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Are there any good free music down load sites site out there please?
Why don't you want to pay for music?
you can have one of our songs for free - "Is There Anybody Left".
Go to http://www.reverbnation.com/chasingglass and set it going on the player, then hover the mouse over the player.
john drummer, do you have a sound cloud / mix cloud?
not sure. I did for my last band, but not sure about Chasing Glass. hang on...
nope, i didn't think so
Why don't you want to pay for music?
Could it be because the OP agrees with musical artists like Robbie Williams who think that the artists have enough money and it's the music companies that are screwing the public, could it be this?
Three_Fish - Member
Why don't you want to pay for music?
If he can get free music legitimately, then why not? I have loads of ebooks that I got for free, most on the Kindle app. I get regular updates showing the latest free books. Why shouldn't I take advantage of it?
who think that the artists have enough money and it's the music companies that are screwing the public
maybe, for the handful of artists like Robbie Williams. But for every Robbie Williams, there are thousands of artists in every country - possibly even in every town - who have never made a penny out of music. Some of them deservedly so 😉
Personally, I'm of the opinion that if someone is willing to pay for my music, that's great. If not, well they can have one or two for free - like a supermarket "loss leader". For me, it's a bonus, I have a career in the real world.
I would love to make a decent living from music, but I'm old enough & ugly enough to know that it's not going to happen
But for every Robbie Williams, there are thousands of artists in every country - possibly even in every town - who have never made a penny out of music. Some of them deservedly so
I won't shed a tear if I never have to listen to having crap dressed up as being the latest and greatest thing.
A few will be the Robbies and quite a few will be able to make a living.
I don't see anything wrong with that.
Your level of disagreement will depend on how honestly you can desribe yourself... 😛
I would love to make a decent living from music, but I'm old enough & ugly enough to know that it's not going to happen
No reason why not, if you're prepared to work and have the talent and can offer a product at a price people are prepared to pay. Supply and demand, innit?
How many more units would the record companies sell if they dropped the price? And how would that affect their overall profit? 😀
Could it be because the OP agrees with musical artists like Robbie Williams who think that the artists have enough money and it's the music companies that are screwing the public, could it be this?
Possibly. Possibly not. I don't know; that's why I'm asking the question.
I won't shed a tear if I never have to listen to having crap dressed up as being the latest and greatest thing.
I couldn't agree more. Beady Eye, are you listening? 😉
don simon - Member
Could it be because the OP agrees with musical artists like Robbie Williams who think that the artists have enough money and it's the music companies that are screwing the public, could it be this?
back this statement up with an example of how the music companies are screwing the public??
Infact, elaborate & explain how music companies are screwing the public & Robbie Williams isn't??
Lets be honest, its a feeble attempt to justify steeling music, just admit it, your a petty thief, thats the top & bottom of it...
back this statement up with an example of how the music companies are screwing the public??
Could I refer you to [url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/internet-music-experts#post-3208794 ]this[/url] for starters?
Lets be honest, its a feeble attempt to justify steeling music, just admit it, your a petty thief, thats the top & bottom of it...
You assume I'm a thief, I can see you're an idiot. 🙄
DS you appear to have linked back to this very thread - are you sure?
don simon - Member
You assume I'm a thief, I can see you're an idiot
You have openly admitted downloaded music for free from illegal sites previously, suddenly all shy about it when your confronted for being a thief?
what makes me an idiot? your the one who messed up a link after all? 🙄
100% sure, if the record companies didn't charge so much, I guess the OP wouldn't be looking for free downloads. 😉
You have openly admitted downloaded music for free from illegal sites previously, suddenly all shy about it when your confronted for being a thief?
Where?
charge so much? £0.59 / £0.79p / £0.99p for a single? presume you think it should be £0.10p 🙄
lets cut to the chase, you don't actually know anything about the music industry do you?
lets cut to the chase, you don't actually know anything about the music industry do you?
I know enough. And I also know huge amounts about the customer industry.
Tell me as you feel the need to protect you job, and I get the feeling you're not a musician, what value does the music industry add to the whole art?
TBH the DIY route is so easy these days, the only reason you need a record company is to do the marketing for you.
I've been in bands on & off for 30 years now - it's a damn site easier to get your music onto a "record" now than it was when I started. No, the hard work now is with the "selling" of the record, and for that, the major labels still have a place. IMVHO
don simon - Member
Supply and demand, innit?
like supply a record to millions of people to enjoy & receive payment, what a crazy notion
don simon - Member
How many more units would the record companies sell if they dropped the price? And how would that affect their overall profit
Any evidence to suggest this?
the only reason you need a record company is to do the marketing for you.
And probably you don't even need them for that if you're good enough. If you're savvy enough with the internet you'll get listened too and we, the listeners, will get better quality music which more people, I guess, will be prepared to pay for. A win/win situation I think.
Any evidence to suggest this?
Supply and demand? Ah but you've already read that, haven't you?
john_drummer - Member
TBH the DIY route is so easy these days, the only reason you need a record company is to do the marketing for you.
putting a record on sale is one thing, it selling is very different
What's the "customer industry"?
I was thinking the other day, when I was 13 or so (30 years ago) albums were maybe £6? They're what £8 these days? What's inflation over that time?
I'll answer that one don. In plenty of instances the record companies are a leech, feeding off peoples ability. But I can think of plenty of record labels who are a bastion of quality. People like warp, mute, domino etc. etc These people have nurtured the careers of hundreds of great bands and brought them to a much wider audience. That definitely has value in my eyes.
don simon - Member
And probably you don't even need them for that if you're good enough. If you're savvy enough with the internet you'll get listened too and we, the listeners, will get better quality music which more people, I guess, will be prepared to pay for. A win/win situation I think.
your funny, you clearly don't know enough
RichPenny - Member
I'll answer that one don. In plenty of instances the record companies are a leech, feeding off peoples ability.
Rich mate, your going to have to elaborate with some examples here...
and you have a big enough budget and some friends who know the right people...And probably you don't even need them for that if you're good enough.
putting a record on sale is one thing, it selling is very different
indeed it is. I give you my previous band, The Wick Effect,for example.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Go/dp/B003XD35OY/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&qid=1322259621&sr=8-12 and http://www.amazon.co.uk/Numb/dp/B0035YL07K/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&qid=1322259621&sr=8-16
Making the records for sale/download was relatively easy & painless; between the 6 songs we spent less than £1000 on studio time at some pretty top notch studios. But with no marketing budget, nobody knows they're available
I'm interested in this as well. Last time I downloaded anything I used WinMX. I'm not sure if it is still up and running. Is there still a good peer2peer music download network? I'm not sure if the single song approach still works, as usually torrent sites cover whole albums. A shame, as sometimes you just want one song.
Any recommendations on peer2peer sites with the depth of Napster/WinMX at their peak would be useful.
don simon - Member
Supply and demand? Ah but you've already read that, haven't you?
if i was to tell you over the last 24 months singles have in general gone up in price & so have sales, what would you then tell me...
your funny, you clearly don't know enough
Is that it? Insults and hot air? You can't defend the postion with a clear example of adding value.
But I can think of plenty of record labels who are a bastion of quality. People like warp, mute, domino etc. etc These people have nurtured the careers of hundreds of great bands and brought them to a much wider audience. That definitely has value in my eyes.
I'd tend to agree with that.
if i was to tell you over the last 24 months singles have in general gone up in price & so have sales, what would you then tell me...
It would tell me that Bit Torrent sites have had their marketing budgets capped, that the record companies are using their immense wealth and legal servants to close down the free market and bleed the public dry. As I said it's the record companies screwing folks and not the artists, it's the record companies that are demanding the anti theft software and therefore pushing the prices up. Supply and demand would tell me that as demand increases you should be able to decrease the prices, except if you're greedy f*****s milñking the public. And your reaction here tells me it's the record companies who have the attitude problem as the musician here seems quite cool you on the other hand... 😆
Don, would you rather see fledgeling musicians spend their time on marketing or on their music ?
john_drummer - Member
Making the records for sale/download was relatively easy & painless; between the 6 songs we spent less than £1000 on studio time at some pretty top notch studios. But with no marketing budget, nobody knows they're available
And here is where you all fall down, you do not need a magic pot of cash to have a successful record, although i understand your situation
Buy from Hospital. Excellent value for top stuff. Don't tell me you can't afford £5 for about 30 tracks...
or, god forbid, auditioning for X-Factor 😯
And here is where you all fall down, you do not need a magic pot of cash to have a successful record
no you need talent, a good song, possibly most important of all, a market for that song, and also some cash to pay to advertise it.
Face it, it could be Bohemian Rhapsody*, but if you don't spend any money on advertising, or god forbid, any time & effort slogging up & down the motorways in the back of a knackered old transit, playing it night after night after night to three men and a dog, nobody's going to know about it, are they?
* other examples are available
don simon - Member
You can't defend the postion with a clear example of adding value.
It wasn't an insult, it was an observation from your nonsense comments, your making it up as you go along based on your opinion, not the facts of the industry, see above about price increase & sale increase as a prime example.
an example of adding value, are you for real, look at all the Major artists, all on record labels, says it all, you really don't know anything, but lets pretend you do & that justifies you being a petty thief...
Don, would you rather see fledgeling musicians spend their time on marketing or on their music ?
Not necessarily, but treat it like any other business, so why not? If the record company is simply a marketing tool, then they fall into the same category as the shopping channels or those crappy catalogues (not all of them, just the pushers of crap), who have no place in the marketing world. There is nothing wrong in a band making enough money to pay for the services of a marketing company, but now there are too many people looking to make money which pusher the price up. Restrict the supply and you've got opportunity to abuse the customer.
that justifies you being a petty thief...
There you go again.
Have you read what I've posted.
Control supply.
And you can then fix the price even if demand goes up. You know, just like the petrol companies? Another value adding company.
There's only one thief here, and that's why I get my music from where I get my music. 😉
john_drummer - Member
no you need talent, a good song, possibly most important of all, a market for that song, and also some cash to pay to advertise it.Face it, it could be Bohemian Rhapsody*, but if you don't spend any money on advertising, or god forbid, any time & effort slogging up & down the motorways in the back of a knackered old transit, playing it night after night after night, nobody's going to know about it, are they?
ofcourse, one thing you missed out, radio plays, thats what really sells records to the mainstream
Im new but I feel like putting my oar in,
You dont need to download illegally. Ever heard of Spotify? £5 a month for unlimited music. Bargain!
timc is Feargal Sharkey and I claim my lifetime supply of free music.
I was including the radio plays in the "advertising and marketing" budget 😉
ofcourse, one thing you missed out, radio plays, thats what really sells records to the mainstream
Or youtube, myspace, facebook that will reach more people for less money much quicker.
You dont need to download illegally. Ever heard of Spotify? £5 a month for unlimited music. Bargain!
This is another option and the music selling model is changing, but sshhh! don't tell our resident music mogul he hasn't worked it out yet. 😛
Well don, your average band might all have jobs, so limited time is available. I'd like to see that time spent writing, recording and gigging rather than marketing and learning how the music industry works! I love the labels I mentioned and many more because I can trust that their music will be interesting.
it's all well & good having your music on youtube, myspace, facebook, reverbnation, soundcloud and all the rest.
For example:
http://www.myspace.com/chasingglass
http://www.reverbnation.com/chasingglass br />
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b70ZEqJEcSo&feature=feedu
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Chasing-Glass/144425452306384
But if you don't tell anyone it's there, the chances of it getting found are probably on the same scale as SETI getting a result or American Samoa winning a football match... er ...
Well don, your average band might all have jobs, so limited time is available. I'd like to see that time spent writing, recording and gigging rather than marketing and learning how the music industry works! I love the labels I mentioned and many more because I can trust that their music will be interesting.
I am actually agreeing with you RichPenny, if a band is good they have a choice to make market the music themselves, pay someone to market it, jack it in or simply do it for the love of it. I disagree with the larger companies that spew out crap, kill off competition and then call anyone with a different pov a thief without anything to support it, not very customer oriented, are they?
don simon - Member
It would tell me that Bit Torrent sites have had their marketing budgets capped, that the record companies are using their immense wealth and legal servants to close down the free market and bleed the public dry. As I said it's the record companies screwing folks and not the artists, it's the record companies that are demanding the [b]anti theft [/b]software and therefore pushing the prices up. Supply and demand would tell me that as demand increases you should be able to decrease the prices, except if you're greedy f*****s milñking the public. And your reaction here tells me it's the record companies who have the attitude problem as the musician here seems quite cool you on the other hand.
so a world of presumption now, back what your saying up will you?? marketing budgets capped? give it a rest
screwing the public, again explain, how is selling something someone wants screwing someone? especially at less than £1?
I haven't seen the comment of any (with respect) professional musicians here, I know the societies that represent Musicians don't agree with what your saying, but hey never mind 🙄
don simon - Member
Or youtube, myspace, facebook that will reach more people for less money much quicker.
you need radio to sell proper units, the above come nowhere near in comparison, few example where radio isn't needed, maybe X Factor for example...
X Factor doesn't count, it's a karaoke show
don simon - Member
This is another option and the music selling model is changing, but sshhh! don't tell our resident music mogul he hasn't worked it out yet
you will find spotify will change in the coming years, you will also find that spottily needs the label permission to have their material, your lack of knowledge on this topic is becoming annoying
Spotify pays the square root of **** all to the record company, meaning the artist gets the cube root of **** all 🙂 Maybe Facebook et al could be the future of music marketing, but I doubt it. I own a hell of a lot of music but only a tiny fraction is by unsigned artists. I hope that the cash I spend on music helps the artists create better music and the label to find better music.
cynic-al - Member
What's the "customer industry"?I was thinking the other day, when I was 13 or so (30 years ago) albums were maybe £6? They're what £8 these days? What's inflation over that time?
£6 in 1981 = £17.93 in 2010
don simon - Member
I disagree with the larger companies that spew out crap, kill off competition and then call anyone with a different pov a thief without anything to support it, not very customer oriented, are they?
Spew out crap, open to debate really
lets get one thing straight, nobody is calling anyone a thief for having a different point of view
I am calling you a petty thief for downloading music without paying for it.
screwing the public, again explain, how is selling something someone wants screwing someone? especially at less than £1?
I'd say it's unfair when there's no free competition.
I understand you've got your job to protect and I've got the freedom to source my music from wherever I want. You have accused me of being a thief withouit any back up, I'm still waiting and I'll be waiting a hell of a long time.
I agree taking music without paying is theft, I don't have to cut and paste to prove anything as your reaction has satisfied that I might have hit a nerve.
Saludos.
I am calling you a thief for downloading music without paying for it.
That's a strong accusation without any proof. Show me the proof and I'll accept.
you will find spotify will change in the coming years, you will also find that spottily needs the label permission to have their material, your lack of knowledge on this topic is becoming annoying
Is this opening up the market or killing of the competition unfairly?
How many more albums would you sell if the price was dropped to a fiver?
Would a fiver still give the artists a fair cut?
Do i really need to trawl looking for a thread i never posted in, can't remember the title of to find a comment where you said you don't pay for music, you download for free, even if I'm mistaken, you have implied here that you do, so not really sure what your point is? you now claiming you don't nick music?
no nerve really hit, just couldn't stomach the nonsense you were spouting, you think you know a lot, but you clearly know very little about the music industry & everything that comes with it...
Sorry again for junping in.
It doesnt matter what medium is used to get the music out there, but record companies will always be needed.
You can have a modest success from doing your own thing, but whenever it comes to making it big, and making serious money, you need the big boys help to market it worldwide. Not only marketing, but also the ability to distribute the material and get airplay in all corners of the globe. This isnt something you can do yourself.
With the arrival of services like Spotify the way we consume? music is changing but everything needed to make a band a success isn't. There will be less money from sales/streams for artists as the price will have to decrease, and artists will probably have to make their cash from touring.
Not such a bad thing IMHO.
you now claiming you don't nick music?
If there is no evidence to say otherwise the answer has to be a "yes", doesn't it.
don simon - Member
Is this opening up the market or killing of the competition unfairly?
how could it be killing off the competition unfairly?
if you don't pay & don't nick it, how do you acquire it the, we all know the answer, your just being boring now
It doesnt matter what medium is used to get the music out there, but record companies will always be needed.
Of course they'll be needed, I haven't said otherwise, they just need to give a good product at a fair price and not try to rip the customers off.
Have a read of this. I reckon from research Ive done in the past about this that it is a fair representation of where the money goes.
http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2010/how-much-do-music-artists-earn-online/
I would imagine that if Spotify needs the record label's permission and spotify becomes too popular the record companies might just want to get a bigger slice.
if you don't pay & don't nick it, how do you acquire it the, we all know the answer, your just being boring now
Again you are the one not making sense, where are you getting you info? Where have I said I don't pay? You imagine that I download illegally and have the nerve to call me a thief, and now... Ja ja!
Boring? 😆 Bless you, you had a go.
your fooling no one DS... after your attempt to convince people you know something, anything about the music industry, i guess in most circumstance, people might have believed you hey 8)
bobbyg81 - Member
Have a read of this. I reckon from research Ive done in the past about this that it is a fair representation of where the money goes.http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2010/how-much-do-music-artists-earn-online/
this doesn't really tell a true storey, after all its revenue, not profit, that makes a massive massive difference. the main reason being the way deals are structured
That's a strong accusation without any proof. Show me the proof and I'll accept.
don simon - Member
If the technology exists to download/rip it, the artists should protect their work to prevent it from being downloaded/ripped. I'm not too sure it's the artists that have a problem with the download/ripping problem but the record companies and distributor who have missed an opportunity and are now bleating.
[b]I have downloaded[/b] and I've had my work downloaded. That's life!
don simon - Member
Are we talking in general or about me? You appeared to have asked a general question and now have singled it down to me.
[b]I download.[/b]
Is it wrong legally? Yes, the law says so.
Morally? [b]I download.[/b]
Do people download from my site? Yes.
What do I do? I make it a less attractive option.
What happened? Sales went up. Go figure.
Now the general answer and the relevance of the fiver, if there are less barriers to prevent the theft, people are more likely to take.
Why did the banks and post offices chain the pens to the counters?
I know its not the last word in the way the music industry works, but I still think it would give Donny S a better idea about the figures than he has at present.
You've called me a thief and can't prove it.
You seem to think I don't pay, again something in your imagination.
And you expect anything else you say has credibility?
You haven't introduced any piece of evidence to say there's no rip off, facts or figures.
You sell to a market that probably doesn't earn the money they spend using high pressure techniques which would allow the rather unusual price up sales up.
That of course would work if you can, if you can, I probably can't say fix, without being accused of something else, can I?
You haven't told me of the value that is supposedly added.
I would love to see if Spotify agree in the idea that you're helping the music industry flourish.
You've done nothing except accuse without providing anything yourself.
That's some serious spare time you've got on your hand sc-xc, hat's off it was so important to you. And you'll see that I've had my work ripped off by others, so been on both sides of the fence.
😆
It took about 2 minutes, and I don't care either way to be honest. I remembered the thread because it was the first time I noticed how bullish you appear to be.
you appear to be.
I am or I appear to be?
Bullish always or when it's suitable?
So it would appear it can be proved, you look like a royal nugget now, good night 8)
Appear to be. We've never met, and I imagine that in your professional life you've had to have a certain resilience. I just remembered the thread....
So it would appear it can be proved, you look like a royal nugget now, good night
Why would I?. 😉
You still haven't demonstrated that the record companies aren't ripping off joe public or that they add some kind of value or that the artists couldn't make a living without you, have you?
Appear to be. We've never met, and I imagine that in your professional life you've had to have a certain resilience. I just remembered the thread....
In real life I'm a even bigger tw4t. 😆