[Closed] Is it racist...

I work in a veterinary surgery, our surgeon Leroy, a 6'3" black guy of around 50yrs old, laughs his tits off when we get a Maine Coon in.

You know what. On this occasion CM is right.

CharlieMungus - Member
Oh,**** off.

You know, just because you can use the word
It doesn't mean you should.

Now, now Charles no need for profanity. Words are just words, some people are offended by them and some aren't, regardless of their ethnicity. Why do you find this so difficult to understand? 😉

I don't use the word and I don't like it. In fact I find racism abhorrent, but I point blank refuse to take offense at a collection of letters. In my opinion it's giving in to the hatred.

The fact that some people in Australia have chosen to reclaim Wog kinda makes me happy and I say fair play to them for doing so.

It's for your own good really, I recognise you aren't very smart and I'm worried that you might go out there and use the term, thinking that it's OK,.l just because you get the timpression that its OK in here. You might find yourself in bother with people who might not appreciate or take time to read the Guardian article

I don't use the word

and I don't like it. In fact I find racism abhorrent, but I point blank refuse to take offense at a collection of letters

Don't worry about me or my intellect. Resorting to personal insults is never a good sign. I grew up in West Yorkshire within a melting pot of different cultures and ethnicities. I have friends from all kinds of different backgrounds. I have taken part in anti-racism demonstrations.

I had to use the word in order to ask what it meant. I've never heard the term porridge wog before. You want to have a debate on an open forum about these words, but without actually typing them?

Don't worry about me or my intellect. [s]Resulting[/s] Resorting to personal insults is never a good sign.

It wasn't an insult, it was just repeating what you said yourself.

Thanks for correcting what auto-correct did on my phone. That's really kind of you.

OK, group hug and beaker time now, surely?

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😆 at Drac and the Captain

Thanks for correcting what auto-correct did on my phone. That's really kind of you

Yeah. Sure, and congratulations.

CharlieMungus - Member

Oh,**** off.

You know, just because you can use the word
It doesn't mean you should.

and what gives you the right to tell people what they can and can't say.

and what gives you the right to tell people what they can and can't say.

Ok, where did I say that? Or which word is it you didn't understand?

CharlieMungus - Member

Ok, where did I say that? Or which word is it you didn't understand?

and you're questioning other people's intelligence lol

Charlie - calm down a bit dude.

I hate bigotry in all forms and have campaigned against it all my life. You are going well over the top on this thread IMO

and you're questioning other people's intelligence lol

But apart from that, you made some interesting points, though you did fail to show me, as I asked.

TJ, going over the top? Tell me what do you think is an appropriate reaction to some one using the word wog, or trying to justify it, even if modified by the word porridge? Is 'potato ****' acceptable too?

This is getting a bit out of hand now. You questioned my intelligence (twice over the last 24 pages) and lost the plot at me because I questioned what porridge wog meant after somebody else had already typed it.

I will admit I've been guilty of poking you with a big stick occasionally just to watch the reaction and I apologise for this and will stop doing it

This is getting a bit out of hand now. You questioned my intelligence

But I knew you wouldn't take offence, because, well, it's only a collection of letters

You have utterly lost me now. Maybe it's because I is thick? I'm not offended, just completely bemused to be honest!

Charlie - you have made your point. All you are doing now is perpetuating the arguement and quite honesty from where I sit your reactions seem rather Millie Tant.

there is a point at which reactions like yours cause a counter reaction thus become counter productive and IMO you passed that a while go

You have utterly lost me now. Maybe it's because I is thick? I'm not offended, just completely bemused to be honest!

Well, which bit was it you didn't understand?

TJ, you may be right, but I find it difficult to let such casual bigotry pass, especially in a culture where there seems to be a tacit acceptance of it

I'm not playing with you anymore as you appear to have stopped making any sense whatsoever. I'm going to have an adult discussion with the piece of broken masonry I can see from my office window. At least it won't contradict itself every five minutes.

Only a ninja can sneak up on another ninja

Charlie - this is the lesson I tried to learn from my banning. Make you point and move on. Its not easy - my fingers twitch over the keyboard often

Try thinking after you write it but before you hit post " does this post add anything to the debate or is it simply the same point over and over again?"

I'm not playing with you anymore as you appear to have stopped making any sense whatsoever. I'm going to have an adult discussion with the piece of broken masonry I can see from my office window. At least it won't contradict itself every five minutes

Ok, just one last attempt to explain...
1) Previously, you said you were not very intelligent (or words to that effect)
2) This time I said you were not very intelligent

See? I don't know you but I trusted your judgement on this!
We agree!

I don't know where the other insult to your intelligence occurred in this thread, but I'm sure if you point it out, I can clarify that too.

does this post add anything to the debate or is it simply the same point over and over again?"

It only happens when people ask the same question over again. You'll notice I only start with a statement, pretty much everything else is a response when I am directly addressed

1) Previously, you said you were not very intelligent (or words to that effect)

Where? I don't recall doing so, hence my confusion.

OK own up, who replaced TJ with Kofi Annan?

"I refer the honourable gentleman to the post I made earlier"

Its the urge to get the last word in that does for folk like you and me.

I am trying to give you the perspective I gained from being the centre of repetitive arguments to being banned to sneaking back on here under the radar and then trying to avoid the same traps I fell into on my previous incarnation

and with that - I have made my point you can accept it or not.

LOL @ Muppetwrangler

24 pages, wow!!! Only read the first half dozen posts. Any clarification on whether or not it is or isn't racist?

anyone with a ounce of sense knows it is not racist.
it is just not very pc.

Answered definitivly by the OED on page 11.

anyone with a ounce of sense knows it is not racist.
it is just not very pc.

Where were you on page one when we needed you? 😀

ton - Member

racist, no. imho
not very PC. yes.

Posted 2 days ago #

from page one

😆

Pretty sure the OED defined it as a racist term ton. Maybe they're just lacking sense though eh?

How do you explain something as being "not very PC", unless it's because it's a racial slur?
At what point along the racial slur scale does something pass from being "not very PC" to being "racist"?

It all depends on context and intent. Few if any words are racist on their own. Its the intent and the context that makes them so

Here we go again 🙄

Another 24 pages ?

[I]tjagain - Member
I am trying to give you the perspective I gained from being the centre of repetitive arguments to being banned to sneaking back on here under the radar and then trying to avoid the same traps I fell into on my previous incarnation[/I]

Are you telling me you are "The" TandemJeremy of Yore?

[I]nealglover - Member
Here we go again
Another 24 pages ? [/I]

Likely not, imo. I suspect Cougar or Drac may arrive soon and propose the thread has run it's "natural" course and that perhaps we'd all consider abandoning this thread now so that it may RiP....

Until the next time 😉

At what point along the racial slur scale does something pass from being "not very PC" to being "racist"?

Perfectly put. It's on the scale. Views differ as to precisely where, apparently...

anyone want a chinky for tea= not racist
oy, you chinky ****er= racist

simple.

"anyone want a chinky for tea= not racist
oy, you chinky ****= racist
simple."

On page 10 I would have agreed.

However the OED is definitive AFAIC. If it's not, what is?

anyone want a chinky for tea= not racist

Could be a racist cannibal.

[quote="Solo"] - Member

Are you telling me you are "The" TandemJeremy of Yore?

shush. I'm in deep cover Don't blow it for me 😉

[I]tjagain - Member
shush. I'm in deep cover Don't blow it for me[/I]

Not exactly an unambiguous reply. I only ask as if that is the case, it would seem there's been some sort of bannee amnesty recently??

anyone want a chinky for tea= not racist
oy, you chinky ****= racist

simple.

Ton, maybe it would have been better to actually read the thread (rather than moaning about how boring it was previously)

That way you would know that your exact point has been repeatedly made, and argued for against to infinity and beyond.

What really is boring, is hearing it again after 25 pages.

Solo - yes its me. I am here under tolerance. I don't think there was any amnesty. I came back with a new name that reflects my old one and surprisingly was allowed to stay but I am very aware that the mods tolerance to me will rightly be very limited

Ton, maybe it would have been better to actually read the thread (rather than moaning about how boring it was previously)

That way you would know that your exact point has been repeatedly made, and argued for against to infinity and beyond.

What really is boring, is hearing it again after 25 pages.

I know that, and have read it.
I just wanted to pass a bit more time constantly repeating myself, like everyone else has done for the last 25 pages.

@TJ.

Ok, well, you would appear not to be the only former offender to have been granted leave to return.

Make the most of it, in a positive way.
😉

[I]ton - Member
like everyone else[/I]

I'm offended at that remark!!!

You clearly appear not to know or to care that by lumping me in with "everyone" you're ignoring my inner Snowflake!

1) Previously, you said you were not very intelligent (or words to that effect)

Where? I don't recall doing so, hence my confusion.

First post here

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/unplanned-pregnancy

EDITED:

C.B.A!

That's a very low blow and from an entirely different thread that has little to no bearing on this one.

That's a very low blow and from an entirely different thread that has little to no bearing on this one.

I'm not sure how the thread changes your perception of your own intelligence. I was only rephrasing your own evaluation, i was surprised you objected to it.

The post on the other thread was pretty much related to my intelligence regarding academic qualifications. This thread pertains to my ability to be able to debate whether or not a word in and of itself can be offensive. My intellectual ability to take part in a forum debate has little to do with my job or educational record. At least that's my opinion. Going digging in to my posting history to score some sort of perceived point is one of the saddest things I've encountered on here.

Likely not, imo. I suspect Cougar or Drac may arrive soon and propose the thread has run it's "natural" course and that perhaps we'd all consider abandoning this thread now so that it may RiP....

Perhaps. But one of the happy side-effects of threads like this is it keeps those who most love to hear the sound of their own, er, fingers occupied in one place rather than polluting the rest of the forum.

it would seem there's been some sort of bannee amnesty recently??

Not officially, nothing's changed. The thing with the perma-banned is, generally they never change. A new user pops up exhibiting the same behaviour that got them banned in the first place, they're pretty easy to spot and get banned again for the same reasons (though of course, we always welcome tip-offs if you suspect someone 🙂 ).

Very occasionally, some characters do reform. Even Shibboleth seems to be behaving himself for the moment. Whether they get to stay really depends on the nature of their past transgressions, some characters are pathological cockwombles and will never return.

Going digging in to my posting history to score some sort of perceived point is one of the saddest things I've encountered on here.

Are you sure about that? It's a pretty high bar. (-:

I suspect Cougar or Drac may arrive soon

Oh yeah, point of order: a bit like oranges, we are not the only moderators, just ones foolish enough to admit it.

Going digging in to my posting history to score some sort of perceived point is one of the saddest things I've encountered on here.

What if i was a White Hispanic Rapper?

Then you could probably get away with using the N word whist rapping 😐

Are you sure about that? It's a pretty high bar. (-:

Lol that's very true Cougar. I'm off to the bike forum for some sanity.

[you'll have to improvise your own beatboxing]

We all been discussin’ acceptability
Been some seriousness and some frivolity
The suddenly some people take offence
Not at words, but their sentiments
All humour seems to evaporate
Folks could apologise but it’s too late
It’s what happens when you throw around words of hate
Funkmasterp steps up with his two cents
Demonstrates his moderate intelligence
Sh*t gettin’ personal now
Discussion ain’t so high brow
Soon mods gonna go to town
And this thread gonna get locked down

*Boom*

[quote=Cougar ]But one of the happy side-effects of threads like this is it keeps those who most love to hear the sound of their own, er, fingers occupied in one place rather than polluting the rest of the forum.

Even I've given up on this thread now though. Oh, hang on...

😆 that's made me laugh CM. A bit of humour in a thread that had lost all sense 🙂

Good, can we be friends again?

Were we ever not? I reckon we'd actually get on pretty well in person. Both despise racism, just have different takes on how to deal with it. I think this could be a good time to lock this thing down and get back to talking about tyres.

Thanks Cougar.

[you'll have to improvise your own beatboxing]

Oh, that's very good.

I reckon we'd actually get on pretty well in person.

Depends on attitude, doesn't it. If you're debating with someone who's frothing away at the keyboard then they're just going to get angrier and angrier. With folk like CM it's more like intellectual jousting than arguing. I think I'd get on well with them "IRL" too.

The problem is, in written text it can often be very difficult to tell the difference.

CM and me throughout this sorry excuse for a thread 😀

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.............. I think this could be a good time to lock this thing down and get back to talking about tyres.

Whitewall or all black ones?

CM and me throughout this sorry excuse for a thread

I suppose that makes me the dragon that appears when you fanny about for too long... (-:

😆 at Cougar. I'm saying nothing

Whitewall or all black ones?

Tan side walls 🙂