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And again, household income has doubled (admittedly this is mainly the GF, mine is still less but I changed industries and am still on a steep learning curve*) and no debts.
* I'm assuming I'm not flat lining 😀
To be fair, her income is sourced from international work so can benefit from growing economies.
It never actually began for me. OK, so at one stage my house was in neg equity, but that was part of the long term plan, didn't affect anything directly and was expected mostly...
The wages have gone up, bonuses have been paid etc... it's all good 🙂
Difficult to tell, for me. I bailed out of the UK and am making much better money in Hong Kong. I don't think the people I now work for had a recession though.
🙂
I assume that brooess is correct though. We're into a sustained period of limited global growth with comparative stagnation and low inflation in the West, which is going to be hard work as there's so much debt around.
Trail_rat, O&G really grinds my grist, Record profits for years and now a drop in profits, but still IN profit. Jobs cut, see ya, we've got a profit to maintain. Suits take record pay outs everyone else suffers.
Yet tax bills cut (are all the due taxes paid or just part). Grrrrrr.
Yes i know it's probably more complex than that but still. Grrrrr
The recession is over for the better off in London and the Home Counties, which is all that matters really.
Record profits for years and now a drop in profits, but still IN profit
As far as the north sea is concerned you'd be surprised at many aren't in profit at the moment.
Jobs cut, see ya, we've got a profit to maintain. Suits take record pay outs everyone else suffers.
Money moves around the world for the best return. That's no different to any other business. Costs have to be cut, and needed to be cut anyway, in the North Sea.
Yet tax bills cut (are all the due taxes paid or just part). Grrrrrr.
Only on North Sea production, and most companies have production throughout the world. Also tax rates are still well above what would be tolerated by any other business.
Yes i know it's probably more complex than that but still. Grrrrr
Yeah it is bit more complex than you are making out.
Never been better here, however I do live in London so it's to be expected I suppose.
EO in civil service here. I am taking home £31.75 more per month than I was in April 2010.
I hadn't realised how lucky I was.
Funding has remained the same so a real terms cut, but its the increase in pupils thats the problem. Big cut in funding per pupil. In 3-5 when the increase really kicks in to swcondary schools we wont have the room for them unless something is done now.
Post-16 education wasn't protected, so we've been on a downward funding trajectory since 2010. We made some staff redundant immediately and people who've left for other reasons have only been replaced it absolutely unavoidable (which sends to be never for support staff). All of us have an extra hour of contact time, so are doing 5% more work. Plus no pay rises and the pension changes.
And these will be the "good old days" soon. We're in a very good financial position compared to most sixth form colleges but I think some just won't exist in a few years.
Much more complex
Im talking about service co's - baker/hallis / schlum /weatherford not operators.
I agree with the tax cuts to operators in north sea - gonefishin covered it pretty well.
But thats a whole other thread
People no longer prepared to 'do it themselves' but get a tradesman in instead as they have more money to spend?
Alternatively, renters don't update and repair landlord properties.
The recession is over for the better off in London and the Home Counties, which is all that matters really.
I'm not convinced about that - I'm in London and whilst many have work and are getting well-paid and there seem to be plenty of jobs going, I'm not sure it's going to last. It just doesn't feel right - the optimism seems to contradict all the data - US slowing down, China slowing down and dropping interest rates, India dropping interest rates, a lot of the money in London is foreign money and could leave at a moment's notice, housing unaffordable even to the well-paid middle classes reduces the spare cash in your pocket...
That the Tories are having to play games to keep the economy looking ok (repeated tricks to push house prices up for e.g.), looks like an admission of defeat to me.
I think any optimism is mis-placed... in London as anywhere else
This is very dependant on where in the country you live and what industry you are in.
For me location wise I've lived in 2 relatively affluent areas in Bristol then Cambridgeshire which haven't been affected that badly.
Work wise I'm on my third job since 2008, I was made redundant from the 2nd job as the company wasn't doing so well and the shareholders expected constant growth. Now I'm a consultant / contractor with my own Ltd co earning twice what I was at 2008 so personally I'm much better off.
Mrs CD has changed from being a residential care manager to a social worker in that time and has to face the consequences of the recession and cuts every day.
Past generations have bought forward consumption and delayed payment
Current/future generations will face bringing forward payment and delaying payment
Voting for protest parties who pretend this cant happen wont change anything. Welcome to cold turkey time....
(despite the ONS good news today!!)
I helped out last month with a round of recruitment. In the South East, two of the top ten most unaffordable towns/cities in the UK (according to the Guardian study a few months back).
Two vacancies for support staff, £19k salary. We had to stop at 100 applicants. All had BA or BSc, most had MSc. Huge variety of experience and talent. I was staggered at the quality of applicant, it was an impossible task to shortlist, rough guess, 50% Weren't in employment.
Whatever the stats say there's a lot of people out there looking for work, competition appears to be fierce.
Neber really noticed it was here (on the personal level) to be honest. My main job is public sector, so yeah pay rises have been a bit low but it's an area that's pretty much ring-fenced so secure as anything.
My second income (snake oil salesperson & therapist) seems to thrive in periods of stress and uncertaintly so has increased to the point of me having to take on an assistant.
So carry on the good work HMG, I've never had it so good 😀
Yep. Just had a salary hike. 😀
(And paid off the mortgage).
Only scant progress in dealing with issue that caused slowdown
Stop sniping at the back. Your favourite chancellor is doing everything in his power to maintain a housing boom to keep the SE on side. There's no possible downside to stoking house prices with government subsidies. Oh no, none at all.....
Interesting question...
We made 2 project managers redundant last month, but also have vacancies for other positions.
The MOD gravy train is still rolling, as certain core projects (such as Trident) are effectively immune from cutbacks.
We're doing paid design work on the Trident replacement, which will secure jobs for the next 15-20 years at our place.
I appreciate that I'm probably not someone who fits the curve and I've possibly been lucky with some steps on the way, but I graduated in 2002 and initially struggled to find a job. However, since I got started about 6 months after graduation I've been constantly employed, had no serious risk of redundancy (although it looked like a vague possibility for a while last year). My salary has gone from an initial level to 3 times that level over this period, with bonuses each year in my current position and 5% pay increase this year.
I'll be the first to admit that the company I work for has changed massively, we are now owned by a Japanese parent company and a large number of people who were here no longer are. It's not always plain sailing but it really could be a whole lot worse.
I do seem to have been mostly working against the trend for this period though, something I'm quite happy about 🙂
footflaps - Member
Your favourite chancellor
Sorry, who's?
is doing everything in his power to maintain a housing boom to keep the SE on side.
Which I have criticised repeatedly including referring the main instrument of policy as "theft". Please "keep up" at the back 😉
There is significant downside in creating asset bubbles - recent history tells us that most clearly. The root of the crisis lay in flooding markets with liquidity and a time of artificially low interest rates. Sound familiar?
pictonroad - MemberWhatever the stats say there's a lot of people out there looking for work, competition appears to be fierce.
Yep, mostly what we're seeing is improvements in the technology of misleading unemployment stats tbh. 1 in 10 people are underemployed, a 33% rise on 2008, and on average the underemployed want to work an extra 11 hours a week- which basically adds a million people to unemployment stats, if you work in FTEs (about .7 million more than 2008) Splitting 2 jobs into 3 doesn't create a job. The number of full time jobs in the economy has fallen from 64% to 62%- only 35% of all new jobs created since 2008 is full time. The number of people working part time who want full time work has doubled to 1.3 million.
Half of recent graduates aren't in graduate jobs, up about 10%, youth employment is up, long term youth employment is up by a third, adult longterm unemployment is almost at record levels...
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All had BA or BSc, most had MSc. Huge variety of experience and talent. I was staggered at the quality of applicant, it was an impossible task to shortlist, rough guess, 50% Weren't in employment.
What do you expect, we're almost at the stage of giving away a BSc with Cornflakes! They're so universal now, it's no longer an effective differentiator.
Local paper today, school makeing 6 teachers redundant, another school also doing the same, car dealership closed last week management just locked gates 30 jobs gone, local morrisons shut down, B and Q to down size,2 more fire stations to close and one just shut.
I took a 15% pay cut for my new job,
I'm not feeling were out of it yet
However petrol is cheap, that makes a huge difference not just filling up the car, but keeping food and other prices low
Of course that's got sod all to do with the government , its those very rich guys in the dessert that run the show
Beginning of this year I had the best couple of months in ten years.. Then the work stopped, and I mean completely took an absolute nose dive.
I'll hold my hands up and admit I dont know what the hell is really happening with the economy other than say the only people I personally know still pulling in big bucks work in London. Banking and the BBC.
what the hell is really happening with the economy
We have a housing boom in the South East and London is still afloat with overseas cash, what more could you possibly want?
Our house is still worth less than we paid for it 8 years ago so I wouldn't say it's over for us yet!
There's some people with money who are in a pudding?
still pulling in big bucks work in London
housing boom in... ...London
Feels smug*
*At the moment anyway
What do you expect, we're almost at the stage of giving away a BSc with Cornflakes! They're so universal now, it's no longer an effective differentiator.
Rubbish.
It's probably more a case that there's less skilled work going about so people are looking for lower level jobs just to get a foot in the door.
Example - the operator job I'm in asks for 3 C grade standard grades (or GCSE's) as a minimum. Good luck getting in without an HNC. Similarly to get to engineer I need an HNC, my HND isn't enough and I'm doing a BEng to hopefully get moved up. We actually have folk with MEng's and even PHD's trying to get the operator jobs.
Rubbish.
Well we'll have to agree to disagree, with 50% of the population getting a qualification which only 5% used to get and no time for an evolutionary jump in intelligence, we've just lowered the bar by 45%.
As for a lack of skilled jobs, probably depends where you are, less so in the SE.
I wouldn't say that the qualification is any easier, it's more a case of people being pushed that way rather than onto more suitable paths. Not sure how old you are but I was certainly under the impression that if I didn't have a degree I would be doomed to failure for life. So, I ended up going to uni to do a course I didn't like, failed, did it as an HND instead at college (where I actually got my head around it) and a few years later decided I was ready to 'upgrade'.
You could use the argument that the degree is too easy as an excuse for over provision but that's just attacking the symptom rather than the cause (and is a very lazy argument IMO). Besides, anyone who actually has a degree knows that's only half the battle, you could have the best degree going but it often means sod all without relevant experience to back it up. Hence going for lower tier jobs to build experience.
And perhaps geography comes into it. But I know there's no way I'd be moving south for a % rise in wages and several fold increase in living expenses.
David Cameron has presided over an economy with the weakest productivity record of any government since the second world war, the Office for National Statistics said as it revealed output per worker fell again in the final three months of 2014....
The ONS said productivity decreased by 0.2% in the third quarter of the financial year, leaving output per hour worked little changed on the previous year and slightly lower than in 2007, before the UK’s longest and deepest modern recession.
“These estimates show that the absence of productivity growth in the seven years since 2007 is unprecedented in the postwar period,” the ONS said.
...The ONS figures show that with workers producing less than they did in 2007, Britain’s productivity gap with its major economic rivals, such as the US, Germany and France, has widened.
Weak productivity has been the flipside to strong employment growth, since the increase in the number of people working has not been matched by the hourly output of goods and services they have produced.
Up until the global economic crisis, the efficiency of UK workers tended to increase by around 2-2.5% a year. Had that trend continued, productivity would have been 15% higher than it was before the recession.
An alternative measure of productivity, output per worker, showed some growth in 2014 as a result of employees working longer hours.
“This still isn’t great - productivity [growth] has still not even returned to its long-run average rate of about 2%, let alone recouped any of the shortfall relative to its pre-crisis trend,” said Vicky Redwood, UK economist at Capital Economics.
The ONS said that despite Britain’s poor productivity, businesses were keeping their costs in check by keeping a lid on their wage bills.
I wouldn't say that the qualification is any easier,
You sure?
I went back to my faculty 10 years after I graduated to chat to the staff and they were only able to complete the first two years of my three year degree as the quality of entrants was so poor that they spent the first year doing what used to be A levels. Entrance qualifications hadn't changed, just the ability of people with the right A levels was much lower.
I suspect that at Oxbridge the standards are pretty much unchanged, but everywhere else it's definitely been watered down. It was not so longer ago I was explaining Pythagoras to a MEng graduate, who was completely clueless about what used to be considered very basic 'O' level geometry.
I thought degrees were just a financial exchange nowadays? As long as you can pay the fees......
Having said that, I got a degree 20 years ago, and if you met me you'd wonder how I managed to get myself dressed in the morning without injuring myself
the productivity gap is hardly new news and is a direct by product of the government encouraging employers to reduce hours in order to avoid redundancies and allowing flexibility in contracts - so we've got more people working but collectively producing slightly less... the alternative was a massive increase in unemployment and slow job creation.
direct by product of the government encouraging employers to reduce hours
I think you're crediting them with far too much. I doubt any employer gives politicians a second's worth of consideration when working out hiring policies. Low productivity is more likely caused by weak demand and the fact companies haven't cut right back (yet).
just5minutes - I've read exactly that explanation.
I also read an article (I think by Will Hutton) saying that the drop in productivity was also due to the lack of investment by British Companies since 2007. So that previous advances though R&D, and newer technology and equipment simply hasn't happened. And British business never invested anywhere near as much as somewhere like Germany in the first place, preferring to pay any money made as dividends to shareholders instead, rather than invest back in the business
Feels smug*
*At the moment anyway
Smug about living in London? 😆
Is there any link between low productivity and the rise in access to the internet, mobiles and social media, by any chance? 😀
just5minutes - Memberthe productivity gap is hardly new news and is a direct by product of the government encouraging employers to reduce hours in order to avoid redundancies and allowing flexibility in contracts - so we've got more people working but collectively producing slightly less... the alternative was a massive increase in unemployment and slow job creation.
Having just completed another 80+hr week, I wish the government were a bit more successful in their scheming! 😆
Ok, it's a crappy minimum wage job, but surely out of all the (what is it at the mo, 2 million?) unemployed there is someone who is desperate enough.
Where are all the job-thieving foreigners I've been promised? 🙂
what recession?
footflaps - MemberWell we'll have to agree to disagree, with 50% of the population getting a qualification which only 5% used to get and no time for an evolutionary jump in intelligence, we've just lowered the bar by 45%.
Absolute horseflops this; the reason more people are getting more degrees is that more people have the education required and the opportunity required to get them. This is a success story, it's not due to the bar being lowered.
(whether the average bachelor's degree is easier or harder to achieve is a reasonable question, it's just that the attainment rate isn't a remotely useful metric)