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but surely he is no aristo?.........
He can also claim a direct blood relation to William IV through his father's maternal grandmother.
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Does your employer require you to represent the interests of ordinary people ? Does he require you to understand their daily problems ? Their aspirations, etc etc
Cameron's job doesn't include those things either. He's a political party leader, not a novelist. He doesn't come up with policies, he manages a large group of people who do that for him. His job is to listen to them and make decisions.
Obama made a similar point during the US election campaign.
Cameron's [b]party[/b] need to be able to understand and represent all walks of life etc etc.. if Cameron is a good leader he'll listen to his staff. Something Tony didn't do.
Btw I'm no Tory.
I think we have a problem with our sytem. Roles are not clearly defined. Party leader or national ruler? Vote for your MP or the PM?
If that smug eton-educated, plasic-faced **** and his toff mate get elected then that's it!! I'm leaving the bloody country!!!!*
*about as likely to happen as Daves mates who threatened to leave if labour were elected in 97. Except they didn't, did they? They stuck around and took us to the ****ing cleaners instead.
This whole financial crisis has been caused by labour trying to cosy up to the 'masters of the universe'. Imagine how much damage they can do when they went to eton/oxbridge together and pop round for dinner parties every week? Spare us that!
Does your employer require you to represent the interests of ordinary people ? Does he require you to understand their daily problems ? Their aspirations, etc etc[b]Cameron's job doesn't include those things either. He's a political party leader, not a novelist.[/b]
WTF ? ........"novelists" represent the interests of ordinary people 😕
[i][b]"He doesn't come up with policies"[/b][/i]
Just a few minutes ago on the telly I heard some soppy tart who is Tory shadow transport minister say, "As long as David Cameron is leader of Conservative Party, there will be no third runway at Heathrow".
I remember thinking to myself, "What? not even if Tory party members want it?"
I then gloomily pondered the state of British politics when the leaders of the three main parties all decide as individuals, what their party's policies are. I concluded that this was one of the reasons why British politics is so shite - none of the three main parties have an ounce of democratic debate between them. Pity Britain 😐
"novelists" represent the interests of ordinary people
That was a facetious comment of course - novelists of course have to identify with their target audience in general...
I agree with you in general lynch, but to be honest I think a large part of that leadership cult thing is just image. Most people have only heard of the leaders, so they big them up like that. They clearly aren't all made up by DC, GB or VC.
Hey all those initials mean something else.. cunning.
DC, GB or VC.
Looks like Nick Clegg's campaign managers need to get their act together... 🙂
The other thing Brown and Cameron share, sadly, is the premature death of one of their children.
In Cameron's case it is quite clear that he and his wife spent a lot of time in and out of hospital with their son. I defy anyone to spend a significant period of time in hospital with a sick child and not have their horizons broadened.
In any case, I think background and place of education is irrelevant. I even think personal profit is irrelevant provided the country and society also prosper, in all senses of that word. However, I do want our leaders to be well educated, in the broadest sense of that term, to be able to make good decisions under pressure, to be able to identify the right advice and take it and to be honest about what they get right and what they get wrong, both to themselves and to us. Their accent and their bank balance are unimportant provided they leave the place in better nick than when they started.
Does anyone here have a problem with Thatcher having made a quid or two given that her governments discouraged greed and united our society? Does anyone have a problem with Blair making a quid or two on the back of being an honest bloke who left the country financially prosperous and with a popular foreign policy universally supported by the people of our country and admired by all?
Nope, thought not.
Cameron should not be pretending he is not an aristo - thats the key thing.
He is full of deception on policy issues as well. From Ashcroft to Europe, from economics to the the human rights act he constantly makes claims he should know to be untrue.
This is why his background is important - not because of what it is but because he pretends to be something he is not. It goes to the heart of the deceptive nature of the man.
Lol@myself.. d'oh.. I meant NC... but NC doesn't stand for anything... well apart from North Carolina.
Seriously, I think there are more important issues to consider when election day comes. Who has the most money doesn't really make a difference. Labour not being socialist, again, doesn't make a difference. It's what these people will do for YOU* that counts. I for one will probably vote labour.
*saving fur coats and protecting endangered pound coins is included in that if that's what you want your mp to do
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Cameron may be rish and have several generations of wealth behind him but surely he is no aristo? Where is the country house and 5,000 acres?[/i]
Here apparently?
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[i]"David Cameron was dragged personally into the expenses row last night after it was revealed that he paid off a loan on his London home shortly after taking out a £350,000 taxpayer-funded mortgage (the maximum allowable) on his constituency house.
The disclosure followed a powerful call by the Tory leader yesterday for the ‘full force of the law’ to be deployed against MPs who have abused allowances.[/i]
When questioned about the jiggery-pokery, which although LEGAL, is still questionable on ethical grounds, the Tory Leader replied . . .
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It's what these people will do for YOU* that counts
No it's not. It's what they'll do for the good of the majority, and the country.
But what about Sam Cam's log jam?
You lot are just like a bunch of politicians; always arguing about bollocks, and skirting round the really important issues.
Dave's background is important. Like the way he was selected as a candidate for Witney in the first place.
I was merely pointing out that the education and wealth of a politician is irrelevant (Unless gained illegally, IMO).
You really think the background of a politician is not relevant to the values they will bring to do the job? Really ?You think that upbringing has no bearing on your character or outlook on life? I really will need to see some serious evidence of that as it appears to be preposterous. You think that being privately educated and very wealthy has in no way affected his view of the world. The fact he wants to alter inheritance tax - when financially we are on our knees- to enable the rich to be richer suggest it may have actually affected his outlook on life and judgement.
Upbringing does not affect values ... what nonsense.
Does anyone here have a problem with [b]Thatcher[/b] having made a quid or two given that [b]her governments [i]discouraged greed[/i] and [i]united[/i] our society?[/b]
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[b]What ****ing planet are you on[/b]
I'd rather someone successful become our Leader than someone who was successful at making their way in the cut and thrust of internal Politics become our leader.
You really think the background of a politician is not relevant to the values they will bring to do the job
Background and values are not necessarily related. Lots of toffs are great philanthropists, but equally lots are scumbags. Likewise proles.
The fact he wants to alter inheritance tax - when financially we are on our knees- to enable the rich to be richer suggest it may have actually affected his outlook on life and judgement.
Or it could be a vote-winner for the middle classes that has been a hot topic for ages. Democracy again. You come up with ideas that win votes.
I'd rather someone successful become our Leader than someone who was successful at making their way in the cut and thrust of internal Politics become our leader.
Time for a little nap, Hora? 😀
given he followed the thatcher quote with
Does anyone have a problem with Blair making a quid or two on the back of being an honest bloke who left the country financially prosperous and with a popular foreign policy universally supported by the people of our country and admired by all?
I went for Irony ...no one can be both literate and that stupid
EDIT: Molgrips
Background and values are not necessarily related.
Where do the values come from then if not your background/environment/ experience? Really from where? What shapes you into the person you become then ? Great wealth alters this experience and makes it hard to know what normal people experience. DO you tyhink dave has mates in the inner cities or ever hung around with people with low incomes [ say 50K a year even?]You think this wont have affected his view of the world? I bet you think that growing up in area where no one works and everyone is on the dole wont affect your outlook either.
Does anyone here have a problem with Thatcher having made a quid or two given that her governments discouraged greed and united our society?
Fantastic. Do you do a special discount for pensioners on the Wednesday? 😆
I went for Irony ...no one can be both literate and that stupid
Fairy muff - I must confess that I had blown my fuses before getting that far 😳
He's right of course, Thatcher did unite the whole country in hatred of her...
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Still haven't worked out who kept voting for the b!tch - ballet fixing conspiracy, or another example of democracy not being for the hard of thinking
I went for Irony ...
And ended up with sarcasm..
hora - MemberI'd rather someone successful become our Leader than someone who was successful at making their way in the cut and thrust of internal Politics become our leader.
So you won't be voting for David Cameron's party then.
Funny that, cause I had you down as a Tory.
Oh here comes the virtual picket line 🙄
Hora, step away from the keyboard. You're way, way out of your depth with Ernie here. He'll toy with you, then destroy you. And he'll do it just for fun... 😯
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What ****ing planet are you on
As Junkyard correctly identified the effing planet was one called Irony.
Roxanne Kowalski: I was being ironic.
C.D. Bales: Oh, ho, ho, irony! Oh, no, no, we don't get that here. See, uh, people ski topless here while smoking dope, so irony's not really a, a high priority. We haven't had any irony here since about, uh, '83, when I was the only practitioner of it. And I stopped because I was tired of being stared at.