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God help us though if corbyn and clegg get in via a coalition!!!
[quote=theotherjonv ]Eh? What happened to 11:15?
Another broken promise
Tories to win.
Labour to take a hammering.
Libs to win back a fair chunk of what they lost.
Cheeky cheeky timing.
To do this after signing article 50, so I'm guessing brexit is inevitable, sucks balls big time. If she had done this with any honour she would have done it before article 50 was signed so the outcome and direction of the nation was genuinely on the cards.
So, just to get this right... If Theresa May wins the general election, she will then have a clear mandate from the people to continue with a hard Brexit, yes?
Wee Jimmy Crankie has worn her down with her referendum and Labour are keeping Corbyn in so no-one votes for them so they won't be in charge when the Brexit bomb fully detonates (clever on their part)
Tories to win.
Labour to take a hammering.
Libs to win back a fair chunk of what they lost.
Seems to be a logical and likely outcome
[quote=ninfan ]So, just to get this right... If Theresa May wins the general election, she will then have a clear mandate from the people to continue with a hard Brexit, yes?
I thought GEs were fought on a range of issues and weren't single issue?
Based on that logic the SNP could just declare independence tomorrow. 😆
God help us though if corbyn and clegg get in via a coalition!!!
God help us though if this is the level of knowledge of the electorate.
Right Corbyn, time to end the worlds longest rope a dope ploy and stop being a useless shite
ninfan - Member
So, just to get this right... If Theresa May wins the general election, she will then have a clear mandate from the people to continue with a hard Brexit, yes?
Pretty much sums it up.
ninfan - Member
So, just to get this right... If Theresa May wins the general election, she will then have a clear mandate from the people to continue with a hard Brexit, yes?
Only if she declares the exact opposite. That is how we know what she wants.
I'd expect this to be a very EU focussed election. North of the border is not worth fighting for, other areas will be very bitter. Expect some changes in traditional voting.
I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords.
Can we vote for England to be independent of politicians?
Tories to win.
Labour to take a hammering.
Libs to win back a fair chunk of what they lost.
Bang on!
Also: UKIP finally put out of its misery as its vote is reduced to 2 old blokes and a woman who shouts at buses. All the UKIP votes going Tory to deliver an absolutely enormous majority. Labour reduced to 100 seats. Corbyn still refuses to resign and all the Momentum muppets elect him as leader again
If Theresa May wins the general election, she will then have a clear mandate from the people to continue with a hard Brexit, yes?
No, because our PR system doesn't reflect that.
It's political manoeuvering of the most ***ish nature.
Time to start campaigning for the Lib Dems.
To do this after signing article 50, so I'm guessing brexit is inevitable, sucks balls big time. If she had done this with any honour she would have done it before article 50 was signed so the outcome and direction of the nation was genuinely on the cards.
Brexit
was
inevitable
when
the
people
voted
for
it.
I thought GEs were fought on a range of issues and weren't single issue?
They are supposed to be, but do you really think that will be the case now? I mean, the referendum was supposed to be about whether the EU was the best way forward for us and ended up being about those dirty foreigners coming over here and taking our jobs.
Interesting times ahead.
"Every Conservative vote will make me Stronger" or whatever she said... that was quite terrifying.
That was one of the most bitter and poisonous announcements I've ever seen a PM make. It's not going to unite anyone or anything, and instead it will make the divisions worse. Not that they care of course, consolidating power is all that counts to the tories. There's a high chance of it backfiring of course. The 48% (possibly more now?) are chomping at the bit to deliver a reaction to brexit, UKIP are in dissarray, the libdems resurgent, Ireland and Scotland out of the picture. If labour can limit their losses then there's a middling chance of a hung parliament. And lets not forget what can happen in an 8 week campaign. May is not a natural campaigner, so there's plenty opportunity for her to screw it up.
so I'm guessing brevet is inevitable, sucks balls big time
We may, at least I hope, end up with some kind of credible opposition as Corbyn will get hoofed off back to the 6th form common room & the Libs will be like a very shouty little dog who you just can't shut up.
@mrlebowski - your last post sums it up.
I think the result is inevitable and, if so, it might give labour the reason and opportunity to rethink who/what they are and become a credible party of opposition.
Not long before we know.
Where are the Green Party? Now would be a time to form a coalition with the Lib dems and lead the charge based on all the green issues that leaving Europe are going to cause.
My Guess is a total UKIP Collapse with the Conservatives taking most of the 24% of the vote which UKIP secured last time, increasing their majority.
I'd imagine the LibDems will secure between 20-40 seats, possible increasing on their best results and securing 20-30% of the popular vote. Labour to hold onto only 130-170 seats.
Conservatives 400 seats
Labour 150ish (+/-20%)
Libdems 30ish (+/-20%)
SNP 55ish (+/-10%)
others 20 seats (+/-20%)
If Theresa May wins the general election, she will then have a clear mandate from the people to continue with a hard Brexit, yes?
Nail. Head. Spot on.
It's not going to unite anyone or anything, and instead it will make the divisions worse.
This.
Any chance that during this campaign, people telling "massive great big whoppers" will get outed BEFORE the vote and not 15 mins after it finishes?
edit: it's a rhetorical question. People will believe what it suits them to believe and make excuses afterwards 🙂
400 pages.
Labour finally get to unleash:
Dianne Abbot
Lady Muck
and the no-hopers
Bring it on!
I think the PM has only called the election to give the whiners and argument mongers on here something to twine about.
So, just to get this right... If Theresa May wins the general election, she will then have a clear mandate from the people to continue with a hard Brexit, yes?
Whoever wins we'll still have a Democracy and not a Unitary State
She had little choice.
If this came to fruition:
....then the current govt majority of 17 would be seriously jeopardised.
Daffy - Member
My Guess is a total UKIP Collapse with the Conservatives taking most of the 24% of the vote which UKIP secured last time, increasing their majority.
Problem is % doesn't translate to seats. If the UKIP voters were already in Tory strongholds it doesn't matter.
Here we have a corrupt old rat bag of a pro-Brexit backbench Tory MP and a great LD candidate in a seat that voted 2/1 to remain.
As a fully paid up Lib Dem my initial thoughts are.... Game on!
Latest polling shows Labour presently 21% behind the Tory's
They'll be lucky to hold 100 seats
God help us! 😯
makes you wonder what the economic projections are looking like for 2019 🙁
binners - MemberLiam Fox to be fired into space
I would vote for that. Who is offering it?
I just wish there was somebody I actually wanted to vote for.
very clever.
Labour are all over the place at the moment and in no place to wage a GE campaign, let alone one in 2 months! but at least it means we will get to hear Corbyn's policies unfettered by media bias and freely heard through the media. Time to get your finger out Jezzer!
God help us!
He already has:
polling shows Labour presently 21% behind the Tory's
Vicar's daughter for the win.
imnotverygood - Member
I just wish there was somebody I actually wanted to vote for.
Well next one to say they wont vote Lib Dem because of tuition fee's needs gets a slap. If people want to hold a tiny grudge at this point they are mad
Cheeky, as Labour don't have time to replace their leader. Remember though that Corbyn did come over quite well in the leadership debates. Perhaps if he has a chance to bring out reasonable popular policies he'll improve Labour's position.
Re LD, I think tuition fees have been pretty much forgotten about now haven't they?
It'll be interesting to see to what extent Brexit or hard Brexit has become a Tory thing, and if some cooling off on hard Brexit will harm the Tories.
Time to get your finger out Jezzer!
Someone best nip up to the allotments and let him know
The benny hill music that plays in my head whenever I think about this countries politics and brexit just got louder............
Well next one to say they wont vote Lib Dem because of tuition fee's needs gets a slap.
What they need is perspective, maturity and an understanding of how coalitions work. But a slap would certainly help get things moving.
Ok
Well next one to say they wont vote Lib Dem because of tuition fee's needs gets a slap. If people want to hold a tiny grudge at this point they are mad
I'd go with the vote Lib Dem get Tory Slogan myself. You could say that them propping up a minority tory regime has led to this debacle/shambles.
This does neatly sidestep the byelections and all those nasty headlines about fraud in those Tory seats
Corbyn looks weaker than ever
May has lurched far enough to the right to keep her frothing back benchers happy and UKIP have completely imploded
she may have lied repeatedly by saying she wouldnt call an early election, but these days broken promises dont even raise an eyebrow
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Farron for PM in shock result.
OR
Corbyn to appear on telly with a black eye to resign from party, Keir Starmer to take over and romp home.
Well looks like the Lib Dems are the only [s]credible[/s] incredible option left.....
Obvious move on May's part really, she can't lose, if she gets kicked out she dodges Brexit, if she wins with a bigger majority (highly likely) she won't be having to fight an election in 2020 just as the Brexshit bomb is going off.
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Wow, Brexit's last chance saloon has extended hours. Lib Dem or Greens...?
Always risk of over thinking this.
People still vote for leaders.
Corbyn is wholly un-electable. They cannot grow their vote under him, Tories will therefore win
and if some cooling off on hard Brexit will harm the Tories.
If she does that she risks the wrath of the right wing press.
Considering how fast she has backed down everytime they raise their voices I reckon no chance of that happening.
anagallis_arvensis - MemberRight Corbyn, time to end the worlds longest rope a dope ploy and stop being a useless shite
Not a chance, even if he didn't have the vast majority of the press against him he's utterly, utterly useless.
I don't believe for a second he's reacted to this news with joy at the chance to win, it's the sinking realisation that his time as (in)effectual opposition is over. He NEVER plans to be PM – maybe, just maybe when he loses – Labour will lose a taste for ‘momentum’.
My prediction –
May is calling this now, not because she wants a clear mandate for A50 – she’s got that, her power in Westminster is total.
She knows the fallout in 2019 is going to be bad, and doesn’t want to fight a GE in 2020 – better to fight an election now, one she cannot lose, and not have to do so again until 2021.
She cannot lose because UKIP (who they actually fear) are in a shambles and their purpose has ended. Labour is in a shambles and offer nothing - most polls show that “the 48%” are now more than 50% - but as the EU is a capitalist version of globalisation they never supported it – not this version of Labour anyway so it won’t referendum 2. She’ll be battered in Scotland, but they did last time anyway. The Lib Dems will claw some back, but can anyone name their leader without Google? The SNP will win every seat they stand in.
Wales (home) is an odd one – the bits that voted remain are typically Tory seats, the bits that voted leave Plaid Cymru who are against Brexit. Some bits – if Labour put forward a potato, they’d still win.
@mikewsmith As an engineering student 2 years into a 4 years course that's going to leave me in £36k of debt in those fees alone, how a party handles issues involving students matters considerably to me. That being said I wouldn't vote Lib Dem and not just because of this, else that would be an ill-considered approach.
At least it will give them some new material for Have I Got News For You? this week, not that they have enough already!!
As an engineering student 2 years into a 4 years course that's going to leave me in £36k of debt in those fees alone
Remind us who introduced tuition fees for students?
The Lib Dems will claw some back, but can anyone name their leader without Google?
I agree, and people vote on the leader
I wouldn't be surprised to see some upset on SNP held seats. Not much change but some.
The Lib Dems will claw some back, but can anyone name their leader without Google?
yes,
unfortunately farron is a slightly odd fellah and born again christian
better option than Maybot tho!
I thought we were just going to give trump the premiership, along with his golden [s]shower[/s] carriage?
As an engineering student 2 years into a 4 years course that's going to leave me in £36k of debt in those fees aloneRemind us who introduced tuition fees for students?
Labour introduced them.
But equally people seem to forget the the Lib Dems were a minority in the coalition and had to horse trade a lot away to get anything they wanted through. Should they have made students fees a red line, well in hindsight yes, but it wasn't so obvious at the time.
oh just imagine if Corbyn was PM (I know) hed have to welcome Trump
thatd be hilarious!
I would piss my pants laughing if Corbyn was PM 😆
But equally people seem to forget the the Lib Dems were a minority in the coalition and had to horse trade a lot away to get anything they wanted through.
Yep. Just goes to show voters don't really underdstand the reality of politics.
But equally people seem to forget the the Lib Dems were a minority in the coalition and had to horse trade a lot away to get anything they wanted through.
I think it is more how enthusiastically they switched to supporting it as opposed to even just going for a free vote on it.
That and their utter incompetence with regards to electoral reform.
how a party handles issues involving students matters considerably to me.
Sadly, this is going to be such a one party, one issue election, that the Tories can remain silent on a whole bunch of issues and do whatever the hell they like after the election, without having to worry about broken promises.
Not that they've ever lost much sleep over them in the past.
Ironic Premier Inn email header from 11:29 today
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I would piss my pants [s]laughing[/s] if Corbyn was PM
makes you wonder what the economic projections are looking like for 2019
Exactly my thoughts!
Must have seen the fast approaching economic shitshow and decided to shore up her majority while the delusions are still firmly in place.
so to make this happen, they're going to have to get every single non-labour MP to vote in favour, plus an additional 15 labour MPs.
Whilst there's some disgruntled lefties about, those voting would have to effectively be ok with the fact they may be forced out of the party - no? as well as significant risk to their jobs.
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The job centre is calling Labour MPs rather sooner than they expected.
Imagine the accusations that could be levelled against a Labour MP voting against a call for election?
1) you don't trust the electorate
2) you don't back your leader
3) you don't back yourself to retain your seat
Almost impossible to defend without some gymnastics.
Must have seen the fast approaching economic shitshow and decided to shore up her majority while the delusions are still firmly in place.
Could be true, but equally May could easily just have thought their majority is pretty slim right now and so getting a lot of pressure from within. So go win a decent majority and you have much more freedom to do what you want, without having to pander to disruptive factions within your own party.
This is like proper 60's and 70's politics, fun times. Going to come as a shock to the young folk.
ELI5: Why is she calling for a snap election?
so to make this happen, they're going to have to get every single non-labour MP to vote in favour, plus an additional 15 labour MPs.Whilst there's some disgruntled lefties about, those voting would have to effectively be ok with the fact they may be forced out of the party - no? as well as significant risk to their jobs.
She also has the option of a self imposed vote of no confidence then being voted down by her own party 🙂
Has Corbyn suffered a major TBI to his frontal lobe? He's saying that Labour will vote in favour of a general election! He's voy
Ting for his own parties demise - the ****ing idiot!
without having to pander to disruptive factions within your own party.
true if you can control who the local party selects as a candidate.....
Apparently a lot of Labour MP's are due to 'do a Zac' say "**** it!" and call it a day. Leaving Jezza with the problem of trying to find some new candidates to lead off an electoral cliff!
The big question is does this leave sufficient time for Russia to hack the system and influence the result?