[Closed] Is this racist ?

Is it racist to say that the Dutch are about the most racist folk I've ever met?

Is this meta-racism?

chip - Member
So no racists voted in and no non racists voted out.

Chip, your so willing an argument to happen that just won't.

I posted what I thought was an obvious massive generalisation in a way I thought was pretty obviously just that. 🙂

The truth obviously being that it's nearer 53% that are actually racist.

Yes, that's tongue in cheek too. 🙂

P.S. I'm just guessing you voted Leave, chip? I just get that vibe? 😉

No, there seems to be a lot of Brexit bleating around here it’s hard to know when people are being serious or not.

Brexit bleating is everywhere at the moment I'm afraid.

So, yes,I do agree there. Sometimes find myself falling prey to it as you can see.

[quote=funkmasterp ]Just checking if it’s still wrong to call the Chinese takeaway the chinky even if you’re Chinese?

You could try asking a mod...

It's a slippery slope

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. I would hope now that kids wouldn't need to fight their way through childhood. That a teacher today is encouraging outdated and racist behaviour is beyond belief.
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+1

And with regards to the Dutch happy birthday song.... This coming from the culture that gave us apartheid in South Africa. I have the (dis?)pleasure of knowing several of Afrikaans families and some Germans that have been in SA for a considerable time and I would say that all of them are racist. Whether that is made racism or inherent I don't know, but I find all of them unpleasant people to be around.

Yes it is racist. The fact that the song has some dutch tradition has no bearing on it.

'LGBT+' has a certain ring to it, bit like a little red sportscar.

singing the words "Hankey Pankey, Shanghai, Hankey panky, Shanghai" sang to the tune of happy birthday, whilst narrowing your eyes in a parody of a Chinaman

Is it racist? Of course it is!

It's not about whether the person singing thinks it is or the intention, it's about how the target of the mocking would perceive it.

Racist? Probably, and definitely has the potential to cause offence. Isn't that reason enough to stop this sort of thing (through ridicule and education)? Doubt there was any malicious intent, but I imagine a teacher could be sacked for this if someone wanted to kick up a fuss. Not exactly a great example for kids. Teacher probably just doesn't 'get it' (which is the polite version of 'ignorant').

Same old turds on here denying there is any racial intent as a means to justify their old fashioned views - 'I've always found it harmless and funny, why should I have to change'. Idiots :lol:.

I've not been in a school since the 1980's and I though things had moved along a little bit.

In London at least, you would not have got away with this in the 1980's (believe me, I was there). In my multi-ethnic borough 'baa baa black sheep' was banned at one point! In some ways it was more sensitive than things are now.

My experience was that racist kids got it from their racist parents. Most believed (or were taught) it was harmless, and as superior white Englishmen, we were entitled to belittle every other race! Some became enlightened, some (generally the thick ones it has to be said) grew up into racist adults.

Imagine singing the words "Hankey Pankey, Shanghai, Hankey panky, Shanghai" sang to the tune of happy birthday, whilst narrowing your eyes in a parody of a Chinaman, and then imagine that your kids teacher is teaching the kids that.

Hang on - are we [b]imagining[/b] this, or did it actually happen? As in, really happen, not just a 6 year old saying they'd learnt it from a teacher?

Definitely the sort of story a 6yo would make up to cover them learning a racist song from their mates when they get called out on it.

Did we establish whether the school concerned is a Dutch school, as it appears to be a uniquely Dutch thing to sing this given the google hits (one of which certainly suggests teaching of it is current in a Dutch primary school).

I have no expertise in what is racist or not but I feel for you YAK and the issue here.

Yak - Member 
[Sensible answer time ] This sort of shit has no place nowadays. As a kid I used to come home from school in tears because of taunting. I used to wish I could be white. My dad realised the bother and taught me how to properly punch someone. After that I never hesitated and would hit immediately on provocation. I was in front of the teachers a lot because of this. But it was worth it to avoid that individual doing it again. Now this was bitd when attitudes were different. I would hope now that kids wouldn't need to fight their way through childhood. That a teacher today is encouraging outdated and racist behaviour is beyond belief.
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Yes it is racist. The fact that the song has some dutch tradition has no bearing on it.

My thoughts exactly

Has the teacher explained what "hanky panky" means?

It happened. My mate was shocked, asked my opinion - shocked, I posted it on here, not least because a few months ago I was told that the Dutch aren't racist. From a big hitter who had visited for a weekend.

Definitely the sort of story a 6yo would make up to cover them learning a racist song from their mates when they get called out on it.

He wasn't called out on it. His son started singing it to him, was asked where he learned it and said in school from the teacher.

Once a kid said I can’t see the board and I said open your eyes then. Oops.

He was the only Chinese student in my class.

He shouted funnily that’s racist Sir.

He had a sense of humour lol.

I know I was Wong.

Everything has the possibility to be offensive to someone.. the current desire to find offence in anything and everything is (in my obviously offensive post) pathetic beyond belief.

thought it was the lyric from a gilbert and sullivan work then i remembered that was all about slant eyed nips

bit worried about CFH's questionnaire either that is a print problem or the ladies box has a chicken baster in situ

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I'll get my coat....

edit one of the ladies boxes...

the current desire to cause offence to anyone and everyone is pathetic beyond belief.

[quote=cranberry ]He wasn't called out on it. His son started singing it to him, was asked where he learned it and said in school from the teacher.

Sorry - deliberate non-use of smiley - I thought it would be obvious that a 6yo would have no idea about being called out, and no idea that would be offensive (hence no ready made deflection story). Was taking the piss out of Terry Wrist's post.

Depends - was she handing out biscuits at the same time?
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Sorry - deliberate non-use of smiley - I thought it would be obvious that a 6yo would have no idea about being called out, and no idea that would be offensive (hence no ready made deflection story). Was taking the piss out of Terry Wrist's post

I'm not saying they've got a racist kid with a ready made excuse 🙄

I'm just not sure a teacher would be teaching an obviously racist song in class. I don't know how to break it to you but children aren't always totally reliable when they're telling you stuff. I had to let my Dad know that he was dead once, oldest kid (7)had been telling people his Grandad had died.

Sounds like a bad teacher. Probably had a nasty moment in the supplies cupboard

With somebody from China...

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I just had a look through a Chinese phone book. There's so many Wing's & Wong's you have to be careful not to wing the wong number!

Same old turds

[quote=Terry Wrist ]I'm just not sure a teacher would be teaching an obviously racist song in class. I don't know how to break it to you but children aren't always totally reliable when they're telling you stuff. I had to let my Dad know that he was dead once, oldest kid (7)had been telling people his Grandad had died.

Occam's Razor - why would a 6yo tell their parents the teacher had taught it to them if they weren't aware there is anything wrong with it? IME kids aren't all that good at lying to their parents - I presume your kid wasn't trying that on you 😉

A quick google also gave this link http://www.24oranges.nl/2017/10/02/racist-stereotypes-of-chinese-used-in-classroom/ - so yes it does seem likely, as it appears the racism isn't quite so obvious to the Dutch.

I have never understood why the term 'slitty eyes' or doing impressions of people who have 'slitty eyes' is in the least bit offensive. I wonder if the chinese do impressions of the big eyed white people? I hope so.

Really? Is blacking up offensive?

I have never understood why the term 'slitty eyes' or doing impressions of people who have 'slitty eyes' is in the least bit offensive

Can't see any negative stereotypes in this image?

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Well it is racist mockery, they are (the Dutch, this teacher and your friends class) mocking an entire race based on physical appearance for what they consider fun. If a Chinese kid was in the class (irrelevant to wether it’s racist or not) could have found himself the but of the joke.

I think a teacher teaching this at school is ill thoughtout in the least and racist at most.

Yes really. It's no different from doing an impression of an elephant or anything else for that matter. It's just the idiotic PC brigade and the media who have deemed it 'offensive'. Stuff like this seems to get clicks these days.

If similar amounts of airtime were given to trying to educate those claiming 'offence' at every turn rather than those 'offending' the world would be a better place.

[quote=andykirk ]It's no different from doing an impression of an elephant or anything else for that matter.

It is - but I suspect any explanation would be lost on you.

Though just in case, I'll try this again - is blacking up offensive?

I have never understood why the term 'slitty eyes' or doing impressions of people who have 'slitty eyes' is in the least bit offensive

If similar amounts of airtime were given to trying to educate those claiming 'offence' at every turn rather than those 'offending' the world would be a better place.

Always good to get an opinion on whether something is racist from a racist. Unless andykirk, you are just trolling? Own up, which is it.

I'm a ginger, short , glasses wearing, irish kid that grew up in the 80's . Nothing shocks or offends me.

Nothing shocks or offends me - that doesn't mean I think racism is okay though...

you didn't get the punchline, if i threw a fit every time i was offended it would be daily. i forgot to add i was a catholic in n.ireland, so yeah i guess all this has toughened me up, as we didn't have a safe space till upto a few years ago.

I have never understood why the term 'slitty eyes' or doing impressions of people who have 'slitty eyes' is in the least bit offensive. I wonder if the chinese do impressions of the big eyed white people? I hope so.

Tomorrow at work, do an impression of an Indian person or a Chinese person near to people of the same ethnicity. Let us know how you get on.

Afraid there are too many posts assuming I am a BNP member to respond to here. But I have a question for you, is it OK to do an impression of an English toff with your front teeth stuck out and a frightfully posh accent?