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to adjust the physical appearance of a document for someone when you don't know for what purpose they have requested that you do the deed? designer friend has been asked to photoshop something for someone in their office - they think its fine, as they're not benefiting, i think its significantly dodgy.


 
Posted : 02/12/2009 12:33 pm
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not specifically unless the document is something like a passport - It could be illigal depends on what the document will be used for in it's changed state.

you need to give us some more details


 
Posted : 02/12/2009 12:35 pm
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The whole of Brighton University Graphic Arts Dept used to photoshop Brighton weekly bus tickets so they could be used again & again. Is that the sort of thing?


 
Posted : 02/12/2009 12:38 pm
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it's to show a different previous address - so I'm guessing for something relating to background checks?


 
Posted : 02/12/2009 12:39 pm
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If you're blatantly helping someone commit fraud, surely that must be against some law?


 
Posted : 02/12/2009 12:42 pm
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sounds a bit dodgy to me - i'd step away.


 
Posted : 02/12/2009 12:43 pm
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I've digitally altered a payslip before. Payslip had work address on it, i needed proof of home address for rental car company but no chance to go home and get anything else


 
Posted : 02/12/2009 12:46 pm
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if you have to ask..... It probably is.

Sounds a bit dodgy but could have a perfectly reasonable explanation..


 
Posted : 02/12/2009 12:47 pm
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well i thought it was dodgy, they don't, it's their call. i suppose it could be hard to prove they did anything


 
Posted : 02/12/2009 12:49 pm
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The whole of Brighton University Graphic Arts Dept used to photoshop Brighton weekly bus tickets so they could be used again & again. Is that the sort of thing?

Someone was caught doing this on the same train line I commute on and taken to court. He's got to pay back soemthing daft like 12K - apparently he was doing it for years...


 
Posted : 02/12/2009 12:51 pm
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Off my patch, but it sounds like you would be an accessory to fraud.

That probably doesn't matter, because they're probably doing something fairly pathetic and small-time, but it's possible to imagine situations in which it could be pretty bad. ๐Ÿ™‚


 
Posted : 02/12/2009 12:56 pm
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In work I'm often asked to digitise things, like old school slides or books etc, to cover my back I get written permission off the person asking me to do it then their liable not myself... well so I'm lead to believe...

(Having said that I'm covered under an Education license or something to do such a thing)


 
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I'm currently looking into shutting down a company that manufactures false receipts enabling shop lifters to get cash back on stolen items.

The law is a grey area on this sort of reproduction, there's a diference between what you feel is dodgy and what is illeagal and that difference is your sense of personal morality.

choice is yours...

If a task/job is done with the participant knowingly feeling/beleiving it to be a bit off and the job turns out to be connected to something major, that particpant could be facing a big telling off from a man in a wig.

If he is conned into doing it in good faith under false pretences than he is slightly better off.


 
Posted : 02/12/2009 12:58 pm
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This on first sight appears to be fraud or aid and abet fraud or conspiracy to defraud. That is a crime . practical matt is right and if anything paints a too rosy picture .Tell your friend to Run away now!


 
Posted : 02/12/2009 1:21 pm
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just say no!


 
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When I was a student I drew someone a tax disk with coloured pencils, for a fiat 500 they'd bought with their giro. Is that the same thing? I have to say I was very pleased with it, never considered myself that hot at colouring in.


 
Posted : 02/12/2009 1:39 pm
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I think iDave must be working for that call centre in Bangalore where all the workers have had their birth certificates changed to "Nigel Morris" or "Margaret Porter".


 
Posted : 02/12/2009 1:54 pm
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ignorance is no defence or somesuch.


 
Posted : 02/12/2009 2:17 pm
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ignorance is no defence or somesuch.

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Send Her Down!


 
Posted : 02/12/2009 2:21 pm
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7 Making or supplying articles for use in frauds
(1) A person is guilty of an offence if he makes, adapts, supplies or offers to supply
any articleโ€”
(a) knowing that it is designed or adapted for use in the course of or in
connection with fraud, or
(b) intending it to be used to commit, or assist in the commission of, fraud.
(2) A person guilty of an offence under this section is liableโ€”
(a) on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 12
months or to a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum (or to both);
(b) on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding
10 years or to a fine (or to both).

Section 7 of the Fraud Act 2006

It's hard to say iDave without knowing the details, maybe just read the first couple of pages of this then decide

[url= http://www.opsi.gov.uk/Acts/acts2006/pdf/ukpga_20060035_en.pdf ]Fraud Act 2006[/url]


 
Posted : 02/12/2009 2:23 pm
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"I've digitally altered a payslip before. Payslip had work address on it, i needed proof of home address for rental car company but no chance to go home and get anything else"

So you went against their T&C's of their hire agreement, not sure if that is fraud or not though, but I would assume it would be as you used it to purchase goods or services. I doubt your company would be too chuffed with that either.

Shall we grass you up?


 
Posted : 02/12/2009 2:45 pm
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Not in itself illegal (unless the original doc. is protected under copyright. Then you could be sued for breech)

If the change in doc. is intended for the purpouses of fraud/deception then this is a crime and you could be prosecuted as highlighted above.

Ask why the person wants the change in doc. then assertain from there whether their intentions are fair or foul?


 
Posted : 02/12/2009 3:08 pm
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Are they paying you much? That will of course affect the decision making.


 
Posted : 02/12/2009 3:23 pm