[Closed] Is May about to call an election?

Somebody has put £10k on Labour to win G.E.

Another person has put £1k on UKIP !!!!!!!!!

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The Tory on Any Questions on R4 last night implied that the pre-emptive use of nuclear weapons was party policy. I know there's a competition for politicians to talk tough but this nutter seemed to be trying to out trump Trump.

Dimbleby was in generous mood I thought- He asked DA how much it would cost to train a policeman but didn't make her answer and also let the Tory off the hook on the nuclear question.

AQ crowd was massively pro Labour.

Vince Cable a drip, the Green guy fantastic as usual.

whos targeting you with political ads?

https://whotargets.me/get-involved/

Nice to see the Tories being so generous as to propose keeping all those EU protected employment rights. The fact they had to add that to the list speaks volumes as there were obvioulsy quite a few who thought they could ditch some.

we got the how to speak to kids one yet? Obviously had the briefing about communicating with da yoofs

The Conservative, who is contesting the seat of Wells, asked the children for their views as they discussed the topic of Scottish independence. When one girl said she'd vote to leave the UK, Mr Heappey, 36, replied: "Why don't you #*&@ off back to Scotland?"

The teenager left the meeting and complained to her father, who supports the Scottish National Party.

Mr Heappey has since sent her a written apology and insists he was joking. He told the Sunday Mirror: "I made a comment – intended only as a joke – but it was inappropriate and I am deeply sorry for any offence caused.

“I wrote to [the pupil] soon after the school brought her concerns to my attention and apologised unreservedly.”

The former army major was elected as an MP in 2015 after working as a researcher for Conservative Liam Fox.

But they'll keep on voting for him.

As people do tories everywhere, its testement to how inept the others are that candidates who clearly nobbers get in time and time again.

I the local elections only the tory could be bothered sending me a leaflet and the GE election the others are total loss, no presence I dont know what they stand for and niether do they.

aaarrggghhh

twitter is telling me Liam Fox is gonna be chancellor soon

Im increasingly starting to think Maybot has got some bad lines of code in her programming

it also looks like Johnson is going to be put on an even shorter lease after todays clown moment

tho if youve ever drunk whiskey out the back of a range rover a a sikh wedding, its obvs not as black & white as that! 😉

[url= https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/17/theresa-may-conservative-tory-policy-older-people-pay-for-social-care ]https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/17/theresa-may-conservative-tory-policy-older-people-pay-for-social-care[/url]

This should go down well...

^^ it should as its a sensible policy. In France the government check the income of not only the parents but the children when it comes to social care provision. In days gone by it was normal for children to care for their elderly parents, repaying the social debt they have for being raised. In many cultures, eg Indian, this is still the norm and many people i know care for their elderly parents.

It would be interesting to see the reaction if that had been a labour policy, though in other news an appetite to increase VAT, taxes and NI.
Another go at her previous abject failure

Commitment to "bear down on immigration from outside the EU" across all visa routes

^^ it should as its a sensible policy

Do you think £100k is a sensible limit for taking the house value into account?

The average house price in the UK is about £220k.

Even in the North East it's £130k.

So basically ordinary working class people are going to have large inheritance tax.

It should also like inheritance be easy to avoid by some smart asset transfers earlier in life to their kids if needed.

Thats a huge death tax, party of low tax eh?

amazing that the tories are going for that, must be the corbyn effect 😉

Paying more to hire migrant workers, will not be popular with business, ambrosia for the kippers and other xenophobes though, seems pointless with record low unemployment

It doesn't actually address the problem that social/elderly care is crap.
What if you don't even own a house and live with dementia for 10 years before dying. How does it help with that?

And as said, many people will get around it exactly as they do today. The approach is the same, albeit with a higher limit.

It would be interesting to see the reaction if that had been a labour policy

Well, no need to speculate as we already heard the Tory response to Labour's proposal to increase inheritance tax. Usual hypocrisy.

It doesn't actually address the problem that social/elderly care is crap.
What if you don't even own a house and live with dementia for 10 years before dying. How does it help with that?

Aah - you mean what happens to you if you're poor? Sorry, mate - not our problem.

In France the government check the income of not only the parents but the children when it comes to social care provision.

Yeah, but as you keep telling us - everything in France is socialist and crap. You can't just cherry-pick items from an overall system - things work together, not in isolation.

many people i know care for their elderly parents

Between tennis coaching and hair appointments, I imagine.

TBF on maybot*, it's an attempt to fix some of the problems of our ageing population while they are distracted by brexshit.
Winter fuel and social care absolutely should be means tested and the housing situation is PARTLY due to them oldies holding all the stock.
According to the polls the OAP brexzombies will vote May all the way even if she is shafting them

* Which is why I don't think it is Maybot- I see the hand of Hammond, but it seems he's on the way out and these plans will be watered down by her ascendent swivel eyed right wingers anyways....

I like the commitment to [s]be as racist as UKIP[/s] reduce immigration.

The immigration commitment is as near to a barefaced lie as we'll get while not being able to predict the future 100%. She couldn't even get NON-EU immigration below 100k but now she's telling us she can get total net down to 5 figures? This is truly bizarre. But y'know, the electorate will suck it up, not care when it fails and blame someone else for that failure. Unless of course, she's planning on making a lot of people leave.

The commitment to reduce immigration would be more worrying if it wasn't the same commitment they made in 2010 and 2015, before increasing immigration to record levels. Instead, it seems likely that it's just dog whistle politics with no intention of actually carrying it through. Though you never know, they could actually be that stupid this time.

Good luck with that trade deal to India once you slap them in the face over the one thing they actually want from us, though. WNTMTTNU

I like the commitment to [s]be as racist as UKIP[/s] reduce immigration.

A solid record of delivery on that one too.

Restricting winter fuel payments, dropping the 2.5% element of the lock and starting to collect some money for at-home care are all steps in the right direction from the only party in a strong enough position to take them.

The thing with the immigration thing is that it's also utter bollocks. Theres the perception in the diseased mind of Paul Dacre, and then there's the reality

So while the Daily Mail screams that we're being 'swamped' with immigrants (who are probably all rapists), at the same time business says that they can't recruit qualified staff, and need immigration to fill the skills gap.

So obviously, as the party of government, who do you listen too? 🙄

Thats a huge death tax, party of low tax eh?

Jeremy *unt knocked that one back on Today. It's not a tax, definitely not. Just a different means of removing money from the public to put into government funds, but not a tax. At all.

now she's telling us she can get total net down to 5 figures?

That is net - you have to take into account the people fleeing in lifeboats when the whole house goes up in flames 😉

I thought it was also quite telling that Jeremy *unt, on Today, classes the fabled 'Just About Managing' as having 100 grand or more in assets

The tory death tax is not going down well on 5live this morning, which is always a good barometer of the opinions of reactionary Daily Mail/The Scum types. Are they trying to lose this election? Even Comrade Corbyn didn't dare suggest that people should pay for their old age care out of their kid's inheritances.

it's a good stick to beat them with at the [b]doorstep [/b]for sure, knock knock "lets talk about the tory death tax, did you know they will taking this when you die to pay for your care...." bing bong "lets talk...."

If ever a party could throw an election this is how to do it. Almost their entire base is made up of better off Pensioners, many who are independent types not wanting to call on the state for anything and many might even prefer a trip to Switzerland than care at the hands of the state. Certainly they won't want anything they might wish to hand down to their children depleted by that state, this is a very stupid move.

Certainly not a price I want to pay just to have her handle Brexit negotiations.

For all the uproar, it is no different to the current situation but allows the deferred payment which is done on a case by case basis by local authority. The new rules means it is available to all and they have a higher allowance too. Hardly the huge death tax.

http://www.ageuk.org.uk/home-and-care/care-homes/the-means-test-and-your-property/

Hardly the huge death tax

Next you'll be telling me that corbyn isn't a dangerous commie with a Bobby Sands tattoo across his back 🙄

is theresa may trying to throw this election?

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TM earlier announcing her immigration policy

I have no problem with the elderly having to use there assets to fund care, £100,000 is still a large inheritance. Being able to pass on money down the generations doesn't help those who come from families with nothing. However the proposal doesn't answer the issue of the poor and old and it won't affect the super rich who would use private care anyway. Inheritance tax would be fairer and would share the money around better but of course that would impact the super rich too.
The Tories are good and making the comfortably well off think the poor are the problem and the poor think that the comfortably well off are no different from the super rich. the super rich then continue to escape taxation whilst the middle and bottom bare the brunt. This time I think they may have misjudged it.

Next you'll be telling me that corbyn isn't a dangerous commie with a Bobby Sands tattoo across his back

Is he a commie? Unlike Putin I've never seen him shirtless so no idea what he has tattooed on his back, could be Margaret Thatcher for all I know or just little bird on his shoulder. Do you have any insight to either of your statements?

so i'd be better off selling my house and spunking the cash prior to getting getting old(er) and not able to wipe my own arse.

No incentive to save money or buy a home then.

Id honestly rather book a one way flight to switzerland than see my assets stripped away and given to some private company.

I have found him shirtless but can't see back so still don't know if he has tattoos
https://twitter.com/tristandross/status/768436972746661888

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Id honestly rather book a one way flight to switzerland than see my assets stripped away and given to some private company.

This. Mrs Daz is currently working as a social worker doing Deprivation of Liberty assessments for those in care. She's been in just about every care home in Calderdale and beyond, and says the standards of care and facilities in many of them are shocking. It'd be nice to think this extra money will go towards improving this, but in a privatised industry I think we all know what will happen. Much like the way housing benefit bankrolls avaricious landlords, this will do the same for private care providers. The principle of people who can afford it paying more towards their care in old age is a good one, but this is the worst possible implementation of it.

I foresee a massive increase in interest-only mortgages. Why own your house outright? Just be sure to keep your own stake at 100K, and pay the interest...

*unt was appalling on the Today program, he can't be expecting to cling on after the election, surely.

"...a country where it doesn't matter where you come from, but where you're going to..."

😆

Oh my god, this is cringeworthy.

We've had the "...many who would will us to fail..." line.

I've lost count on "strong/stronger" now.

Not feeling 'Mainstream' then?

Strong and stable?

Stable and strong?
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MUUUUUUUUUMMMMYYYYYYYYYY!!!![/b]

Not been listening very carefully. Has she actually talked about any policies yet?

Oh, it's finished. Is that it?

Oh Christ!!! She finished with a Churchill quote!

Did I hear a Spitfire make a flypast?

So she wants to hit people on marriage visas again, by increasing the earnings threshold and increasing NHS charges.

Ive spent 2 years now with a constant feeling of paranoia - despite us earning a decent amount and having private healthcare (which doesnt lower the NHS surcharge) - this shit is going to end up with me on valium.

She punishes the people with the least voice - whilst companies like my old one got away with rampant tier 2 visa abuse.

She's either trying to lose it or just being as crap as possible for some sort of dare.

Sky news have just been interviewing pensioners in Gloucester. They are seriously not happy! They looked utterly confused as to how the tories could do this to them. This could quite possibly be the biggest policy cock-up by a political party in a general election campaign in a very long time. Talk about suicide notes 🙂

TBH if it wasn't for the marriage visa rules - I'd be tempted to vote Tory as I'd quite enjoy bathing in the crocodile tears of pensioners.

She's either trying to lose it or just being as crap as possible for some sort of dare.

only if viewed from a more left wing perspective. How it looks to Tory and possible Tory voters is what matters. We'll find that out by June 9th.

Crocodile Tears are fake tears shed for someone else's misfortune. They don't have the legendary moisturising properties of genuine babyboomer tears. 🙂

They've designed that manifesto to piss off as many voters as possible from all sides including their own. Quite remarkable. She really is an incompetent quarter-wit.

They've voted once already to **** up the prospects of their children and grandchildren. What makes you think they won't do it again....

Manifesto here:
[url= https://s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/manifesto2017/Manifesto2017.pdf ]https://s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/manifesto2017/Manifesto2017.pdf[/url]
BBC summary here:
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39960311 ]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39960311[/url]

Seems a lot of spending promises, with unclear methods of paying for them.
Excellent news the tax free allowance will be increased further.
Not so excellent news for rich pensioners.

How it looks to Tory and possible Tory voters

Betrayal? Taking their votes for granted? Punishing the successful and hardworking? To quote one I heard on the radio this morning "I haven't worked my entire life and paid taxes only for the government to take my kid's inheritance away from them".

I still can't actually believe they've proposed this. It's not surprising given their propensity for coming up with stupid policies that their supporters will hate (eg increasing taxes for the self-employed), but this time they can't do the traditional u-turn as it's their flagship policy! Corbyn and co must be laughing their **** off.

Increase the personal allowance to £12,500 and the higher rate to £50,000 by 2020

So how much will that cost?

Probably nothing, as it will never happen, hence the 2020 clause.

Crocodile Tears are fake tears shed for someone else's misfortune. They don't have the legendary moisturising properties of genuine babyboomer tears.

I'm almost tempted to make a return trip to my local this evening - which I've barred myself from, after a bit of an 'incident'.

I just want to sit and luxuriate in the howls of outrage from the true blue, Brexit voting boomers that a tory... A TORY leader hasn't suitably genuflected at their triple-locked, ring-fenced final salary alter 😆

I still can't actually believe they've proposed this.

I can. I remember how incompetent she was as Home Secretary. A godawful crap middle management type who is completely unsuitable for statesmanship.

Corbyn is Mr Clunky but at least when he speaks, turds don't splatter out of his mouth.

Mr Clunky

thats ok with me 🙂

I just want to sit and luxuriate in the howls of outrage from the true blue, Brexit voting boomers that a tory... A TORY leader hasn't suitably genuflected at their triple-locked, ring-fenced final salary alter

It really is a shrewd move though. These folks are so far under Dacre's thumb that there really is no alternative vote for Labour or even Liberal, and they are normally in safe Tory seats.

This election is May being ambitious and trying to pick up middle-aged voters in non-traditional Tory areas. She wants to make Tory marginals into safe seats in future elections.

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I just want to sit and luxuriate in the howls of outrage from the true blue, Brexit voting boomers that a tory... A TORY leader hasn't suitably genuflected at their triple-locked, ring-fenced final salary alter

Do you need reminding what we baby boomers went through for the likes of you? 😉

So how much will that cost?

Probably nothing, as it will never happen, hence the 2020 clause.

Strange conclusion - after all, the personal allowance has risen from £6.5k to £11.5k under the evil Tories

I can. I remember how incompetent she was as Home Secretary. A godawful crap middle management type who is completely unsuitable for statesmanship.

this

shes was impressively incompetent as home sec, who knows what she will manage to balls up the next 5 years of crucial brexit negotiations!

Strange conclusion - after all, the personal allowance has risen from £6.5k to £11.5k under the evil Tories

Wasn't this a Libdem policy the Tories carried on with?

who knows what might balls up teh next 5 years & brexit negotiations!

Is that still a foregone conclusion? Probably, but for the next 3 weeks she's going to be defending what labour are calling the 'dementia tax' and the removal of the triple lock, instead of talking about brexit. Labour were already on the up and she's now gone and presented them with the biggest gift they couldn't ever have imagined.

Do you need reminding what we baby boomers went through for the likes of you?

You mean like a fully funded NHS, free university education, the prospect of actually getting on the property ladder, stable employment...

Life must have been hell.

free university education,

You missed University Grants as well.

You missed University Grants as well.

And better drugs.

It really is a shrewd move though. These folks are so far under Dacre's thumb that there really is no alternative vote for Labour or even Liberal, and they are normally in safe Tory seats.

It really isn't, when you take your core support for granted and then abuse them, it never ends well. Just look at Labour in Scotland.

retiring before you are 85 or whatever Ive got to look forward to

Also the selling off of allajor government assets and the share bonus that followed. Heady times, here is the hangover don't worry every time they wipe your arse it's 50 quid off your house.

You think you're going to be retiring at 85? Or ever? I admire your optimism, my friend 😉

Have your read Catch 22? Where, as Yossarian is flying his 25th mission, it gets raised to 30, then as he's flying his 30th mission, it gets raised to 35......?

It really isn't, when you take your core support for granted and then abuse them, it never ends well. Just look at Labour in Scotland.

Labour took a deliberate decision to move right in the 1990s and won a lot of national elections on the back of it. Then they had to pick a side in the most contentious and bitterly fought referendum in Scots history, with a sort-of centrist party ready to pull away indy-supporting voters.

The big difference is that if you're a Tory-voting, Brexit-supporting, Mail-reading old biddy sitting on property in the south of England, there is no alternative party ready to grab your support. There is simply no way you are voting Labour, and equally unlikely you'd move to the LibDems given their stance on Brexit.

"I haven't worked my entire life and paid taxes only for the government to take my kid's inheritance away from them".

someone else who can't read or understand what they read 🙄
At least his kids will have £100,000. Here in Wales it's £24,000 and not likely to change. Only real difference in Wales the value of your home isn't taken into account when calculating home care. Thats capped at a reasonable £60pw even if your a millionaire.

It says a lot about the ingrained sense of entitlement in certain sections of the population, that not only do they think they should be able to receive unlimited expensive care, stretching over decades, but also be able to do so while retaining all their (still rapidly appreciating) assets, which they can then hand over to their children without paying any tax.

When you think about it, this is actually Mays clause 4 moment with her core support.

The big difference is that if you're a Tory-voting, Brexit-supporting, Mail-reading old biddy sitting on property in the south of England, there is no alternative party ready to grab your support.

They'll vote with their pockets. I'd agree if we were talking a marginal increase in taxes that will cost a small amount more each year, but as I'm sure many ageing middle class people sitting on >500k properties will realise, this could cost them and their kids hundreds of thousands.

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May should go full nasty party now and change the suicide laws - so that if you want to pass on you inheritance you can have the option of walking into a suicide booth.

I've had enough of all these scrounging pensioners taking advantage of the gravy train.