Woah… sorry to hear that BWD, we’re all hoping that the effects are medium term, rather than long term, for you. Crossing everything.
Cheers Kelvin. I'm mending slowly thanks and there are a lot of people out there in a far worse state than me. And I have a shiny new FlareMAX frame waiting to be built up, so I have a proper incentive to get better.
It's an incredibly random illness - my partner developed two days worth of 'covid toe' around five months after a really mild initial infection. Another mate of mine had three or four flu-like days and then felt mostly okay for a month before being wiped out with crushing fatigue, chest pains and weird HR spikes. Weird stuff.
I sincerely doubt most people have stuck to the letter of the regulations 100% of the time, I know I haven't. But that's no reason to just give up.
Whilst I believe the government's conflicting and contradictory advice has been part of the disaster, I'm not sure I'm comfortable using that as any sort of justification for people who can't be bothered trying to adhere to the basics of masks, handwashing and social distancing.
Personal responsibility is just that, we shouldn't be letting the government's rubbish approach distract from that element of the solution. Obviously, if they'd shown more personal responsibility themselves it would have helped.
I doubt anyone has stuck to them 100%, especially now then are changing for smaller and smaller geographic areas at what seems like arbitrary times. It is hard to stay up to date, and that's due to faulty planning and communication from those setting the guidance and regulations. "Getting it wrong" will happen all the time, and people shouldn't blame themselves or each other for slipping... everyone will be. Not bothering to follow the more general advice because you feel it won't effect you personally if you don't is an, er, "interesting" personality trait though.
HOW we engage to change behaviours is the question, not whether we need to.
Jeez, some people on here are so thick.
So that is a 'yes' to indulging stupidity, then?
Shall we just preface every bit of advice with 'we know you are special' and end with 'pretty please'?
Not bothering to follow the more general advice because you feel it won’t effect you personally if you don’t is an, er, “interesting” personality trait though.
So what is more selfish, getting on a plane to go on holiday (what I'd say is a high risk activity even with masks but is allowed) or meeting up with four family households for a picnic which I beleive isn't allowed but is pretty low risk 🤔
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personally i think its in the “vanishingly small risk” and would probably only change that view if i really felt that the driver, packer, postie etc ‘likely’ had it
Whether they have it or not is mostly irrelevant.
My postie is a biochemist (when he''s not posting he is developing new DNA test and process) he's wearing double gloves and a FFP2 mask... and he disinfects gloves with reagent grade IPA or ethanol before taking them off.
His chance of catching the virus in work outside the PO collection is miniscule... his chance of handling it on his gloves is a near certainty.
So what is more selfish, getting on a plane to go on holiday (what I’d say is a high risk activity even with masks but is allowed) or meeting up with four family households for a picnic which I beleive isn’t allowed but is pretty low risk
Feel free to go beyond the guidelines and not get on a plane, and cancel your holiday abroad, we did. Do or don't as regards that moving target... would still be wise to follow the guidelines in place here for day to day stuff like meeting up in gardens etc.
Kelvin - not exactly answering my question but hey ho.
So what is more selfish, getting on a plane to go on holiday (what I’d say is a high risk activity even with masks but is allowed) or meeting up with four family households for a picnic which I beleive isn’t allowed but is pretty low risk
I would say the plane holiday is worse, personally and I wouldn't to it for all sorts of reasons. Doesn't mean I'm just going to disregard all the other rules though. As kelvin says the one isn't really relevant to the other, just judge each situation on it's merits.
Personally I wouldn't be massively concerned about the four family households picnic as I think outdoors the risks are pretty low, but I wouldn't be planning on sharing food/drinks etc and would try to keep socially distanced.
Trouble is though, doing the above occasionally is probably ok but if everyone was doing it all the time, infections would inevitably start to rise.
I’m old enough to have seen this “infringing on my human rights / being told what to do / I’ll make my own choices” argument before. It was when seatbelts became mandatory. How many people complain about that now? Change is bad we fear change the sky is falling.
If the government has said we all need to wear seatbelts BUT it is now illegal to have brakes and any car with brakes has a automatic MOT failure then that's a closer analogy.
1st day of secondary school today.. and the chance of Jnr being sick or dying is minicule but he is explicitly NOT allowed to wear a mask in class...and must remove a mask outside of class if a teacher asks.
What when he and another 1200 kids are all carrying the virus round the community?
Yep he's 11 and got a 4 point seatbelt, helmet and neck brace .. air bags and crumple zone so if the inevitable crash is low speed as he mounts the pavement and mows down the pedestrians before coming to a stop he'll walk away and simply have to come to terms with living with killing those people as a cost of following the guidelines.
For the record, we've had one family picnic to celebrate my sons 30th at the beginning of August and one mid August to permit family to meet up with my sil for the last time. My comparison with flying was just to try to demonstrate that breaking or bending the rules doesn't necessarily require tarnishing posters with the selfish dick label. Some of us can behave like adults and make our own risk assessments, the other day I forgot to wear a mask going into a petrol station - the chance of passing on or contracting cv19 in that one instance would be minute & doesn't necessitate leaving without paying and returning later with a mask.
I’m old enough to have seen this “infringing on my human rights / being told what to do / I’ll make my own choices” argument before. It was when seatbelts became mandatory. How many people complain about that now? Change is bad we fear change the sky is falling.
If the government has said we all need to wear seatbelts BUT it is now illegal to have brakes and any car with brakes has a automatic MOT failure then that’s a closer analogy.
Actually I'd say speeding and speed limits was a better analogy. Mask wearing is to protect others just like speed limits. Seat belts protect the user (and arguably make it more dangerous for others). Any new speed limits (eg 20mph in towns) and you still get a right fuss and it is a law that is widely and frequently ignored.
Hehe was calling people thick there deliberately ironic or just amusingly hypocritical?
I'm trying out the hypothesis that insulting people as you try to change their minds makes it more likely to happen.
It's only a jokey insult obviously. Right up to the point where being repeatedly called stupid or a dick ceases to be jokey, and turns them against you irrespective of the validity of the message.
Dickyboy despite your username ( 😛 ) I wouldn't call you a dick for that. It's the people who aren't even trying that I despair of.
Actually I’d say speeding and speed limits was a better analogy. Mask wearing is to protect others just like speed limits.
Whichever the point is my 11yr old is incredibly unlikely to die but would very much prefer his gran and other vulnerable people don't but he is being actively forced to be a carrier.
He's fully aware he's unlikely to be symptomatic and having spent 3 weeks with his gran he fully understands the precautions are not for him but people like his gran.
It's not even that he doesn't NEED to wear a mask... he is being prevented from wearing one in class.