy margin in my constituency
Lib Dem again, we actually turfed out our idiot of a Tory MP in 2019 and got in a right cracker who's been on it all year, wish she'd gone for leader. Love this town sometimes.
If I lived up North in a Con/Lab marginal I'd vote Labour, but I'm a Lib Dem at heart and I'm lucky enough to have a particularly nice one to vote for down here who's doinga great job so far.
Why are the Lib Dems so quiet?
Because there are so few of them in parliament. Working in coalition resulted in their share of the vote plummeting at subsequent general elections... which means more seats returning Conservative MPs. One of the crazy things that comes out of our first past the post system... voters punish the LibDems for going into coalition with the Tories... and in return they get majority Conservative governments.
Pretty mental attitude that that needs to change.
Any rejoining of the EU will need to be heavily discussed in Scotland and isn’t a given imo. As above, depends what they are offering and circumstances at the time.
How? I would see myself at the moment voting to rejoin the EU how is that a mental attitude to have? It's far less mental than the ignorant selfish ****ing **** sticks that voted us out in the first place.
Of course it would be discussed where did say otherwise?
Why are the Lib Dems so quiet?
A period of rebuilding and reassessment for them along with being totally irrelevant. their only purpose over the last 40 years has been to keep tories in power. either directly or thru splitting the anti tory vote.
Swinson killed the party fortunately so hopefully they will not do this again in any form.
If Labour want even the slightest hint of getting back into number 10, they'd better hope the Lib Dem's recover by 2024 as there are whole swathes of the country that will never go red but may, just, turn yellow.
I suspect that their time will come again as the coalition days eventually fade into the past and the reality of Brexit steadily becomes more apparent. Time will tell.
I voted Conservative, last time. I shall vote Conservative next time also. A principle reason for me is that they support the Union of Countries that makes us the UK and gives us an identity of being British. This is something of which I’m proud. I think all corners of our Islands enrich us cultural and certainly economically. There is no other main stream party that has this in its DNA. So there is no other party to vote for. The arguments of Left and Right are of little meaning these days as the conservatives are a liberal social Democratic Party and the Labour Party are even more so. There is no Nationalist Right wing pure Capitalism Party in the Uk. They are all pro Big Governemnt, and Pro high taxes and Nationalised Health. I’m really not interested in the nuanced arguements about how a Health Service is run. That’s not really a big question in my view.
That’s the beauty of Democracy and the funny thing about these threads as we all have an opinion and you may disagree with mine. But since every post so far seems to be from a Remain voting SNP or Labour supporter, I thought I’d chuck my two pence worth in just so this doesn’t become an echo chamber.
Crippo - interesting. Does the Union issue trump everything for you though? That's what intrigues me, could the Tories do anything that would make you change your alligence? I guess I struggle with one issue politics, whatever flavour.
I would disagree that the current cabinet are liberal, social or democratic but that's an aside. Good Conservative politicians exist but they are ceratinly no longer welcome in Cabinet.
I had a work colleague that voted for Brexit purely because of the fishing issue (which he declared way before it became such a hot topic late on in negotiations) and he had no interest in any other aspect of EU membership or any other pros or cons.
What if the actions of a long run of Conservative governments are exactly what leads to the end of the Union Crippo? Voting “for the Union” isn’t enough to keep it, politicians we elect need to be seen to act for all voters, not just their voters. I’m not sure One Nation Conservatism is still with us.
I do feel strongly that voting is a privilege and we should all vote, but I would genuinely struggle with ticking any box. I do think that the FPTP traditional party system is just out dated and doesn't serve the needs of the country.
But Turkeys don't vote for Christmas so how is anything ever going to change while the self serving 500 or so MPs of all parties decide the rules?
Vive La Revolution!
I struggle with one issue politics, whatever flavour.
Actually I would vote for any party that makes voting and political finance reform the priority. All other problems flow from that IMO, and until it is fixed we are living in an oligarchy pretending to be a democracy.
Crippo
Free Member
I voted Conservative, last time. I shall vote Conservative next time also. A principle reason for me is that they support the Union of Countries that makes us the UK
Yet in a matter of just a few years they have almost guaranteed the break up of that Union. It's actually pretty impressive, more so as it was entirely by mistake. It would be a brave man indeed that would make a bet on the UK being anything other than England and Wales within the next decade.
The Tory party you allude to is no more and a large part of the electorate it has courted really couldn't care less about the Union. In fact I fully expect the government to actively turn on Scotland in short turn as it will desperately need another scapegoat soon.
In short voting Tory in the near past and near future is pretty much assuring the demise of the UK.
I actually do believe in the Union (with the likely exception of the divided Ireland) but see its demise as just another votive offering at the alter of Brexit.
I must say though.... determining who you vote for based on a perceived support of the United Kingdom is pretty much near the bottom of my priority list when deciding. Even as a supporter of the Union I just find it odd.
conservatives are a liberal social Democratic Party
This gave me a chuckle. For sure they're not as extreme as the US GoP but I think that's more to do with them knowing how the UK votes and understanding they have to win the middle ground, for now at least. We're already headed down the Nationalist road and things will get worse the longer the Tories are in power with a significant majority - it's probably only dealing with Covid that's distracted/prevented them from enacting more regressive policies already.
Have refrained from posting on this thread as it's far too easy to let the anger inside me about the current lot out and start ranting. But after reading all of the replies I've decided there is a way out of this come next election.
Voting for whoever gives the best chance of a Labour/Lib Dem coalition.
The last Lib Dem coalition worked well in keeping the Conservatives under control. if that force can be used to combine with Labour against the Conservatives then it should work. It should keep the nasty side of Labour under control and bring out the best in the Lib Dems, that's the theory anyway and without any real alternative it's the best I can come up with!
Whatever the result though it needs to give Boris and co a seriously bloody nose, enough to keep them out for at least 2 terms.
I do feel strongly that voting is a privilege and we should all vote, but I would genuinely struggle with ticking any box. I do think that the FPTP traditional party system is just out dated and doesn’t serve the needs of the country.
+1, it feels pointless to vote for any party that isn't one of the "big two" in many areas of the country. So if live in one of those areas and you don't support one of those two parties then it all just feels futile.
I'll be 47 in a couple of months and am proud to say that I've never voted Conservative, nor for any party to the right of the Lib Dems.
With covid and Brexit so chronically mismanaged it's not enough to see the Tories booted out, I want those who funded this extreme right wing government and the MPs who have habitually misinformed the public to be made an example of. Nothing less will do I'm afraid.
It'll go to one of the blokes making 'In the National Interest' speeches in front of a union flag with funny hair and a shiny suit.
Nothing less will do I’m afraid.
i think you are going to be disappointed...
Tactical, to get the #ToryScum out, then whoever offers best hope of rejoin, then Green, in that order.
Despite my joke earlier about voting for Boris because he’s done such a good job, it’s hard to imagine any of the other parties or their leaders doing much better than Boris and the Tories.
It really isn't, I find it remarkably easy. 😉
The current "tories" aren't much like any kind of previous conservative, they're a reductio ad absurdum of populist, nationalist, soft nazi type starting point. No 'one nation' left in them.
apologies for godwin
Actually I would vote for any party that makes voting and political finance reform the priority. All other problems flow from that IMO, and until it is fixed we are living in an oligarchy pretending to be a democracy.
This.
We'll still be in an ugliarchy, but I'm somewhat convinced that coalitions force cooperation and more sensible discussion, rather than simply scrambling to be not-the-thing-that-the-other-lot-are.
The current “tories” aren’t much like any kind of previous conservative, they’re a reductio ad absurdum of populist, nationalist, soft nazi type starting point. No ‘one nation’ left in them.
This is absolutely true, look out how even all the old 'big beasts' - Heseltine, Clark, Major etc - all of whom were cabinet members in a Thatcher government, so hardly shrinking wets, can't disguise their disgust for the current leadership.
When the votes per seats are so massively out of step with the representation we receive it is never going to be a party that promotes fptp.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/general-election-2019-turning-votes-into-seats/