[Closed] Is it time for Punk again?

thats only a couple of levels harsher than slayer in reality though and I have been listening to them since I was a kid... and have been to a few grindcore gigs in my time so my kids are screwed.

ahhh you'll have kids that listen to nothing but lady gaga unplugged as a way of rebelling 😆

what old people (apart from dezzy-B and tazzy) dont seem to grasp is the huge amount of genres and sub-genres, then how extreme each of those sub-genres can be taken... combine that with how accessible music is nowadays and you end up with a generation that loves music, and more often than not, loves a massive variety of music.

if you want to rebel, its through flesh tunnels the size of an essex girls hoop earrings and justin beiber tattoos on your neck.

Plus 1 for the folk angle, never was cool, never will be, but was always rebellious! 🙂
Unfortunately we've bred a generation so closed minded that they'll never even consider listening to it. 🙁
But then again, only a tiny fraction of the seventies youth actually listened to punk so maybe there's a hope after all?

MSP - Member
Punk at its core was a bunch of middle class tossbags trying to pretend they were working class rebels

Totally agree,'punk' was the start of bands being 'imagined up' just to sell T shirts 🙄

Anyway, the MCTs have STW (and similar) now so don't even need to leave their warrior chairs to start the revolution 😆

[i]what old people (apart from dezzy-B)[/i]

Thanks.. Er, hang on!

😆 you cant hide from your grey sideburns!

you do have excellent music taste and you're older than the demographic that's being discussed in the thread, unlike young emsz and my fine self.

tis all i meant guv, honest!

if you want to rebel, its through flesh tunnels the size of an essex girls hoop earrings and justin beiber tattoos on your neck.

ha ha... anything but that mong lady gaga... somebody should 'John Lennon' her. 😉

[i]Unfortunately we've bred a generation so closed minded that they'll never even consider listening to it. [/i]

so should I stop listening to Laura marling, Bon Iver, Bombay Bicycle Club, Avet Bros, Sufjan Stevens, Broken Records, Washington, The Decemberists and on and on

I don't think it's my generation with the closed minds TBH 🙄

*laughs at young phillip, ruffles his hair for his young impish ways and promises to kick him soundly in the nut clusters for mocking the oldies*

actually.... isnt x-factor pop essentially the new punk... most 'adults' hate it 'cos its not proper music' and is probably damaging the younger generations minds with its messages and image?

just a thought!

EDIT - tazzy, you didnt notice my ninja editing skillz that pay the billz?

I like Lady gaga at least she's a bit more interesting....let's face it if it had been kate bush doing such stuff many here would reminisce about how marvellous it was 😆

anything but that mong lady gaga... somebody should 'John Lennon' her

Give her a break, dude. In a couple of decades she'll be advertising butter-like products just like Johnny Lydon. 😡

...or speedy car insurance like Iggy 'Sag Boy' Pop. 👿

with its messages

X factor had no message, it's as pointless as an orange 5 in london

true, some of the bland cheryl cole style pop has no message, but there's a lot of UK music (hip hop, accoustic singer/songwriter... tech/djent/metal etc) that is busting with political messages.

phillip, you are the stealthy edit ninja master have a gold star and a scratch and sniff sticker

Folk punk, you say?

[i]...or speedy car insurance like Iggy 'Sag Boy' Pop[/i]

I forgive Iggy. I mean the guy is well into his 60s, he's not likely to come out with anything new, so let him cash in on his cartoon persona.
He is Iggy.

...as pointless as an Orange 5 in London.

😆

[s]Punk[/s] Mountain biking at its core [s]was[/s] is a bunch of middle class tossbags trying to pretend they [s]were[/s] are [s]working class[/s] rebels

FTFY. 😉

...or speedy car insurance like Iggy 'Sag Boy' Pop

I forgive Iggy. I mean the guy is well into his 60s, he's not likely to come out with anything new, so let him cash in on his cartoon persona.

I forgive him, too.

I also forgive Mr. T for hawking nut-laden confectionary.

Johnny Lydon... **** ?

Unfortunately we've bred a generation so closed minded that they'll never even consider listening to it.

oh dear

Isn't the music the kids listen to these days political, bragging bout your bling and honey's and wanted to pop some caps in a sucka?

oh dear

I was too young to listen to 70's punk, but grew up listening to hardcore/metal/hiphop from the late 80's onwards. Most of it had a political edge. It was pretty much out of step (Minor Threat reference 😉 ) from the mainstream music of the time.
We hated 70's punk coz it was full of old farts who wanted to drink cider and were more interested in having the right clothes.

I don't think it's any different now, young people always feel pretty pissed off with the world. As they should. I think things are more "punk" now - you don't need a record label (independent or not) or even any physical distribution to get your music/message out.

And maybe kids don't see music as the only way of protesting. Look at hacking collectives, that's sticking it to the man in a much more effective way than making someone tut at your bondage trousers.

Emsz, Where did I suggest that you should do anything, let alone stop listening to non mainstream music? If anything my post would've put you into the niche of hope! 😉
I dunno, the youth today with their closed minded reflex reactionary ways, eh? (BIGGEST POSSIBLE 😉 )
I know quite a few teens and young uns as well as old farts with fabulously eclectic and interesting tastes in music, that still doesn't mean that they are the mainstream anymore than the Teds, hippies, rockers, mods, punks, ravers or crusties were. There might've been 10's of thousands of ravers in fields in the early 90's but they were always massively outnumbered buy the folks in 'Shaggers' down the high street. Always has been, always will be.
Cowell didn't make his fortune pandering to the niches. There's a reason why Bieber has more money than Bombay Bicycle club, and it's not musical talent level!
Enjoy your niche status but don't kid yourself that you're in the musical mainstream of your generation anymore that I am in mine.

Transmute erm... 😳

I know what you mean, loads of my friends have absolutely no interest in music outside the top 10 or Heart FM. I've a mum and dad who made the annual trip to Glastonbury the summer holiday, and an uncle who took me to gigs in sweaty pubs and venues from 12 onwards to thank for my 'education'

If only they knew what they were missing!!

At last, this thread's starting to feel a bit punk! 😡

* Senses the spirit of punk past returning *

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I'm goin' ta kick that cat's ****in' head in, coz I don't care.

Punk rulz

Slightly more pissed off and political:

I used to commute through Clapton - lovely place. Just wouldn't want to stop there.

Hurrah for the fellow elder wierdo's who show the young the option to try out different stuff eh EMSZ! 😀
(my sister in law is also a Heart FM drone so I feel your pain! 😉 )

If only they knew what they were missing!!

so should I stop listening to Laura marling, Bon Iver, Bombay Bicycle Club, Avet Bros, Sufjan Stevens, Broken Records, Washington, The Decemberists and on and on
I don't think it's my generation with the closed minds TBH

Unfortunately we've bred a generation so closed minded that they'll never even consider listening to it.

Since being with the other half I've taken her to see (among others) DJ Krush vs. DJ Kentaro, Maceo Parker and Therapy?

I like to think that we're being at least a little eclectic. 🙂

I think the point is it is no longer listened to en-mass.

There used to be a reasonable amount of music with a political message, and/or a social conscience, which broke through into mainstream charts. It helped develop the listeners sense of the world, there were opinions expressed outside of the message of mainstream media, yet it was delivered through that same media.

The fact that a few niche whore on here listen to (or claim to)some different stuff doesn't mean its been heard by many others.

Some of the old punky types on my facebook list are rumbling.. must be something in the air..
this is a direct quote from a status update this very evening:

When the people of the country have forgotten how to disagree
And the national economy is said to be OK
And the wages that you get will help you to forget
Will you keep your ideologies or throw them all away?

... When the system has you beaten
Even now you haven't eaten
Cos you can't afford to eat or drink to keep your brain alive
You blame the system for the weather but carry on as ever
You go to work at half past eight and come back home at five

You can go blue in the face talking about the human race
How they got to outer space but it never stopped the wars
And how the whole of this humanity is based on greed and vanity
The ones who make decisions are the ones who make the laws

But you're still in this society
So what's your main priority
Remain in the majority who never really cared?
Or cultivate the hate to annihilate the state
Are you prepared to die for your beliefs or just to dye your hair?

The anarchist, the nihilist but can you prove that you exist
To apopulation who insist you're just a bunch of fakes
You cannot change the system until you change your own restrictions
Communication and conviction - got to kick until it breaks

I've been playing in hardcore punk bands since 1988. I'm still playing. Punk is really big all over the world, it's just underground which is the way I like it. I should really know better but I enjoy it. I get to travel all over the place with the support of the D.I.Y punk scene. It's not perfect but it's real. We are not changing the world but we're still trying.

To get punk, first you need five years of 'Disco' torture and a Music business that's gone super corporate.

Punk never went away... Just a lot of punks lost interest but convinced themselves it was the music that changed, not them. [i]IMO ;)[/i]

transmute - Member

snip <folk>Unfortunately we've bred a generation so closed minded that they'll never even consider listening to it.

You think so? Folk looks pretty healthy from where I'm standing... At the mighty age of 32 I've been one of the oldest people at all the recent folk gigs I've been at, including the bands.

Well I was there pogoing to a series of punk bands that couldn't play in Barbarella's and don't remember anything political or social about it - anti-social and anti-political maybe. I lost interest when the gobbing got out of hand. The new wave that punk inspired I liked much more and still play.

As mudmonster says punk lives on in places you might not expect it. "Punk and roll" rather than pure punk though. Die Ärzte and Extrabreit in Germany for example.

STW is bugging again - I now have the "Video" icon so here you go:

Only the second one seems to be playing.

Fugazi. Pure brilliance.

indeed 😀 I don't really listen to much punk, the "traditional" punk sound isn't really my sort of thing but I admit I do enjoy catchy pop-punk stuff like Blink 182! I also love properly 'orrible sounding stuff like this which is classed as hardcore apparently.

snip <folk>Unfortunately we've bred a generation so closed minded that they'll never even consider listening to it.

You think so? Folk looks pretty healthy from where I'm standing... At the mighty age of 32 I've been one of the oldest people at all the recent folk gigs I've been at, including the bands.

I agree that folk's in better shape than it's been for ages! 🙂
But the bigger pity and my point is it's still nowhere compared to the mainstream that most of the population will never venture outside of!
Your bog standard clubs will be playing generic tunes to halls packed with many times more people than the folk clubs will ever do! Despite the folk scene being full of individual and witty and opinionated talents and tunes! (you did notice the link I posted as an example of a fine and powerful song?)
But until Hollow Point's played in the middle of the X-factor or on MTV or even on radio one then it's never going to reach the masses that it deserves!
Back in the 70's, 80's and even into some of the 90's alternative viewpoints in songs could stumble into the wider stage and be seen by non enthusiasts in passing. You'd get the Specials doing Ghost town on top of the pops, you'd get Frankie goes to hollywood making your dad feel uncomfortable while singing about nuclear war, next to the Cure and the Smiths and then you'd have U2 with bloody sunday and later Pulp with Common people, to mention a tiny few, all being seen and heard by people who tuned in to see Joe Dolce or Robson and Jerome or whatever massive selling hit was about at the time.
If there was another punk bubbling under I fear it would never get to see the light of widespread broadcast day in the current climate and that's far more damaging for our society than what brand of tune it may be.
It's better to discard an opinion that you've seen than never to have had the opportunity to make that decision in the first place.

(and if anyone's still reading this far down * Wolfie Smith mode/ Power to the people! (etc.) Wolfie Smith mode/ off* )

I think you're underestimating the youth there wolfie.. and the power of internet and the perception of cool..

What gets aired on TV and radio and played in cheap nightclubs is one thing.. and possibly a sector of young schoolkids are influenced by it.. along with some culturally lazy older parents
But in my experience.. if you're hearing it on the TV or the mainstream radio then the college aged kids almost certainly aren't listening to it..

transmute,

I sort of agree with you and I sort of don't, I know loads of people, myself included who're are happy to switch on Heart FM and mess about in the Kitchen/whatever with some pleasant background music. What I do know is NONE of any of my friends would actively buy/download/steal that sort of music (appart from maybe one or two standout tracks). The music world is full to bursting atm with all sorts of fantastic music from all sorts of genres, it's just that there so many outlets, that by the time it's got to "The Mainstream" it's so out of date that it gets more or less ignored.

Take for example Two door Cinema Club. they released on the Kitsune label a track called "Something Good can Work" in 2009, I heard it the other day on radio one and was told they'd released it as a single. 2 years later!!! Nice track, but been to see them, lost interest, moved on...

Point is there's so much out there, it's hard to keep up, don't panic though, it's not all X factor 😀

I thought it was this bands time.

http://www.wulyf.org/

I thought it was this bands time.

http://www.wulyf.org/

According to the NME eh?
Shame they are absolute shit really.