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@kona 1948 is after WW2, certainly more shortly after than the US invasion of Iraq ! Jordan certainly regarded the West Bank as Jordanian and the Palastinian Liberation Organisation was founded to fight the Jordanians who ran the city. The Jordanians ruled the West Bank for 19 years, isn't that longer than the US has been in Iraq btw ? As I said the West Bank was in Jordan and Gaza in Egypt at the time of the '67 war. Seems an incontrovertible truth to me.
@jhj - You are right time to get back to ISIS. I had a look at the link, I have to say not so interesting to me. I would imagine the US was aware that a civil war in Syria could create a situation where Islamists could flourish in any vacuum. Article is trying to make a lot more of it than that though.
This map is interesting (from Telegrapgh) and to me shows it's inevitable there will be further IS attacks in Europe given the number sympathisers throughout the continent. For every individual who travels to Syria there must be many more still here.
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Jamby and the telegraph is right, we must all live in constant fear of being potentially killed by EVIL MUSLAMIC TERRORISTS, its inevitable that theyll attack us after all!
Yes, silly me, I forgot the mosques are all crammed with BLOODTHIRSTY MEDIEVAL WAHABISTS that warm and friendly weapons purchasing allies SAUDI ARABIA have stoked into a FRENZY!!
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That said, back on the subject of the link I posted earlier, [url= http://en.wikipedia.orgc/wiki/Nafeez_Mosaddeq_Ahmed ]Nafeez Ahmed[/url] certainly seems to know his stuff...
That Telegraph map seems to not have Syria or Iraq on it..?
A fair point Nick but I imagine trying to get the numbers of fighters who have joined ISIS from there would be difficult.
Kimbers I didn't say we had to live in constant fear, those are your words. I worked in London all through the IRA bombing campaigns, I traveled to Saudi when tensions and unrest where very high around the same time a Frank Gardener was shot. I didn't live in constant fear but I was aware and I was cautious. We should expect an ISIS inspired attack in the UK, the security forces are working on that basis.
In France today there is a trial of 14 (I think) Islamic extremists who where members of a banned group who had guns, a bomb manual and a list of Jewish supermarkets and other sites in a file called "targets.txt" (French equivalent of course). The group claims to have firebombed Charlie Ebdo in the past. We should expect similar groups exist in the UK. We shall see what emerges when those recently arrested are tried.
A fair point Nick but I imagine trying to get the numbers of fighters who have joined ISIS from there would be difficult.
But they can give numbers of fighters from Somalia and Libya despite those countries being in chaos and not having functioning governments, how did they manage that?
And what is about Belgians which makes them 4 times more likely to fight for ISIS than Brits ?
Timbuktu. Watched this excellent film last night, Oscar nominated and Cannes festival film entrants about life under ISIS in Mali.
ernie, yes you are right they could make an estimate. If you add up those numbers you get a range of 17,000 to 19,500 roughly. So I understand there are about 30,000 IS fighters so that's 10,000-13,000 from Syria and Iraq or approx 1/3rd. Belgium, my guess is it's the makeup of the the Muslim community perhaps with a more African bias ? Jihadi John wanted to go to Somalia originally, I get a sense the degree of radicalism from that community is even higher.
Wonder if Timbuktu has had the plot manipulated by military think tanks such as the RAND corporation, like The Interview did?
(to be honest, that guy's commentary isn't the best, reading this may be a better bet: http://www.systemiccapital.com/the-interview-plot-crafted-by-rand-state-dept-over-sony-objections/)
How much of the fuss around The Interview and North Korea was a publicity stunt?
Back on topic, would there even be problems with Jihadists in Mali if not for CIA/MI6 destabilization of Muslim countries, fueled by Saudi funded wahabism?
Back on topic, would there even be problems with Jihadists in Mali if not for CIA/MI6 destabilization of Muslim countries, fueled by Saudi funded wahabism?
Yes definitely