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Jeez Tracker, where's the fun & potential to spout ill-founded moans about the legal system in that?
Just beacuse the liebor party have our servicepeople currently engaged in conflicts of questionable moral standing it should not detract from the very good work they do.
Good point backhander.
TJ - last time I drove up to visit my parents, I don't recall having to catch a ferry. They could do a quick patch-up on that wall though, that would keep you nice and safe 😕
liebor
Do you regularly post comments on the Daily Mail site by any chance?
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No.
Do you approve of and support the war in Iraq by any chance?
Grum do you automatically accuse anyone with a dislike of labour of being some kind of "daily mail" (that's getting sooo tired BTW) bigot? Or just anyone who doesn't conform with your own political beliefs?
Sad fact is 100k for this case yet lads and lasses getting injured in the sand have to get pretty badly cut up to get 100k damages.
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Grum do you automatically accuse anyone with a dislike of labour of being some kind of "daily mail" (that's getting sooo tired BTW) bigot?
No it's just the tell tale use of the term 'liebour' - very common on the Daily Mail comments section ;). Do you refer to Tony Blair as Tony Bliar as well?
I'm no fan of New Labour either btw.
Tony Bliar
LOL, how ever did they come up with that one? Genius!! 🙄 🙄
I've never read the mail in my life. The caterers in work buy it and leave it out which I ignore due to;
a) it's shit and more importantly.
b) the rugby section is crap.
They got any names for brown I can nick?
Interesting comment on one of the sunday morning political shows the other week "of course, the reason why Germany are coming through the recession so well is because they don't have to pay for armed forces".
Not saying it's true or I agree, but something to think about.
I would think all the Army have to do in above case is show that they have also put male and white soldiers on a charge for failing to report due to childcare issues - although as many of said there is likely more to it than the BBC article.
there is likely more to it than the BBC article.
Don't worry, we'll get all the 'facts' once Max Clifford has negotiated a suitable deal with one of the Sunday papers.
Who pays for the bundeswehr?
They are more than twice the size of our army.
Woody - MemberTJ - last time I drove up to visit my parents, I don't recall having to catch a ferry. They could do a quick patch-up on that wall though, that would keep you nice and safe
Que? what on earth?
Backhander - I could be wrong, but aren't all German citizens obliged to do National Service ? I met a German guy while travelling (1995 ?), and he had opted to spend some time looking after a disabled person instead.
I'm not an expert, I just thought it was an interesting comment.
Lol at the Hadrian's wall comment - you know the funny stories your parents tell you when you are a kid that you think are true ? My dad told me they made that wall to keep the Scots in (he was Scots) and I believed this for many years until I went to Uni.
you mean it was actually to keep the Romans out ?
True hels, but they still get paid. Quarter of a million troops and associated equipment don't come cheap.
Having said that, they aren't committed to as many places or in the intesity that we are; funding afghanistan isn't particularly helping our economy. Maybe ask the US to pay for it or else we'll f*** it off?
Lol at the Hadrian's wall comment
TJ's obviously a bit 'tired' today + LOL @ SFB, who is obviously not 😆
Who pays for the bundeswehr?
They are more than twice the size of our army.
Not according to [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_troops ]these figures[/url], although they have a significant number of military reservists. The actual per capita of military personnel is lower than the UK (3.5 to 3.9 per 1000). Germany may have a larger military, but have over 20 million more people than the UK. These figures may be skewed by the fact that Germany has compulsory National Service, although persons can opt out, as [b]hels[/b] points out.
Germany doesn't seem to be involved in as many overseas military 'theatres' as the UK.
Actually, you're quite right, they are only a bit bigger but do have a massive amount of reservists (350,000!!). Having said that, they are still the 6th biggest spender on defence. We're 4th but this could be attributed to the fact we're heavily committed in an expensive war.
Who pays for the bundeswehr?
**** all use as well.
simonfbranes - from what I can gather now that I live in Scotland, it is to give a ready supply of half bricks to lob across the border during the 6 Nations.
Even if she was discriminated against it does not warrant £100k payout, it should mean severe consequences for the perpetrator's if it is indeed the case.
No one has asked the most pertinent and important question in all this debate though; Is she fit?
Wrong question Hora -"what are her chebs like?"
She would of have to have been a serial offender to get disciplinary action against her as well. Good riddance one less war dodger in the Army. Commonwealth soldiers get it too easy due to management being scared of the racism or bullying card being pulled. They also get an extra 6 weeks off too to go back home to there country.
She would of have to have
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to go back home to [b]there[/b] country
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She would of have to have
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to go back home to there country
to go back to their home country
She would of been
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Sorry landy that [i]is[/i] funny.
FFS another admin burden!!! At least she's gone. I am sorry but most single parents are an absolute nightmare in the forces. It's not a normal 9-5 job so if you don't like it, get out.
The former corporal said she was expected to be available for duty "24/7, 365 days a year" and was told the Army was "unsuitable for a single mother who couldn't sort out her childcare arrangements".
Well that's what you get paid for!!! This is a total farce and people like her make urine bubble.
This made me laugh out very loudly
**** off. Why are the Army/MOD responsible? They have a duty of care to her but that doesn't extend to sorting out her own admin. Jesus H what next??The tribunal criticised the Army for not helping to make childcare arrangements.
The Army will have to look very carefully at what they are asking single parents to do, she added.
Simple get rid of those that moan and let someone who is capable of doing what they are paid to do!!
My mates now wife was a single mother when she went out of area for 4 months did she try and dodge it? Nope she made arrangements and got on with it as it's her DUTY!! I know when I go out of are next, I will not go as it upsets my Mrs and I don't want to be away from my son 🙄
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Send the Kid to the front as well??
Do other employers provide care? if so then the army should be no different.
Personally I think an employer would not employ someone who has kids that is needed on call.
Being available for duty or deployment 24/7 is part of any service persons Terms of Service, which everyone is made fully aware of. It is also the individual's responsibility to sort their family business out, although some flexibility can be arranged in extreme circumstances. There must have been some extra 'treatment' which we do not know about (such as different rules for other soldiers in similar situations). Sad day though, there's a growing number of female service-people who milk the system on this issue (yes I do have experience of this issue in my unit and several previous units).
Germany doesn't seem to be involved in as many overseas military 'theatres' as the UK.
Talkemada, there are quite a few constitutional/political restrictions placed on the deployment of German Armed Forces that limit where/when they can deploy too, unlike British forces. It is something that came as a result of what happened in the 1940s .......
I was talking to an ex army mate of mine this morning. Lucky I was on the 'phone, he was spitting blood about this. His take: if you join the army, you know what level of commitment is expected of you, if you can't live up to the commitment then the forces aren't the place for you. He also said something about her being offered a 5 year posting with child care and that, that level of accommodation was practically unheard of.
Next thing, thy'll have their guns taken away from them cos they are dangerous!
.. and so it went on.
Do any other forces, ex forces peeps agree with him or was he just spouting rollocks?
Totally agree with your mate.
Next thing, thy'll have their guns taken away from them cos they are dangerous!
amazingly good idea! All that macho posing with hardware is [b]so[/b] outdated anyway, and this would emphasise their humanitarian credentials! It'll also stop them "accidentally" shooting each other in barracks 🙂
Do any other forces, ex forces peeps agree with him
are you asking the right people after they've been trained to subservience ?
Ahhh ! but SFB it is exactly, like it or not, [i][b]"all that macho posing with hardware"[/b][/i] both now and over the years which allows you the freedon to posture and post your utopian ideals on an internet forum 😉
are you asking the right people after they've been trained to subservience ?
Can't remember that during my training, but then I do not eat brown rice, wear sandles and spout crap.
agree with what monkeychild said.
but then I do not eat brown rice, wear sandles and spout crap.
that remains to be seen 🙂
Ahhh ! but SFB it is exactly, like it or not, "all that macho posing with hardware" both now and over the years which allows you the freedon to posture and post your utopian ideals on an internet forum
I'm not convinced that soldiers ever do more than support oligarchies, and that most of them would rather shoot me than allow me to do as I please 🙁
that remains to be seen
No, I have no sandles and I do not like brown rice, that is a fact.....
most of them would rather shoot me than allow me to do as I please
Yup, if you were doing something illegal/unlawful and their rules of engagement permitted otherwise they would let you go, this time...............
you could argue that point citing anyone anywhereI'm not convinced that soldiers ever do more than support oligarchies
............only soldiers?? 😉and that most of them would rather shoot me than allow me to do as I please