[Closed] Is this guy for real? (Cameron content)

I like the idea, maybe police will follow and we can reclaim the George cross for good, instead of being accused of racial hatred and incitement for waving it.

and when they are out he will no doubt fly the European Union flag and then support one of them ?...
I have put it in words he will understand

I am looking at all the benches here and I am sure that everyone in this House, no matter what part of the United Kingdom they come from, will be cheering 'come on [s]England[/s] Europe'

I don't think this matters [i]in the slightest[/i], so I refuse to get het up about it.

To the (utterly non-existent) extent that it might matter, I'd have thought that taking the view that the British government was going to show semi-official support for the only one of the nations of the union still competing in any given event was hardly insane, racist or insensitive to the dead of Culloden. I suspect that (if asked) Cameron would cheerfully say that he'd like Andy Murray to win the Grand Prix as well. 🙂

why the hell not? England is part of the UK. Quite frankly find the scottish "I wont cheer for England" attitude a bit childish, I'd cheer for Scotland if they got in and England didn't, same with Wales - they're part of the UK. Small mindedness all this divisiveness, it's a fun sporting event and one of the countries in our union is in the battle - lets cheer them on.

Hes for real.......

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And here's the proof

[url= http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/politics/10268442.stm ]Thatcher Back in Downing Street[/url]

We know the opressors do not hate the oppressed and cant understand why we get "uppity" about this. Would the little englander Cameron really fly the saltire? I think not

Why not? England is playing in World Cup is it not? Rather different from BNP waving the flag.

Cheer up.

Would the little englander Cameron really fly the saltire?

I honestly think he might actually. It's just a cheap stunt. Overall returns would be lower from the same stunt (i.e. flying the Saltire) if Scotland were playing, but there would still be some benefit to be had.

And this is a problem why exactly?

Why are so many people so anal about the George Cross? I'm not a particularly big footie fan (although I will be supporting England) and certainly not right wing.
It's our national flag and why is it wrong if people are happy to display it. When I lived in London (now in Devon) at the last world cup loads of different nationalities were displaying their flags on cards etc and I thought it looked great. Maybe more non right wing non football fans should fly it then it would lose it's current perception....

We know the opressors do not hate the oppressed and cant understand why we get "uppity" about this. Would the little englander Cameron really fly the saltire? I think not

Can't imagine why not. But we have our own parliament to do it don't we, so the point is moot? You're moaning about the UK parliament, based in England, with the majority of its powers over England, hoisting the England flag? WTF?

I'd say that DC would almost definitely have flown the saltire - No one in England would really have cared and it'd be a good bit of PR for all the hypersensitive Scots out there.

I'm torn on this issue.

See it's be nice if England do well, fun times etc, but, and this is a BUT of Dawn French proportions... I don't want the positive effect on the nations moral to bolster support for the coalition.

as per clubber

Is this guy for real?

Probably.

If it were the England football team flag, then it would be absolutely fine. But it's not, it's the England flag, and flying it at the centre of power of a country whose minority constituents already feel marginalised (and didn't vote for the occupant) is highly insensitive I feel. CmD may think it should be perfectly ok to do this but he MUST surely realise that a lot of other folk won't agree... Sensitive leader FAIL.

chewkw - Member

Why not? England is playing in World Cup is it not?

As the english prime minister I don't have a problem, but as the Brtish PM expecting Wales and Scotland to support england, I do.

I am, however, particularly grateful he has dipped into his own personal fortune to pay for this little publicity stunt rather than burden the British taxpayer.

RepacK - Member

And this is a problem why exactly?

See above! 😀

It's going to bring the house prices right down in Downing Street.

Actually, I was surmising the other day while driving around....

Four years ago, there were a few England flags draped outside houses in my street. So far, there are none. Is that an indicator that my street is finally (about f***ing time) is "up and coming"? 😀

I can understand the other Home Countries not supporting England as such. However actively supporting the opposition consistently strikes me a pretty sad behaviour.

That's how sporting rivalry goes, clubber. Seems odd to me that English fans often can't take it.

I'm fervently supporting anyone who's playing France...even England if it comes about.

It's more can't understand it than can't take - I figure that English fans aren't really that fussed about it as such since typically they're doing better than Scotland/Wales/NI so it's not exactly a touchy subject.

I guess it'd be a bit like if someone walked up to you in the street and just started insulting you because you've got brown hair.

The sports team from my area is superior to the sports team from your area. 🙂

If it were the England football team flag, then it would be absolutely fine. But it's not, it's the England flag, and flying it at the centre of power of a country whose minority constituents already feel marginalised (and didn't vote for the occupant) is highly insensitive I feel.

Jesus christ on a bike. I really can't go anywhere from this point, it strikes me as incredibly pathetic that anyone would care that much.

we're in the world cup. get over it. just like we will when we're knocked out. I think it's great that the PM is clearly showing his support for the nation that elected him. Let's face it, Scotland and Wales didn't.

And if it's considered two fingers, deal with it.

I can just imagine in Wales at this very moment, no-one will be giving a crap.

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I shall be adorning my house with 2 flags on a very nice road and won't give a toss what anyone else thinks! Cmon england!

Jesus christ on a bike. I really can't go anywhere from this point, it strikes me as incredibly pathetic that anyone would care that much.

How much do I care, ck? All I said is that it was a bit insensitive, which it is 🙂

How much do I care, ck? All I said is that it was a bit insensitive, which it is

To have put that much thought into the process to determine that it's insensitive is more than enough thought on the matter to me! 🙂

All I said is that it was a bit insensitive, which it is

maybe you could get counselling or something?

All I said is that it was a bit insensitive, which it is

and setting up your own national parliament isn't?

charming. 😆

Cheer up Jock - you can cheer England along now

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I guess it'd be a bit like if someone walked up to you in the street and just started insulting you because you've got brown hair.

You mean ginger surely 😳

flying it at the centre of power of a country whose minority constituents already feel marginalised (and didn't vote for the occupant) is highly insensitive

Oh stop dripping FFS, seems like a large portion of those constituents would happily be marginalised on a permanent basis and will doubtless, to a man, prove their self marginalisation by supporting England's opponents in every game.

And as for all that nonsense about the oppressed and the oppressors, I doubt for one second that anyone really thinks that Westminster has any more regard for its English subjects than it does the Scottish or the Welsh, but if they do, then I suggest that they spend some time reading up on the Peterloo massacre or the Tolpuddle martyrs or the 80's miners strike.

Then again I'd hate for reality to get in the way of any thinly veiled Anglo bashing.

I'm supporting Germany, I'll win £37 in the office sweepstake if they win! Got a little German flag on my desk and everything.

I could hear this persistent, irritating whining, buzzing, noise, and I thought a gnat or a mosquito had started flying around until I realised it was molgrips. You're well balanced, though, you've got a chip on [i]both[/i] shoulders. 😈

And the two posts from Repack sum it up nicely, Because you can't understand how the other nations feel, clearly there is no point trying, and you might aswell just mock and belittle those who have an opinion which is different from yours.

I support Britain when there is a team Britain, but I will never support england so please don't ask me to.

If it is so unimportant to you, why are you posting??

Would the little englander Cameron really fly the saltire?

What's France got to do with it? 😆

What's France got to do with it?

[url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auld_Alliance ]
Vive L'Alliance![/url]

Vive la France indeed

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One of the sweetest moments of modern football history. All those Dubliners I saw supporting Argentina against England know exactly how it feels now 8)

don simon I & others think you are over-reacting massively..There are far more important things in the World to get yourself worked up about!

I think coffeking summed it up for me -

I can just imagine in Wales at this very moment, no-one will be giving a crap.

Oh FFS - If any of the other national teams were in the tournament then he'd have their flag up also.

Cameron - English

Downing St - in England.

What's the issue, not like he's asking Holyrood, the Welsh Assembly or Stormont to do the same is it?

Does make him seem a bit chav though, doesn't it?

We Scots are always deeply suspicious of this sort of thing, it tends to confirm our suspicion that our government regards itself as a government of Greater England than of a United Kingdom.

But I think a sense of perspective is needed here. England is the only kingdom in the WC.

Maybe Scots should be supporting France - they are our oldest ally after all.

I'm fed up of hearing about 1966, so I hope the English team wins this year. 🙂

epicyclo - Member

We Scots are always deeply suspicious of this sort of thing, it tends to confirm our suspicion that our government regards itself as a government of Greater England than of a United Kingdom.

do you reckon Gordon Broon and Al Darliing took the same view when they were holed up in numbers 10 and 11???

I'm fed up of hearing about 1966

So much so that you're the first person to mention it on the thread.

I honestly think that 1966 has become as relevant a part of Scottish identity as it is of English identity.

As anyone familiar with me would know, I'm a pretty fervent Scottish Nationalist. However, I really can't see what the problem is with flying the George Cross in London.

I would also like to add that:

(a) some pretty prominent Scots [i]are[/i] supporting England this summer (e.g. Alex Salmond).

(b) anyone who can't understand why some Scots might support any team [i]except[/i] England are somehow overlooking the fact that very few Liverpool fans support Man Utd in Europe once their own team has been eliminated (or vise versa for that matter) .

anyone who can't understand why some Scots might support any team except England are somehow overlooking the fact that very few Liverpool fans support Man Utd in Europe once their own team has been eliminated (or vise versa for that matter)

Except that doesn't hold up as until very recently most England fans would support Scotland or the ROI in the WC if England hadn't qualified. Admittedly that happens less now that A) we are beginning to better understand the celtic attitude towards us B) Scotland and the ROI aren't good enough to qualify anymore .

What's the problem?
Blair did the same 4 years ago.

I don't follow football. But I'm English and also a Scotophile. After reading this I'm thinking of buying the biggest George Cross flag I can find and erecting it in the front garden.

Up yours whiners. 🙂

However, I really can't see what the problem is with flying the George Cross in London.

I couldn't give a toss about that either, it's the fact that he thinks that the UK should be united and support england.

it's the fact that he thinks that the [b]U[/b]K should be [b]united[/b]

What did you think the U stood for ?

trailmonkey - Member

it's the fact that he thinks that the UK should be united

What did you think the U stood for ?

For a British team not and enlgish team. 🙄

But we don't compete as GB or UK in football. If you are prepared to support GB or UK then you shouldn't have an issue supporting its constituent parts.

I think the as-yet unspoken truth is that for many scotch (above included) they actually prefer to support 'not england' than scotland.
the reason why is sadly obvious.

Don simon, for the love of god give it up.

Im Scottish but im supporting England in the world cup as we didnt get through.

I take offence that you make such stupid arrogant and racist remarks/insinuations which ends up getting all Scots bundled up in the same group and thought of as childish & frankly stupid.

Go away, come back when you reach the age of 10.

Flipside of that is Buzzlightyear - imho you are in the same childish world as Don simon. Grow up.

scotia - Member
Don simon, for the love of god give it up.

Im Scottish but im supporting England in the world cup as we didnt get through.

I take offence that you make such stupid arrogant and racist remarks/insinuations which ends up getting all Scots bundled up in the same group and thought of as childish & frankly stupid.

Go away, come back when you reach the age of 10.

Flipside of that is Buzzlightyear - imho you are in the same childish world as Don simon. Grow up.

*Applauds*

Well put, sir, well put.

missingfrontallobe, he is a bit of a chav. After all, he went to a Slough Comprehensive. 😉

"Flipside of that is Buzzlightyear - imho you are in the same childish world as Don simon. Grow up."

😆 Sense of humour failure detected. I'm amazed at how thin-skinned *some* people can be about a bleedin' flag. I'm English, I'll fly George Cross if I want and not feel guilty about it. It's about time we reclaimed our national identity.

AFAIK, you don't need planning permission for a flagpole if it is flying a Union Flag. But I don't think the George Cross is exempt. Suspect Cameron gets away with it because No10 is a government building.

[comprehensive kid and indifferent about it]

Buzzlightyear - sorry couldnt tell that was comedy. Fly your flag thats what im saying. I am fully in support but it came across as if you were anti scottish in the same way don simon is anti english..

ho hum...so we're just to get don simon to grow up then now!

My bad for the misunderstanding - I'm very keen on most things Scottish, exp. the Munros, the music and the whisky!

I'm fervently supporting anyone who's playing France...even England if it comes about.

Standard supporting order will prevail.

Scotland until they're knocked out (ah well, we did OK considering our qualifying group).
Then Ireland til they go (normally second round, but his year...).
Then Brazil, 'cos they're blinking nice people (having met them at our defeat to them in 1990), 'cos whenever we turn up they seem to be in the same group as us (and knock us out), and 'cos you might as well support someone with some chance of winning somewhere along the line.

Soft spot for Italy too 'cos I went to uni there for a bit and for France 'cos , well 'cos of the auld alliance.

And I wouldn't be upset if England won (though my wife would and she's English).

I'm toying with offering to wear an England shirt in the office for the England matches if they chuck enough in the charity kitty.

Anyway I'm going cycling for the first week, so it may well be over bar the shouting by the time I get back to work.

find the scottish "I wont cheer for England" attitude a bit childish, I'd cheer for Scotland if they got in and England didn't,

I think the general unpopularity internationally of England and the english football team, stems from the fact that England are very bad [b]winners[/b]!

Hard to put into words but....... while most teams are happy to have won the game and have some empathy with the losers, when England win it seems to be more about beating the opposition and demonstrating that they are indeed superior. That probably doesn't make a lot of sense to some but non-english might know what I mean.

trailmonkey - Member

But we don't compete as GB or UK in football. If you are prepared to support GB or UK then you shouldn't have an issue supporting its constituent parts.

Please do not tell me what I should or shouldn't do! Understand this, when the GB team competes it is made up of the constituent parts, when england play it is not, so why should I.

scotia - Member

Don simon, for the love of god give it up.

Im Scottish but im supporting England in the world cup as we didnt get through.

I take offence that you make such stupid arrogant and racist remarks/insinuations which ends up getting all Scots bundled up in the same group and thought of as childish & frankly stupid.

Go away, come back when you reach the age of 10.

Flipside of that is Buzzlightyear - imho you are in the same childish world as Don simon. Grow up.

Thanks. That was was very well put. Insulting people will always win you friends and help you win an argument. If you want to drop your trousers for the english, that's entirely up to you. And I would say that you are a bit like others here and just a "plastic Scotsman" same as some of the "plastic Welsh", you know not 100% Scot or Welsh. 😉

Wow, do people really hate each other this much based on Nationality and what their father's fathers did?

Crikey.

Thanks. That was was very well put. Insulting people will always win you friends and help you win an argument. If you want to drop your trousers for the english, that's entirely up to you. And I would say that you are a bit like others here and just a "plastic Scotsman" same as some of the "plastic Welsh", you know not 100% Scot or Welsh.

Do you know me? No, ok then so you cant really say that then can you?

It seems that i am just able to see beyond what you cant.

Please dont fill up the forum with your little spats - the toys are over there to the left where you threw them.

tree-magnet - Member

Wow, do people really hate each other this much based on Nationality and what their father's fathers did?

Crikey.

It would seem so, anyone who has a differing opinion and especially one which tries to defend the right to maintain ones nationality is shot down. I find it sad that I can't express the opinion that I disagree with Cameron's stance that as a representative of the British Government he can show a bias towards the english team and expect that I should support them.

I find it sad that people can not accept different opinions and accept that shouting and insulting is a fair argument.

I find it sad that there is hypocracy in the arguments, that people who don't know me feel they can insult me, then, when the insult is returned want to use the defense that I don't know them. 😯

I find it quite sad that people will quote me without using the full quote which includes the smiley face. 😉

I really don't give a toss about england and the world cup. I wish them all the best, but I will not betray my nationality by jumping on any bandwagon, nor will I relish in their failure.

This has been quite good fun and not a spat!!! 😆

My only problem with him flying the flag is that it's nothing more than a populist gesture, and it makes our PM look a bit chavish. I'm sure he wouldn't do it if he wasn't in the public eye. I suspect he probably couldn't care less about football anyway.

As for supporting England, as I Scot I personally hope they do well. Same as I would if it were Wales or either of the Irish sides competing (would be better if Ireland would combine though, as their rugby team does).

What finally swung me behind England was the attitude of some folk up here to Mars selling Mars Bars with England wrappings. There were folk up here, including some idiots from the SNP, who described Mars as having (I kid you not) "offended them". Offended??? By a sweetie wrapper. For crying out loud. Some of my fellow countrymen really need to grow up and get over it. Good luck England.

selling Mars Bars with England wrappings

This is pretty much the definition of oppression. When the proud people of Scotland are ground under the English jackboot in this humiliating fashion, is it really any wonder that the SNP condones suicide bombings?

I think the general unpopularity internationally of England and the english football team, stems from the fact that England are very bad winners!

I've been to many countries (mainly the americas and africa) in my time and the one thing that the locals all want to talk about when they find out you are english is the england football team. They want to know if you ever saw Charlton, Moore, Hurst, Lineker, Gascoigne play.
The England football team is one of the most popular throughout the world in my experience, it's only the fear of an minority of it's supporters that detracts from that.

kennyp - Member
...There were folk up here, including some idiots from the SNP, who described Mars as having (I kid you not) "offended them"...

Oddly enough, when I saw the England flag on it, I put it down and bought something else instead 🙂 Wasn't offended though, just thought it was dumb marketing.

I'm fervently supporting anyone who's playing France...even England if it comes about.

As are my French mates. When I mentioned the faint possibility of us meeting in the 1/4 finals, they told me under no uncertain terms that France wouldnt be there that long. Most of them still havent got over the Ireland match.

A few of them are even supporting England for the duration 😯

I'm no fan of Cameron or patriotism but I really don't see the problem with this.

This is pretty much the definition of oppression. When the proud people of Scotland are ground under the English jackboot in this humiliating fashion, is it really any wonder that the SNP condones suicide bombings?

I feel oppressed by Skittles. I want to taste a rainbow but they lie with their marketing guff. Don't even get me started on Lucky Charms.

The England football team is one of the most popular throughout the world in my experience,

Jocks are universally adored. Everyone loves a good loser 😆

[i]Oddly enough, when I saw the England flag on it, I put it down and bought something else instead Wasn't offended though, just thought it was dumb marketing.[/i]

Exactly. If folk want to, or don't want to, buy them then that's fair enough. It's the childish "I find it offensive" rubbish that hacks me off. Seems to be these days that a lot of people are desperate to be offended about something, no matter how silly.