[Closed] Interesting read about Simon Cowell / X Factor

Impossible. You're a very cynical person, Joey. They're not called REALITY shows for nothing.

Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.

Copy and paste for those of us for whom it's blocked?

are you making wild grunts?

It's on the internet it must be true.

its an interesting article, dunno if its true or not. I don't doubt it isn't true, it describes exactly what I imagined would be going on, which is why I don't watch any of that "reality" bollocks or fall for any of it. In this particular piece though it's just words and no evidence. I would like to see some evidence, just so that the thickos who buy into all this crap will be convinced. They are not going to be convinced by an obscure article tucked away in nowheresville with no evidential back up.

Manufactured talent/ pop show manufactures contestants shocker

I got as far as
[i]It's long been known that there is a quite a degree of "fixing" in BGT[/i]

and lost interest.

Just read this myself, independently of here. Standing alone, there's very little to either corroborate or disprove any of it.

If it's true then it's shocking but not really surprising. If it's not true then it's just a particularly well-written Internet hoax; must be Thursday. Time will tell, no doubt.

Happy to say I've never watched any of "BGT" and I'm happy to keep it that way

I see no reason to doubt any of that, it's perfectly logical. To argue over it's truthfulness would miss the bigger issue and take the focus away from the production companies and their routine of manipulation under the disguise of reality TV.

After reading [url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2010/aug/11/castaway ]this[/url] article earlier today, and now the one above I'm glad I don't watch any 'reality' shows and think they are morally reprehensible.

The German version of BGT is ace though, when I was on holiday I saw a woman on das supertalent that crushed stuff with her boobies. They were big boobies though.

I'd respectfully suggest that if you don't watch talent shows but then still feel the need to read all about them on the Internet and pass comment, you're not as morally or culturally superior as you think you are.

Which is fine, y'know, it's nothing to be ashamed of, but let's be honest about things.

How Castaway made my life hell

[i]But I decided to carry on doing it anyway. [/i]

MuppetWrangler :-
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god for youtube[/url]

These so called 'popstars' of today don't know how easy they have it. In my day you had to wear platform boots and sing the best Christmas song ever.

I'd respectfully suggest that if you don't watch talent shows but then still feel the need to read all about them on the Internet and pass comment, you're not as morally or culturally superior as you think you are. Which is fine, y'know, it's nothing to be ashamed of, but let's call a spade a spade here.

Hang on, if you don't watch reality TV shows, think that they're morally appalling, and comment to this effect you're somehow part of the problem anyway?

What did I miss?

You're not as morally or culturally superior as you think you are

Nope, don't think I'm superior in either of those. Just glad I have never got into watching reality TV. And equally I have no [i]need[/i] to read about it, only today two articles have come up through looking at other sites.

I watch talent shows sometimes because they can be entertaining, but I have no illusions about how 'real' or ethical they are.

MuppetWrangler :-
Thank god for youtube

Amazing how the judges take it in turns to have a feel of her tits - you don't get THAT on UK X Factor.

Kaching! 😆

Pfft - bigboobie woman - she used her forearm to break the breeze blocks.

Phoney in more ways than one.

I'm never voting again. I've said this before and relented. But that's it. This is final!

5/6 on paddy power fill ya boots!

Could all be a cunning plan by someone laying on Betfair. 😉

Hang on, if you don't watch reality TV shows, think that they're morally appalling, and comment to this effect you're somehow part of the problem anyway?

What did I miss?

I didn't say they were 'part of the problem' (and what problem, anyway)?

I was suggesting that it's hypocritical to claim to be disinterested in something and then actively seek to pass comment on it. No-one's forcing you to read the thread. It'd be akin to me reading all the football threads and telling all the fans there that their game was stupid.

If you're not interested, why do you care? Come to that, if you don't watch it, how do you know it's "morally reprehensible"? How are you in a position to judge?

Cowell is not amused...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/simon-cowell-calls-in-police-over-claims-2292561.html

Isn't the thread title an oxymoron?

Well, no not really. While some of us are simply too clever 🙄 for this kind of thing, the issue of whether the whole thing is fixed is important. Surely you're not suggesting that anybody stupid enough to watch it and vote deserves to be hoodwinked like this?

If there is any foundation to the allegations of the "sexualisation" of Ronan Parke, then whether a crap talent show is involved, it merits the attention of those of us in our ivory towers.

deadlydarcy - Member

If there is any foundation to the allegations of the "sexualisation" of Ronan Parke, then whether a crap talent show is involved, it merits the attention of those of us in our ivory towers.

If you're not interested, why do you care? Come to that, if you don't watch it, how do you know it's "morally reprehensible"? How are you in a position to judge?

I'll call a spade a spade. I think they're shit, so I don't watch them. Any of them......Geordie Shore, My Big Fat Old Man's A Gypsy Dustbin, Celebrity X Brother On Ice, The Only Way Is Being A Chav....they're all unwatchable.

But how do I know they're not worth watching? Because I've seen the output (that [i]appalling version[/i] of Halleluiah comes to mind), I've seen the odd snippet here and there, and they make me cringe. I see the tragic participants being interviewed and make my decisions based on that.

And if there's anything worse than the cynical marketing and sexualisation of children, I'm not sure I want to know about it. But it certainly meets my definition of morally reprehensible.

Does this make me superior? I'd certainly like to think so, but in reality it makes me feel very sad that there's such utter bilge being devoured by a mentally dead public. We get what we deserve, there's no doubt of that.

I'm not sure I want to know about it.

I certainly want to know about it.

Does this make me superior? I'd certainly like to think so

Yes, I think we can see that much.

I certainly want to know about it.

What, you actively want to know about things which are [i]worse[/i] than the commercialisation and exploitation of children?

Whatever floats your boat, I guess.

You're sounding a bit patronising there but I'm sure you don't mean to be...being all superior than that. If indeed a twelve year old is being sexualised (allegedly), then yes, I'd like to know about it. If worse is happening, then, of course we should know about it. Why [i]wouldn't[/i] someone want to know?

I take it that everyone's read Ben Elton's 'Chart Throb'. Says it all in my opinion. 😆

Well if Ronan doesn't win BGT then it's all a hoax!

Whether the article is true or not all these crap music shows are just dumbing down music, and all we get is kids who want to be famous but end up churning out "elevator" music.
Much to my disgust my wife watches this crap, i rant and leave the room, but the only way we can stop it is not to buy into it or buy the crap records.
Perhaps Simon Cowell is part of Cameron's plans to dumb us all down so we can get fed chicken s### by the great and the good.
See you read it hear first, its all a conspiracy to soften your head.
When the revolution comes........

Yeah, it's not like the old days when labels had integrity...like Sun, Motown, Embassy Records...

Disgustingly, SYCO planned to sexualise him. They were well aware of course, that if they sexualised a young girl to look sexually older than she is, all hell would let loose.

Simon Cowell is a slick sophisticated money maker shocker!

Who would have thought it? And guess what? His tawdry little empire has managed to get us all talking up his business for him yet again. Same old same old, (to be fair multi layered and quite skillful) manipulation of the media by a media mogul.

Blimey whatever next?

"Interesting".

"Simon Cowell".

No, sorry, you lost me.

It is pretty interesting stuff and what everyone always assumed was going on. Friend of the missus was an 'invited contestant' on x factor. Similar story of come back next year after we have done some work. It is a bit shite for folks who wait for ages to be seen but then if they are good they get a spit and polish before coming back.... To a lifetime of spit and polish on mr cowells wee fella

FAIL!