Wading in too late but anyhow...
When my son was about a year old a neighbour's 9 month old lab puppy got loose. My wife was up the garden hanging up the washing. As a bad parent I had popped into the next room to do a job and our son was sat in the high chair in kitchen when this dog came flying in the house, running around and barking. Scared teh * out of my son.
As my son got older it became clear he had a deep seated fear of dogs. Especially energetic or yappy attention seeking ones.
We do our best to address this. We have a regular loan dog that we take for walks (he's a big old bearded collie with a lovely temperament). Our son is quite happy walking with him on / off a lead and petting him.
But even with this our son (now 6) is still * scared of tail wagging / yapping / barking / attention seeking dogs. We've done our best to get him used to the well behaved ones but it's damn hard just to say 'ignore it - it'll go away'. These dogs have a sixth sense to hassle people who are scared and how you tell a 6 yr old to man up and deal with it is beyond me.
So I'm with the get them under control if they aren't trained or behaving view.
So am I, and most owners on here, and I'm sorry your son still has a fear of the more 'demanding' types. But keep working with it, because sadly (and I say this as a dog owner) not everyone is.
The ones trying to defend / justify on here that dog owners who let their animals be a pain in the arse is actually perfectly acceptable
Could you point out who has done this?
can we rewind to the bit where the two forum members are in each other faces about fire extinguishers and car boots? that was great.
Could you point out who has done this?
Well, gavtheoldskater places the blame firmly with the chased if that's a good enough start for you.
[quote=anagallis_arvensis ]The runner who a few pages ago talked about all the times he'd been bitten and refused to stop running when an excited dog approaches him is a classic case, he seemed happy that he'd kept running and been bitten.
Except that wasn't what he said at all - it was something he mentioned as a comment from the owner of the dog "justifying" its actions (because such dog owners are totally incapable of apologising IME). You seem to be keen on the idea of people taking pre-emptive action to "defend" themselves from out of control dogs - does that mean if I'm out running on a local common and spy a dog running off the lead I should stop running? Just how close should I allow the dog to get before I stop running? One time I got bitten I was doing an interval session, and the dog ran in from the side from quite a distance away. I could have completed my dog owners' bingo card from the reaction of the owners. Is your suggestion that I give up doing running training anywhere there might be loose dogs - or do you have a better one?
[quote=anagallis_arvensis ]Could you point out who has done this?
I can't provide specific quotations, but you're doing a damn good job of implying that it's not all the fault of the dog owners.
I can't provide specific quotations
Well there you go.
Gavtheoldskater maybe an example but I cant be bothered to go back and look so I'll give you that one. But everything I've seen has said that it shouldnt happen and the owners of such dogs are bellends but a lot of people are bell ends and own dogs so a bit of knowledge and or give and take can help.
I see a horse whilst out on my bike I slow down and say hello, I see a dog I slow down, if the owner controls it I say thank you, if the dobt I slow down more or stop and think the owners a bell end.
One time I got bitten I was doing an interval session, and the dog ran in from the side from quite a distance away
Once you saw the dog running at you then it might have been a good idea to stop. Its what I'd do. This doesnt excuse the owner of said dog though.
Well this devolved quickly. OP's son gets hassled by a dog who's owner hasn't got it under control. OP is now to blame according to some. This is great.
I'm going to sign up for a defense against everything that might happen course. Clearly if I get mugged, bitten, end up being the victim of a terror attack, fall victim to a random natural occurrence, get mauled by a baboon that's escaped from the local sanctuary for insane animals yada, yada, yada it'll be completely my fault.
Riding down a country track, saw 2 Weimaraners off the lead and looking intently at me. I stopped and put the bike between me and them, still ended up with the puncture marks below for my trouble.
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Owner accused me of making it up that I'd been bitten. How should I have handled it differently?
EDIT: To be clear, it's front teeth were on the outside of my leg (puncture marks) it's back teeth were behind the tendon/ligament. It's just luck that it decided to release and not bite harder, otherwise I doubt I'd have much use for that leg.
NOBODY HAS BLAMED THE ****ING OP OR HIS HIS ****ING CHILD!
Seriously, you lot have a bloody cheek, hard of thinking indeed...
OP is now to blame according to some.
Could you show where this happend?
How should I have handled it differently?
Take pictures of dogs and owner and report to police?
NOBODY HAS BLAMED THE * OP OR HIS HIS * CHILD!Seriously, you lot have a bloody cheek, hard of thinking indeed...
Yes, they have. Not overtly and they're a minority, but still. For instance, on the previous page:
with respect, teach your kid to deal with dogs. if he had known how to its very likely he wouldnt have been chased, and also from the initial post you did not see what caused the dogs to run after him so who is to say your kid didnt throw a rock at the dog.sorry if this offends about a million people but as a dog owner i know that they very worst people you meet out and about are those that act stupid and scared around dogs. dont blame a dog for a persons inability to deal with one.
Fabricating a completely imaginary rock-throwing incident is hardly laying the blame at the feet of the dog owners now, is it.
Complaining about people being "stupid" and scared of dogs completely handwaves the fact that there's an uncontrolled animal there to for a child to be scared of in the first place.
Thanks Cougar, saves me responding. Must be the fact that I'm hard of thinking :roll
Yes, they have
One example does not make a "they"
I'm sure non fans were referred to as 'bed wetters' earlier. Hardly positive?
I should be clear incidentally, I'm not singling Gav out here, it's just that his comment was unfortunately the freshest. There were a couple of others further back, I've had a quick skim but can't immediately lay my hands on them and don't care sufficiently about Internet point-scoring to search any longer.
One example does not make a "they"
Seriously? Mate, that's even lamer than implying that you couldn't reply earlier because of some flim-flam about ban hammers.
Seriously? Mate, that's even lamer than implying that you couldn't reply earlier because of some flim-flam about ban hammers.
Hardly, you implied lots of people have said it when one had as far as any of us can be bothered to look.
that's even lamer than implying that you couldn't reply earlier because of some flim-flam about ban hammers.
You are hot on implication, but it seems its mainly when you decide to make something up.
I'm sure non fans were referred to as 'bed wetters' earlier. Hardly positive?
True but its not saying the that the owners werent at fault. Its just the way some go on here its like people cant leave the house without being confronted by dogs either jumping up to lick them or bite their face off.
Hardly, you implied lots of people have said it when one had as far as any of us can be bothered to look.
I didn't imply anything of the sort. That's inferring you're thinking of. Either that or you're mixing up my posts with that of others.
You are hot on implication, but it seems its mainly when you decide to make something up.
You said no-one had blamed the victims, I gave you an example of when someone had, then instead of going "oh yeah, sorry, I was mistaken" you came out with the frankly ludicrous reply that one person doesn't mean more than one... and now *I'm* making things up?
I give up, I'm going to go and make food. Just the one meal, so it probably doesn't count.
You can actually use they as a singular pronoun, just thought I'd point that one out
Cougar, I'm more referring to the fact that every time someone suggests something which could well mitigate against future incidents this is somehow victim blaming. That makes as much sense as suggesting that if you teach a kid the green cross code then drivers are off the hook.
Anyway, I'm done, clearly nobody is in a mood to be reasoned with, usual self congratulatory echo chamber circlejerk may resume.
You can actually use they as a singular pronoun, just thought I'd point that one out
Thats true, dont tell Couger though!
You said no-one had blamed the victims, I gave you an example of when someone had, then instead of going "oh yeah, sorry, I was mistaken" you came out with the frankly ludicrous reply that one person doesn't mean more than one... and now *I'm* making things up?
You need to go back and have a read, gavwhateverhisnamewas had already been discussed and you certainly suggest its been written by more than one so it shouldnt be hard to find.
I should be clear incidentally, I'm not singling Gav out here, it's just that his comment was unfortunately the freshest. There were a couple of others further back
This certainly makes out we have seen more than one, maybe I missed a few pages or something but all the posts I have read apart from the one shown have said the owners are at fault.
The sensible debate has probably run out of puff if people are reduced to debating pronouns and singular vs plural over the more substantive issues...
You need to go back and have a read, gavwhateverhisnamewas had already been discussed
So how come I knew about it and you didn't?
maybe I missed a few pages or something
You need to go back and have a read
I'm more referring to the fact that every time someone suggests something which could well mitigate against future incidents this is somehow victim blaming.
Can't comment on others' posts, but I've said at least twice on here now that that's not what I think.
Incidentally, who is "Couger"?
Can't remember the last time I was in either real or imaginary danger of being attacked by a horse.
Not attacked, but I've been in two situations where a nasty accident could have happened; first one I was riding along a quiet country lane, with a horse and rider in front, as I came up behind I called out "Is it alright to come past?", as instructed to do, because a human voice is more reassuring to a horse than a bell. Trouble was, the rider was off in a little world of her own, my calling out made her jump, tugged on the reigns and the horse shied and went sideways across the road, fortunately I was still just behind.
Second was on a section of Sustrans path going out of Chippenham, and some bloke was riding a horse along it when the horse got spooked by a low-flying Chinook chopper a little way away. The horse took off like a rocket, the rider had no control, he was like a rag doll on its back, basically a passenger.
There were two girls in front on bikes, riding two-abreast, and this big horse tore past them at full gallop, missing them by barely a metre, it was sheer luck there was about a metre of grass to the side, otherwise it would have gone straight through them!
One of the scariest things I've ever seen while out riding.
Also, one night I was riding back home on a stretch of Sustrans path across a playing field, there's a carved stone seat where young couples often sit and snog when it gets a bit dark, and I could see a couple of vague shapes sat there as I came up towards them, but not close enough for my light to really pick them out clearly.
All of a sudden, as I got level with the seat there was a bark and a whitish blur, and a small dog shot out towards me and went right under both wheels, making a loud yelp. I braked, but the dog had already disappeared across the field, and I wasn't going to stay around and get into a confrontation with its owners, but the point is an animal that isn't in full control is a danger, the dog would almost certainly have had me clean off the bike if it had been very much bigger, 6" of suspension on the front or not, and a ton of horse will kill.
Replaying that episode with the runaway horse still shocks me, those two girls will never know just how close they came to being terribly injured or killed.
There's some classic victim blaming here, I'm entirely with the OP, it's [i]not[/i] up to him to have to train his son how to deal with someone else's animal in a public place; it's their responsibility to keep their animal fully under control, preferably on a lead, but if not the animal should be properly trained to respond to commands to come when called.
Incidentally, who is "Couger"?
Some petty bellend.
Stay classy.
[quote=boblo ]The sensible debate has probably run out of puff if people are reduced to debating pronouns and singular vs plural over the more substantive issues...
Also, multi-quotes. Always a good indicator that the thread has descended into bollocks.
I actually very rarely get bother off dogs, but I live in a tenement in a city centre so don't hang out with suburbanites.
Once got bit by a collie off the lead on the Water of Leith so just jumped off, threw the bike at it and hoofed it in the puss with some SPDs. Owner was so far away I couldn't make out his whiny words but at least one of them learned a lesson cos that was not a happy doggie cos it bit the non-kicking leg.
However, if this thing happened often I would suggest that other bikers/walkers/parents carry a riding crop. A swift *thwack" to the nose will likely settle any mutt down. Or uppity owner.
(I only called it out because their spelling is usually immaculate and yet they get my name wrong. If that's intentional then I'm not the one being petty.)
do we have a winner yet?
I would suggest that other bikers/walkers/parents carry a riding crop.
Difficult to justify carrying on a bike if stopped though. Unless you were going to see your girlfriend I suppose.
"Dear OP sorry it happened. If you get your son to do x,y,z it wont happen again"
In other words if you'd have done dog training lessons already it wouldn't have happened, ie its your fault OP.
do we have a winner yet?
I don't think there are any winners here, dude.
I have seen as usual when we get these posts several post "victim blaming" ie saying - its your fault because you don't know how to behave around dogs"
this is utter nonsense. its always 100% the dog owners fault for not controlling their animal - they have a legal duty to do so.
[quote=Cougar ]I would suggest that other bikers/walkers/parents carry a riding crop.
Difficult to justify carrying on a bike if stopped though. Unless you were going to see your girlfriend I suppose.
See waxing thread pls
[quote=tjagain ]I have seen as usual when we get these posts several post "victim blaming" ie saying - its your fault because you don't know how to behave around dogs"
this is utter nonsense. its always 100% the dog owners fault for not controlling their animal - they have a legal duty to do so.
The law is an arse. One who I will spank with my crop!
this is utter nonsense. its always 100% the dog owners fault for not controlling their animal - they have a legal duty to do so.
How dare you sir? Riding in here after eight pages of unreasonable debate with your sensible post. This is an outrage. OUTRAGE!
I'll see you at noon sir.
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I only called it out because their spelling is usually immaculate and yet they get my name wrong.
Your name is actually Cougar?
My spelling is usually shit.
I have seen as usual when we get these posts several post "victim blaming" ie saying - its your fault because you don't know how to behave around dogs"
Really? We've been shown one. I havent seen them.
Not enough dialectical thinking going on here to take anything seriously.
Be good to yourselves, and each other
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Also, one night I was riding back home on a stretch of Sustrans path across a playing field, there's a carved stone seat where young couples often sit and snog when it gets a bit dark, and I could see a couple of vague shapes sat there as I came up towards them, but not close enough for my light to really pick them out clearly.
All of a sudden, as I got level with the seat there was a bark and a whitish blur, and a small dog shot out towards me and went right under both wheels, making a loud yelp. I braked, but the dog had already disappeared across the field, and I wasn't going to stay around and get into a confrontation with its owners, but the point is an animal that isn't in full control is a danger, the dog would almost certainly have had me clean off the bike if it had been very much bigger, 6" of suspension on the front or not, and a ton of horse will kill.
Was out on an all night, social ride a few weeks ago. Riding along in a relatively spread out group. about 4AM - just getting light. A doe jumps out of the verge to the left, between me and the guy in front (3 metre gap?) and lands in the verge on the other side - didn't touch the tarmac once.
Scary as hell when you think back on it - that's a big beastie to get broadsided by
