[Closed] In U.S., 46% Hold Creationist View of Human Origins

Argualympians! Assemble!

This is a definite 6 pager.

In the U.S. 46% of people are stupid 😀

CaptainFlashheart - Member
Argualympians! Assemble!

and neither the first nor last percentages add up to 100%...

the first is 91% and the last 93%...

On a good note, half as many again now beleive that God didn't have a hand 🙂

Is this one of those threads where we all argue round and round in circles, repeating everything that was already said repeatedly on the last 2 or 3 dozen occasions that this stuff's been "discussed" (in the loosest possible terms), everyone is adamant they're right (applies to any STW thread), and so on and so on?

Just so I know how to set my expectations ...

No this is one of those threads where all the smug little losers accuse everyone else of arguing.

Can anyone provide figures for any European countries?

78% of bananas aren't aware that they're yellow

Can't see this thread lasting. Everyone knows they're wrong and everyone knows they're a bit stupid. What's to argue about?

Thats quite depressing.

Maybe creationists are just more likely to answer the phone??

Perhaps 22% of green bananas are stupid

Bananas are actually a type of fish .

Just so I know how to set my expectations ...

set 'em low, jo.

Interesting that the only real change has been the shift from god guided evolution to creationism, a sign of a more polarised debate?

Before this becomes a slanging match against the Ammericans, just remember that their history is still at a stage where great great great great granddad probably fought in the civil war and his grandad probably fought for independance. The sense of belonging to something is much more important over there, hence everything from Hells angels to Christianity provides a rallying point for people to feel a belonging too as there's very little else to identify with.

The most depressing thing about this is democracy.... these same 46% are driving creationism to be taught as as an alternative (and equally valid) therory to natural selection.

Makes me dispair.....

[url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/feb/01/evolution-darwin-survey-creationism ]I find this quite depressing as well, having met a few brits i am not surprised![/url]

Did anyone click through to the methodology - or are you all just Daily Mail-ing your knee-jerk reactions?

Results are based on telephone interviews conducted May 3-6, 2012 with a random sample of –1,024—adults, aged 18+, living in all 50 U.S. states and the District of Columbia.

Interviews are conducted with respondents on landline telephones and cellular phones, with interviews conducted in Spanish for respondents who are primarily Spanish-speaking. Each sample includes a minimum quota of 400 cell phone respondents and 600 landline respondents, with additional minimum quotas among landline respondents by region. Landline numbers are chosen at random among listed telephone numbers, cell phone numbers are selected using random-digit dial methods.

So, I would draw from that information:

Just over 1000 people living in America, who were happy to chat to a stranger, who cold-called them, hold creationist views.

Not really that big a deal or that far fetched is it?

mrmo - good link. Not that different then.

Its interesting how little the view has changed in the last thirty years.

Some comparisons between the states and europe of the same time period would be interesting.

As a pure guess I would imagine that the UK and Western Europe held similar views thrity years ago but the have moved away from traditional religious beliefs more thean the US has.

It also said...

For results based on the total sample of national adults, one can say with 95% confidence that the maximum margin of sampling error is ±4 percentage points.

To me, it sounded like a well conducted survey. a randomised (though small) sample across all states.

Did anyone click through to the methodology - or are you all just Daily Mail-ing your knee-jerk reactions?

Come on....This is STW after all! 😀

The United States is country of extremes. It has a great many people who are extremely ill-informed and ignorant, it also has a great many people who are extremely well informed, liberal, enlighten, and could teach us a thing or two. It is a very polarised country in comparison to many other countries, the word "united" in its name shouldn't be taken too literally. I don't see the point of this thread other than a tedious attempt to bash the Yanks. By all means criticise their governments, and their government's policies, but smugly ridiculing its people is nasty and uncalled for imo.

So, I would draw from that information:

Just over 1000 people living in America, who were happy to chat to a stranger, who cold-called them, hold creationist views.

(......... nooooo, I've been sucked in ............)

20% of the Village People are Construction workers

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The special relationship is more we think it's a relationship and they think we are special....

Don't know if its more of a worry having to pretend to have a special friend who tells you what to do or keeping it a secret like Blair did

I find this quite depressing as well, having met a few brits i am not surprised!

From that guardian article:

Half of the 2,060 people questioned were either strongly opposed to the theory or confused about it.

Actually only 10 or 12% believe in something different - quoted later in the article, but the 10 and 12% seem to ovelap for me: I don't understand the difference between "creationism" and "inteligent design".... I just file them both under "hocum"

I find this quite depressing as well, having met a few brits i am not surprised!

'Half of the 2,060 people questioned were either strongly opposed to the theory or confused about it.'

Eh? Bit of a huge ****ing difference between 'strongly opposed' and 'confused'.

Argualympians! Assemble!

If I had You tube I would post up that guy from Gladiators going contenders ready 3, 2, 1 FIGHT

Actually i read it and only 15 % believe in evolution with 36% believing God guides evolution and 48%* believing in creationism...its worse than I feared...ah shit I made a school boy error I actually read the report cited

Sorry 😳

PS well done to Tootall for playing the I don’t understand how science works, what a random sample is or how appropriate the size of sample is or what on earth significance means...bit early I thought for that personally but WELL DONE

* bonus points if you noticed that those totals only add up to 99%

I don't see the point of this thread other than a tedious attempt to bash the Yanks.

OK, and your point? 😆

There's a film out now about this. Prometheus.

'Half of the 2,060 people questioned were either strongly opposed to the theory or confused about it.'

Eh? Bit of a huge ****ing difference between 'strongly opposed' and 'confused'.

They can be quite closely related- I think a lot of people who'd say they're opposed to it probably don't understand it. You know- "If evolution is real, right, why haven't the monkeys in the zoo learned to talk yet? Eh?" etc etc.

I just had a lovely [s]fish[/s] banana yoghurt.

So some people are religious, and believe what their bible tells them.

Er, so what?

So some people are religious, and believe what their bible tells them.

Er, so what?

maybe the fact that they don't actually know what the bible is telling them for a start. [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yam_Suph ]Yam Suph[/url], the bible is a book written at a time, much of it is very context dependent, to read it without context, as many do renders it a very dangerous document. To read and understand its history is a good thing IMO.

Er, so what?

They then commit crimes in the name of their bible? They affect government policy because of what their bible says? It affects our daily lives? It affects education?

So some people are religious, and believe what their bible tells them.

Er, so what?

Well, nothing, if that's the end of it. If they then start lobbying (with some success) to have the stuff in the bible given an equal footing in schools with science, that's something else.

emsz - Member

So some people are religious, and believe what their bible tells them.

Er, so what?

6 out of 7 Dwarfs aren't happy.

And as far as 'believing what the bible tells you' it depends what lesson/moral you take from it.

[url] http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/may/30/christian-fundamentalists-plan-teach-genocide [/url]

In U.S., 46% Hold Creationist View of Human Origins

God help us!

Romans 1:26-28

New International Version (NIV)

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.

[url= http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/70-year-old-stoned-to-death-because-the-bible-says-to-stone-gays/news/2011/03/18/18138 ]Stoning Gays. [/url]

So what's the consensus then........that yanks are all bible-bashing bigots who go around committing genocide and stoning gays and adulterous women ? .... apparently because of a survey carried out, and a few selected links.

I don't think you need to go to all the trouble of crossing the Atlantic Ocean to find a bunch of judgmental ill-informed bigoted halfwits.

Junky,

I'll take my chances.

So what's the consensus then........that a large proportion of yanks [s]are all[/s] are bible-basing bigots who go around committing genocide and stoning gays and adulterous women ? .... apparently because of a survey carried out, and a few selected links.

So what's the consensus then........that yanks are all bible-basing bigots who go around committing genocide and stoning gays and adulterous women ? .... apparently because of a survey carried out, and a few selected links.

That's not what this thread says at all.... pretty ironic that you are accusing others of jumping to conclusions based on what they've read

I don't think you need to go to all the trouble of crossing the Atlantic Ocean to find a bunch of judgmental ill-informed bigoted halfwits.

Its not an accurate reflection of this thread though 😕

Junky,

I'll take my chances.

I think this exactly the sort of thread that gives many people a chance to show how very clever they are.
Go for it. Impress us with your cleverness.

Well, actually I mean impress [i]them[/i] cos I won't be reading.

too many big words 😉

pretty ironic that you are accusing others of.....

I asked a question - the clue was in the question mark.

All I can see is a bunch of smug judgmental bigots queuing up to ridicule yanks. As I said early, I don't see the point of this thread other than a tedious attempt to bash the Yanks. By all means criticise their governments, and their government's policies, but smugly ridiculing its people is nasty and uncalled for imo.

And it's also deeply impolite, a few forum users are actually American.

Theres some wierd comments on here. No-ones bashing america or arguing about whether god exists at all or trying to be clever.

All I can see is a bunch of smug judgmental bigots queuing up to ridicule yanks.

eh? where? all i see is you complaining about it a lot.

All I can see is a bunch of smug judgmental bigots queuing up to ridicule ([b]insert any one of a number of social/cultural/behavioural groups it "OK to hate on stw" here[/b]). As I said early, I don't see the point of this thread other than a tedious attempt to bash ([b]and here[/b])

Just about sums up the way nearly all the chat threads and ever more of the bike threads end up these days.
I can remember when all this round here was green fields and orchards......

No-ones bashing america .....

Don't give me that load of old bollox. The purpose of this thread was to ridicule the yanks with, "haha, look how stupid they are, half of them believe in creation".

Did you actually read the OP ? You obviously didn't, so I'll copy and paste it for you :

TuckerUK - Member

http://www.gallup.com/poll/155003/Hold-Creationist-View-Human-Origins.aspx

And they are our Special Friends? Is that 'Special' as in 'Special Needs'?

"They" refers to Americans, in case you can't figure that out. It's suggesting that they have "special needs".

as is you right but their beliefs are affecting our lifes

That's also what Christians might say about Atheists/Agnostics affecting [i]their[/i] lives.

Not agreeing with/about something doesn't mean it's not valid.

All I can see is a bunch of smug judgmental bigots queuing up to ridicule yanks..

Thanks god you kept your head high ernie and did not fall into the trap of being smug or judgemental on people and thannkfuly you never stoop to ridicule.

Yes they may say that ..shall I add it to the big list of things they believe that are wrong 😉

"They" refers to Americans, in case you can't figure that out. It's suggesting that they have "special needs".

Indeed. I'm frankly alarmed that a country that regrettably intrudes into our daily life so much has such a large percentage of voters who believe in make-believe.

And to misquote 'The reasonable man adapts himself to the conditions that surround him... The bigot adapts surrounding conditions to himself... All progress depends on the bigot.'

So predictable Junkyard, so so predictable.

"They don't like it up'em Captain Mainwaring"

But they don't mind dishing it out.

[i]A 2007 study of religious patterns found that only 8% of Egyptians, 11% of Malaysians, 14% of ****stanis, 16% of Indonesians, and 22% of Turks agree that Darwin's theory is probably or most certainly true.[/i]

Makes America look positivley enlightened -

I think I'll sit back and wait for people to start telling us how stupid moslems must be 😉

Ermmmmm.... nah. 🙂

How many people on here give sensible answers to cold callers or opinion polls? I either put the phone down or wind them up but never give any accurate or honest information.

"They don't like it up'em Captain Mainwaring"

But they don't mind dishing it out.

A 2007 study of religious patterns found that only 8% of Egyptians, 11% of Malaysians, 14% of ****stanis, 16% of Indonesians, and 22% of Turks agree that Darwin's theory is probably or most certainly true

Got any comparative results for Western Europe, say France (secular contstitution) and Spain (quite a religous country)

im gutted, i cant find the link to it now, but i once read a poll by time magazine where they asked people to name the most influential american of all time and the winner was .....jesus! hahahahahaha

It would be interesting to see if anyone's done a similar poll in the States, but split the respondents between those who live with a 100 miles of the coast and those who don't.

It would be interesting to see if anyone's done a similar poll in the States, but split the respondents between those who live with a 100 miles of the coast and those who don't.

Republicans vs Democrats would get you pretty close!

im gutted, i cant find the link to it now, but i once read a poll by time magazine where they asked people to name the most influential american of all time and the winner was .....jesus! hahahahahaha

No,Time hasn't commissioned a poll with this result. Or, I would guess, anywhere reputable. 🙂

It would be interesting to see if anyone's done a similar poll in the States, but split the respondents between those who live with a 100 miles of the coast and those who don't.

This was my first thought- how was the sample spread among the population- were state's weighted equally, regardless of the population, or was there a bias towards the (largely coastal) major, and, to my mind largely secular, population centres?

6 out of 7 Dwarfs aren't happy

Ahem.

One at least is occasionally muddy though.. 😛

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_UK

Not that much difference in the number with religious beliefs or otherwise either side of the pond as far as I can see,so let's not write off all the Yanks just yet.
Even St Augustine writing in the 4th Century AD did't take the creation story and many of the Biblical stories literally

well we have never has a trial for teaching evolution in the uk nor any widespread attempts to have creationism taught in schools.

The numbers may be similar but the "fundamentalism" is different
Why did the Pilgrim fathers leave again?

I dont think anyone is actually knocking all yanks despite the repeated claims.

There are enough 'yanks' slagging off the Christian Fundamentalist Tea Party fringe to be able to do without our help 😆

Why did the Pilgrim fathers leave again?

So they took their creationist fundamentalist views and practice religious freedom in the US of A 😉

"Is that 'Special' as in 'Special Needs'?"

-Tucker UK

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Congratulations, your **** of the day medallion is in the post

I dont think anyone is actually knocking all yanks despite the repeated claims.

^this

A few people were getting a bit upset earlier, but this is actually quite a sensible thread by STW standards.... ignoring the construction worker on page 1 😯

Edit: having seen the post above, maybe a few people are knocking them....