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God help us though if corbyn and clegg get in via a coalition!!!
God help us though if this is the level of knowledge of the electorate.
Right Corbyn, time to end the worlds longest rope a dope ploy and stop being a useless shite
ninfan - Member
So, just to get this right... If Theresa May wins the general election, she will then have a clear mandate from the people to continue with a hard Brexit, yes?
Pretty much sums it up.
ninfan - Member
So, just to get this right... If Theresa May wins the general election, she will then have a clear mandate from the people to continue with a hard Brexit, yes?
Only if she declares the exact opposite. That is how we know what she wants.
I'd expect this to be a very EU focussed election. North of the border is not worth fighting for, other areas will be very bitter. Expect some changes in traditional voting.
I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords.
Can we vote for England to be independent of politicians?
Tories to win.
Labour to take a hammering.
Libs to win back a fair chunk of what they lost.
Bang on!
Also: UKIP finally put out of its misery as its vote is reduced to 2 old blokes and a woman who shouts at buses. All the UKIP votes going Tory to deliver an absolutely enormous majority. Labour reduced to 100 seats. Corbyn still refuses to resign and all the Momentum muppets elect him as leader again
If Theresa May wins the general election, she will then have a clear mandate from the people to continue with a hard Brexit, yes?
No, because our PR system doesn't reflect that.
It's political manoeuvering of the most ***ish nature.
Time to start campaigning for the Lib Dems.
To do this after signing article 50, so I'm guessing brexit is inevitable, sucks balls big time. If she had done this with any honour she would have done it before article 50 was signed so the outcome and direction of the nation was genuinely on the cards.
Brexit
was
inevitable
when
the
people
voted
for
it.
I thought GEs were fought on a range of issues and weren't single issue?
They are supposed to be, but do you really think that will be the case now? I mean, the referendum was supposed to be about whether the EU was the best way forward for us and ended up being about those dirty foreigners coming over here and taking our jobs.
Interesting times ahead.
"Every Conservative vote will make me Stronger" or whatever she said... that was quite terrifying.
That was one of the most bitter and poisonous announcements I've ever seen a PM make. It's not going to unite anyone or anything, and instead it will make the divisions worse. Not that they care of course, consolidating power is all that counts to the tories. There's a high chance of it backfiring of course. The 48% (possibly more now?) are chomping at the bit to deliver a reaction to brexit, UKIP are in dissarray, the libdems resurgent, Ireland and Scotland out of the picture. If labour can limit their losses then there's a middling chance of a hung parliament. And lets not forget what can happen in an 8 week campaign. May is not a natural campaigner, so there's plenty opportunity for her to screw it up.
so I'm guessing brevet is inevitable, sucks balls big time
We may, at least I hope, end up with some kind of credible opposition as Corbyn will get hoofed off back to the 6th form common room & the Libs will be like a very shouty little dog who you just can't shut up.
@mrlebowski - your last post sums it up.
I think the result is inevitable and, if so, it might give labour the reason and opportunity to rethink who/what they are and become a credible party of opposition.
Not long before we know.
Where are the Green Party? Now would be a time to form a coalition with the Lib dems and lead the charge based on all the green issues that leaving Europe are going to cause.
My Guess is a total UKIP Collapse with the Conservatives taking most of the 24% of the vote which UKIP secured last time, increasing their majority.
I'd imagine the LibDems will secure between 20-40 seats, possible increasing on their best results and securing 20-30% of the popular vote. Labour to hold onto only 130-170 seats.
Conservatives 400 seats
Labour 150ish (+/-20%)
Libdems 30ish (+/-20%)
SNP 55ish (+/-10%)
others 20 seats (+/-20%)
If Theresa May wins the general election, she will then have a clear mandate from the people to continue with a hard Brexit, yes?
Nail. Head. Spot on.
It's not going to unite anyone or anything, and instead it will make the divisions worse.
This.
Any chance that during this campaign, people telling "massive great big whoppers" will get outed BEFORE the vote and not 15 mins after it finishes?
edit: it's a rhetorical question. People will believe what it suits them to believe and make excuses afterwards 🙂
400 pages.
Labour finally get to unleash:
Dianne Abbot
Lady Muck
and the no-hopers
Bring it on!
I think the PM has only called the election to give the whiners and argument mongers on here something to twine about.
So, just to get this right... If Theresa May wins the general election, she will then have a clear mandate from the people to continue with a hard Brexit, yes?
Whoever wins we'll still have a Democracy and not a Unitary State
She had little choice.
If this came to fruition:
....then the current govt majority of 17 would be seriously jeopardised.
Daffy - Member
My Guess is a total UKIP Collapse with the Conservatives taking most of the 24% of the vote which UKIP secured last time, increasing their majority.
Problem is % doesn't translate to seats. If the UKIP voters were already in Tory strongholds it doesn't matter.
Here we have a corrupt old rat bag of a pro-Brexit backbench Tory MP and a great LD candidate in a seat that voted 2/1 to remain.
As a fully paid up Lib Dem my initial thoughts are.... Game on!
Latest polling shows Labour presently 21% behind the Tory's
They'll be lucky to hold 100 seats
God help us! 😯
makes you wonder what the economic projections are looking like for 2019 🙁
binners - MemberLiam Fox to be fired into space
I would vote for that. Who is offering it?
I just wish there was somebody I actually wanted to vote for.
very clever.
Labour are all over the place at the moment and in no place to wage a GE campaign, let alone one in 2 months! but at least it means we will get to hear Corbyn's policies unfettered by media bias and freely heard through the media. Time to get your finger out Jezzer!
God help us!
He already has:
polling shows Labour presently 21% behind the Tory's
Vicar's daughter for the win.
imnotverygood - Member
I just wish there was somebody I actually wanted to vote for.
Well next one to say they wont vote Lib Dem because of tuition fee's needs gets a slap. If people want to hold a tiny grudge at this point they are mad
Cheeky, as Labour don't have time to replace their leader. Remember though that Corbyn did come over quite well in the leadership debates. Perhaps if he has a chance to bring out reasonable popular policies he'll improve Labour's position.
Re LD, I think tuition fees have been pretty much forgotten about now haven't they?
It'll be interesting to see to what extent Brexit or hard Brexit has become a Tory thing, and if some cooling off on hard Brexit will harm the Tories.
Time to get your finger out Jezzer!
Someone best nip up to the allotments and let him know
The benny hill music that plays in my head whenever I think about this countries politics and brexit just got louder............
Well next one to say they wont vote Lib Dem because of tuition fee's needs gets a slap.
What they need is perspective, maturity and an understanding of how coalitions work. But a slap would certainly help get things moving.
Ok
Well next one to say they wont vote Lib Dem because of tuition fee's needs gets a slap. If people want to hold a tiny grudge at this point they are mad
I'd go with the vote Lib Dem get Tory Slogan myself. You could say that them propping up a minority tory regime has led to this debacle/shambles.
This does neatly sidestep the byelections and all those nasty headlines about fraud in those Tory seats
Corbyn looks weaker than ever
May has lurched far enough to the right to keep her frothing back benchers happy and UKIP have completely imploded
she may have lied repeatedly by saying she wouldnt call an early election, but these days broken promises dont even raise an eyebrow
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Farron for PM in shock result.
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Corbyn to appear on telly with a black eye to resign from party, Keir Starmer to take over and romp home.
Well looks like the Lib Dems are the only [s]credible[/s] incredible option left.....
Obvious move on May's part really, she can't lose, if she gets kicked out she dodges Brexit, if she wins with a bigger majority (highly likely) she won't be having to fight an election in 2020 just as the Brexshit bomb is going off.
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Wow, Brexit's last chance saloon has extended hours. Lib Dem or Greens...?
Always risk of over thinking this.
People still vote for leaders.
Corbyn is wholly un-electable. They cannot grow their vote under him, Tories will therefore win
and if some cooling off on hard Brexit will harm the Tories.
If she does that she risks the wrath of the right wing press.
Considering how fast she has backed down everytime they raise their voices I reckon no chance of that happening.
anagallis_arvensis - MemberRight Corbyn, time to end the worlds longest rope a dope ploy and stop being a useless shite
Not a chance, even if he didn't have the vast majority of the press against him he's utterly, utterly useless.
I don't believe for a second he's reacted to this news with joy at the chance to win, it's the sinking realisation that his time as (in)effectual opposition is over. He NEVER plans to be PM – maybe, just maybe when he loses – Labour will lose a taste for ‘momentum’.
My prediction –
May is calling this now, not because she wants a clear mandate for A50 – she’s got that, her power in Westminster is total.
She knows the fallout in 2019 is going to be bad, and doesn’t want to fight a GE in 2020 – better to fight an election now, one she cannot lose, and not have to do so again until 2021.
She cannot lose because UKIP (who they actually fear) are in a shambles and their purpose has ended. Labour is in a shambles and offer nothing - most polls show that “the 48%” are now more than 50% - but as the EU is a capitalist version of globalisation they never supported it – not this version of Labour anyway so it won’t referendum 2. She’ll be battered in Scotland, but they did last time anyway. The Lib Dems will claw some back, but can anyone name their leader without Google? The SNP will win every seat they stand in.
Wales (home) is an odd one – the bits that voted remain are typically Tory seats, the bits that voted leave Plaid Cymru who are against Brexit. Some bits – if Labour put forward a potato, they’d still win.