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I was born 73 so too young to remember Punk. But I gather the country was in a poor economic and social state, a lot of people unhappy with the current establishment and decided to do something about it.
AFAIK Punk was a political and social movement, of which the music was just the most visible and loudest expression.
So are we going to see a new Punk movement? Or do we lack the ideology now. Or was Punk just Malcolm McLaren playing games to make himself rich?...
a few years of rick wakeman 6hr keyboard solos is needed first to kick it off.
We lack the ideology now. The soundtrack to our times is the X-factor sh*t.
Less focused anger and way more resignation nowadays, I'd say.
Time for Leonard Cohen, maybe. 😐
I hope not, I can't stand it.
Plus re-hashing a 35 year old music scene as a form of protest/statement wouldn't really fit the 'punk' ethos surely- that really would be apathetic.
Punk at its core was a bunch of middle class tossbags trying to pretend they were working class rebells.
Or do we lack the ideology now.
Yes, sadly.
Younger people were very politicised in the 70's and 80's, to an extent that would be unthinkable these days.
The same energy is there, but seems to be directed toward individual gain rather than a desire for social change.
Of course, we've been drip fed the 'greed is good' mantra for so long now that it would be surprising if this were not the case.
Altruism and a desire to help one's fellow man is now regarded with suspicion and derision, rather than something to aspire to an be proud of.
And yes, I blame HER. Partly, anyway. (Anyway, dancing trousers at the ready, can't be long now.)
As to the music, Punk wasn't very original anyway, just stripped down, speeded up Rock 'n' Roll.
Brilliant, but not original.
Some twist on an old idea will come along and refresh us all when the time is right, but do young people care about music enough for it to matter?
Perhaps the time as music as a symbol of social change ended with the death of the generation gap?
I get what you mean - nothing else quite captures the anger, venom and energy as punk and it's later offspring.
However, plenty of other music from the 70s and early 80s has very strong political messages.
That political "bite" appears to have largely disappeared.
[not sure that I should admit this]
Was listening to "Streetfighting Years" on the ipod last week (the album title pretty much sums it up)...
... and was reminded how [u]so much has changed[/u] and how [u][b]so much remains the same[/b][/u]
"Mandela Day" -
It was 25 years they take that man awayBut freedom moves him closer every day.Wipe the tears down from your saddened eyeThey say Mandela's freeso step outside.Mandela day - Mandela's free.It was 25 years ago this very day
Originally played at Wembley a couple of years [i]before[/i] Mandela's release
He's been out of jail for 21 years now!!!
Yet the Tories (at the time) accused the band as being "left wing scum" for playing an anti-apartheid gig 👿
it's because no-one really gives a _____ any more. as long as they have the latest Iphone, can tweet folks about x factor and watch endless drivel on the idiot box, what do they need to care about the real world?
Punk never went away in some circles...
Twitter is the new punk.
Or so some people will probably try to claim.
i care tazzy.... i care.
just cos music doesnt have guitarz being smashed about doesnt mean it can't be political 🙂 i do likes me guitarz though!
Punk hasn't died,
It's got grey hair and sore knees, but underneath it's still 21 8)
rkk01, Simple Minds were, at the very best, post-punk in their Life In A Day period, then mutated into stadium AOR (New Gold Dream onwards).
Maybe they were punk when they were Johnny & The Self Abusers, but that band really only existed for one single, as far as I'm aware.
Doesn't matter that you were born in 1973. I was born in 1971. The punk era was 1986. For me that is, for you it was 1988. The golden age of punk is whatever year you were revising for your o levels listening to a second hand copy of Never Mind the Bollocks bought from a record stall in the indoor market.
Plus re-hashing a 35 year old music scene as a form of protest/statement wouldn't really fit the 'punk' ethos surely- that really would be apathetic.
I disagree. It would be DIY, anti-establishment, anti-current music and - well - punk.
I always thought Never Mind the Bollocks was crap. It inspired some terrific bands, but was ultimately crap.
The golden age of punk is whatever year you were [s]revising for[/s] wizzing off your tits and flunking your o levels
put a safety pin through that for you 😉
I always thought Never Mind the Bollocks was crap.
Burn him!!!!!!!
Great album, even the lighter stuff.....
rkk01, Simple Minds were, at the very best, post-punk in their Life In A Day period, then mutated into stadium AOR (New Gold Dream onwards).Maybe they were punk when they were Johnny & The Self Abusers, but that band really only existed for one single, as far as I'm aware.
errr, I wasn't suggesting that Simple Minds were a punk outfit - just highlighting that a whole stack of music and musicians in the 70s and 80s were political, in a way that no longer appears to be the case...
I always thought Never Mind the Bollocks was crap. It inspired some terrific bands, but was ultimately crap.
😯 but' but' but'............ 😥
PMJ, I just can't accept that!
Holidays in the Sun
Bodies
No Feelings
God Save the Queen
Anarchy in the UK
Submission
Pretty Vacant
EMI
I've dropped a couple of the weaker ones, but of the remainder, which would you leave out?
We lack the ideology now. The soundtrack to our times is the X-factor sh*t.
I don't know about that..
the way I see it is that the underground is well enough developed and evolved to know that with a bit of nowse you can do [i]exactly[/i] as you please and that what the government and the old folks get up to is entirely their own busines..
fashion victims will always be fashion victims whether they are following sid vicious or simon cowell..
I'd be really disappointed if "punk" came again as a rehashing of old guitar music with shouty vocals. Great (fantastic! life changing!) at the time, but I really don't see how a musical revolution could consist of some "heard it all before" guitar music.
The musical landscape (huh? did I just say musical landscape??!) has moved on so much from the 70s it would be virtually impossible for a new type of music to come along and f*ck up the establishment like punk did.
I mean you hear the C*** word on TV these days!
"Punk was the sound of my voice". - Johnny Lydon (nee Rotten).
Unfortunately they tried a few years back and we ended up with these gonks:
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Rollins explains it:
Dogbert has a point. Bleurgh. That Limp Bizkit singer (can't be arsed to remember his name) what a prize twonk.
Dogbert has a point. Bleurgh. That Limp Bizkit singer (can't be arsed to remember his name) what a prize twonk
Thank you 🙂
I loved Punk, and it's off shots (hardcore, straight edge etc) but there is nothing up to date with the same ethics, they all end up on MTV then turn up at a fashion show and get married to Avril Lavigne - f*ck that
Fugazi are probably the most up to date and most releases from the Dischord label are worth a look. Joe Lally (Fugazi bass player) his stuff is quite mellow
Try Frank Turner - Thatcher F***** the kids - great song writer.
Given the choice i'm sure you would too 😆Avril Lavigne - f*ck that
If it came with a time machine and it all sounded brand new again. I'd have it.
Remember the first time you saw these lot?
DKs - listened to California Uber Alles & Kill The Poor a couple of weeks back....their early stuff still stands up.
Bad Religion never really gave up - The Empire Strikes First was every bit as bile-filled as their previous work, and again, it's something I still listen to.
Newer punk bands seem to be largely US, and I'm a big fan of AFI and Rise Against (though not the whole straight edge thing).
Punk never went away.
Wasn't aware that's really ever gone away!
Grunge was the new punk.
Dubstep is probably the new Grunge.
A musical revolution to unite the kids against the man? I doubt it will ever happen again, not when kids rely on mummy and daddy until they're 30. You also need a demographic spike to help sustain a movement.
Burn him!!!!!!!
😆
Fugazi. Pure brilliance.
lets think about it..
why re-instate a tired 40 year old genre, when, if kids want to feel part of a rebellion, they can pay £2 to gain entry to any dingy rave hole in the country.. to listen to earth shattering new sounds with an explicitly anti-establishment, sexy, druggy theme..?
In the 70s were people really asking themselves if a good old Swingtime revival would wake the rebellious kids up..?
With a whole generation growing up with punk and hippy parents, and now a whole load of second generation ravers, the youf dem probably feel that it's most rebellious to get a nice litte job working for the man..
Young soul rebels these days realise that they can happily get off their faces and sit around in bedsits having sex between raves without having to get up everyone's nose about it.. (apart from an occasional bout of looting perhaps..)
Somehow the aftermath of the government's blind panic regarding the early 90s rave scene has resulted in a workable compromise..
shame really..
What about some working class Oi.
...if kids want to feel part of a rebellion, they can pay £2 to gain entry to any dingy rave hole in the country.. to listen to earth shattering new sounds with an explicitly anti-establishment, sexy, druggy theme..?
So what you're saying is that grime and dubstep are the new punk? 😉
punk sounds about as edgy as a britney song to todays kids. you need to get into this kinda territory to start making kids feel like they're listening to something their parents wouldn't:
WARNING: there is a naughty word at the start of the track.
Music is too diverse now to have a genre that could polarise opinion.
If you want political comment and calls to arms have a listen to some traditional folk music (listen to the lyrics). They weren't smashing TV studios (obviously), but social and sexual politics play a big part in music tha was "written" hundreds of years ago.
Isn't the music the kids listen to these days political, bragging bout your bling and honey's and wanted to pop some caps in a sucka?
Who cares?
I really don't think I do anymore.
.if kids want to feel part of a rebellion, they can pay £2 to gain entry to any dingy rave hole in the country.. to listen to earth shattering new sounds with an explicitly anti-establishment, sexy, druggy theme..?
So what you're saying is that grime and dubstep are the new punk?
I'd go with that. Its not a musical style, its an attitude of mind. The Clash were the greatest 'successful' punk band imho. They constantly explored and redefined themselves.
thats only a couple of levels harsher than slayer in reality though and I have been listening to them since I was a kid... and have been to a few grindcore gigs in my time so my kids are screwed.
FUGAZI are awesome!!!!!!
Operation Ivy were amazing until they became rancid.
ALL
Descendants
could go on all day...
modern takes that I have enjoyed are F*cked up and pissed jeans both awesome.
[i]bragging bout your bling and honey's and wanted to pop some caps in a sucka?[/i]
🙄 lazy