[Closed] is this NOTW thing confirming what we already knew....?

Dunno but I'm loving it.

yeah we knew, im loving seeing murdoch humbled- well hes still a billionaire so ya know not that humbled

also nice to see cameron looking very uncomfortable after his deal with the devil

sadly though a large chunk of the population seem happy to read the tripe the notw printed not to mention sucking up the trash and blatantly biased halftruths(at best) in the times, or on skynews and the star, mirror, hate mail etc are still going strong

Well there was never any doubt that Murdoch had politicians in his pocket, but I am genuinely surprised that he appears to have had quite a few coppers in his pocket too.

I can understand the old bill leaving him alone because politicians have leaned on senior officers, but I can't understand the corrupt ones which took money. It's a pretty risky business being a bent copper - you lose your job and get jailed in a very hostile environment if caught.

Apparently payments by News International to coppers started with £200 to "spin a numberplate", why would any copper bother doing that for 200 quid ? They get a good wage and 200 quid is hardly likely to change their lifestyle.

I don't understand why an old guy still actively trying to accumulate wealth.

I mean what does he want? World domination? How long can he live? Can he bring his wealth to the departed world?

I really don't understand why old people do what they do ... keep accumulating wealth even when they are already billionaires or multi millionaires whose time is ticking.

Thought he was only 80, everyone's going to live to 150 nowadays donchanow! He has the money to pay for care in his old age.

It's about power and an addiction to "expanding" chewkw, it has nothing to do with [i]needing[/i] more money. And Murdoch should be stopped from expanding for those very reasons, ie, he only wants to for the increased power. No unelected and unaccountable person should have that much power.

Although to be fair there is probably also an element of doing it to pass on a thriving media empire to his children,

it's always been a bad idea, still is a bad idea: always will be a bad Idea that one man (company) owns a variety of media outputs in one country and is able to even consider attempting to gain more media outputs (or a major stake any).

Leave the BBC out of it, highclimber

Leave the BBC out of it, highclimber

Ok, I will! given that we pay their ridiculous wages i think your request is only fair.

Yes. But that doesn't make it any easier for those involved to have it all out in the open...
This could be one of the best things that's happened to the UK in decades. I had Sky as one of my clients once - got me thrown out of my job because I wasn't prepared to be bullied by them...
A Murdoch family biographer on Newsnight last night was speculating that Newscorp would be Murdoch-free in the next few years after this debacle. I wonder if James will be so bold when his pappy's not there to look after him.
The internet/social media is making papers much less powerful anyway so their influence is already waning and will continue to do so.
I'd love to be a fly on the wall listening to Dave, Miliband, Brown et al working out how to play this publically whilst between them plotting to bring him down...

I find it a bit interesting that Vince Cable isn't swinging from the treetops shouting "I told you so....!" He has certainly been conspicuous in his absence.

Is anyone (of a certain age...) seeing any parallels with Cap'n Bob and the (nowadays much diminished) Mirror Group?

Where are the Maxwell sons now?

I don't understand why an old guy still actively trying to accumulate wealth.
I mean what does he want? World domination? How long can he live? Can he bring his wealth to the departed world?
I really don't understand why old people do what they do ... keep accumulating wealth even when they are already billionaires or multi millionaires whose time is ticking.

I am genuinely surprised that he appears to have had quite a few coppers in his pocket too.

Why are you surprised that Human Beings in positions of power and influence will abuse that power to suit their own ends? 😕

You know, I've seen some porn over the years, but I honestly never expected that I'd derive so much pleasure from watching an elderly man getting fed up the *.

Why are you surprised that Human Beings in positions of power and influence will abuse that power to suit their own ends? 😕

😕 well I explained why in the rest of my post - economic advantage v risk.

I would want life changing quantities of money to become a bent copper, not help with paying for a new three piece suite.

Apparently payments by News International to coppers started with £200 to "spin a numberplate", why would any copper bother doing that for 200 quid ? They get a good wage and 200 quid is hardly likely to change their lifestyle.

I think it's likely that the payment is desultory. The individuals may have been placed in a compromising position by news international after other things about them were uncovered and they were threatened with this information going back to their families, their bosses and/or criminals. That's how I'd run it. One they take money it's not blackmail, even if that's how it starts.

Apparently payments by News International to coppers started with £200 to "spin a numberplate", why would any copper bother doing that for 200 quid ? They get a good wage and 200 quid is hardly likely to change their lifestyle.

If its 200 per plate, and you are doing 10 a week, that's a bloody big bonus.

well I explained why in the rest of my post - economic advantage v risk.

I would want life changing quantities of money to become a bent copper, not help with paying for a new three piece suite.

so how does that explain a broad history of corruption amongst lower ranked police officers then ?

i won't even bother linking, there are so many cases on the net that anyone can google them.

I think that the Sky buyout should be allowed to go through, on the proviso that Murdoch and Brooks are both drowned in their own faeces. We've been drowing in theirs for years...

I love the way that Vince Cable was demoted for saying he would do anything to stop Murdoch getting control of Sky, but now everybody's jumping on his bandwagon.

well cameron is not turning up to the sky debate today

hes keeping his nose out of it so he doesnt have to condem his friend and neighbour brooks as im sure ed will try and get him to

hes also making a real effort not to be photographed or filmed at all at the moment because his close assosciation with murdoch and co is bad press and he is a former pr man

i stand erected - cameron has said brooks should resign

milliband has him on the back foot though!

Cameron as a good PR man can see which way the wind is blowing and will go with it.

His statement over coulson a last week was funny tho -trying to get the soundbite of "I gave the man a second chance" in.

I think Mr Bean is overextending himself somewhat on his attacks regards Coulson - its going to come back and bite him on the arse in a horrific fashion, since his own PR man, Tom Baldwin, came from the News International stable as well...

i think to eds advantage he appeared such an innefective leader that murdoch hadnt really bothered to get his claws into him

it would be amazing to see what a post murdoch uk political scene would be like without the sun/times to push his neocon rightwing agenda

She'll go, the Sky think will be put on hold and pass through in 6 months and it will all be back to normal, I don't see Murdoch suffering much from this...

EDIT It's answered further down

Youve got to hand it to Ed , he has just suceeded in getting an inquiry which inter alia will look at the relationship between News International and the Last Labour Government. Go Ed ! 😆

What it confirms to me is:

Phone hacking celebs and other public figures == ok
Phone hacking people the public feel sorry for == bad
Politicians jumping on public outrage for "non party political" party politics and gunning for someone who was ok for most of them in the past.
They may not be affraid of the murdoch press now but they are right scared of the rest of the press!

Zulu-Eleven - Member

Youve got to hand it to Ed , he has just suceeded in getting an inquiry which inter alia will look at the relationship between News International and the Last Labour Government. Go Ed !

lets hope he does that way he might show himself to be something other than a blair/cameron/clegg clone

[url= http://ourmaninthenorth.posterous.com/a-mix-of-bingo-and-tits-why-celebs-still-need ]I'm not convinced a great deal will change.[/url]

BSkyB deal pulled now.

A scenario: Having bought back 5bill-worth of shares in his own company to steady the markets and ignoring the call to attend a Parliamentary Comittee, Murdoch will now wait, then get on the good side of the Competition Comission by dumping all his UK paper interests (worth Millions), finally getting the green light to get his hands on BSkyB. (worth billions).

Home free.

Zulu-Eleven - Member

I think Mr Bean is overextending himself somewhat on his attacks regards Coulson - its going to come back and bite him on the arse in a horrific fashion, since his own PR man, Tom Baldwin, came from the News International stable as well...

You think that being a journalist on the Times is the same as being the editor of the News of the World ?

You think a journalist on the Times would know the sources of the News of the World's "exclusives" in the same way as the News of the World's edit [i]must[/i] undoubtedly have known ?

You think that employing the former Washington correspondent for the Times, is the same as employing an editor who has been forced to resign in shame for proven illegal and criminal activities which occurred under his editorship ?

Your judgement appears to be as flawed as Cameron's Zulu-Eleven.

Cameron issued a statement stating Murdoch should clean up h
the mess,after the announcement about the withdrawal of the Skybid.Apparently CallmeDave is volunteering to hold up the carpet while he does it.