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"You are talking about man and woman as friends. Sorry, that doesn't have any place in our society. We have the best culture. In our culture, there is no place for a woman."
AP Singh, had said in a previous televised interview: "If my daughter or sister engaged in pre-marital activities and disgraced herself and allowed herself to lose face and character by doing such things, I would most certainly take this sort of sister or daughter to my farmhouse, and in front of my entire family, I would put petrol on her and set her alight."
Two quotes from the lawyers representing the Delhi rapists/murderers!
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-31698154 ]BBC.[/url]
Very disturbing reading.
I have a friend who is a Yoga teacher who regularly goes to India to learn from the masters, I am always praying/hoping she never comes across any of these types of people, if you can even call them that.
Leslee Udwin's film, India's Daughter, will be broadcast on Storyville on BBC Four on Sunday 8 March at 22:00 GMT. It will be shown in India on NDTV at 21:00 local time.
There's worse quotes in that article, wish I hadn't read it, going to struggle to sleep tonight. 😥
Terrifying that a country with a fully functional space program can also harbor misogyny of such vicious intensity that it would have seemed backward centuries ago.
Somewhat puts paid to the notion trotted out occasionally that 'the war is won' and that we somehow 'don't need' Feminism anymore.
Astonishing that those views could be expressed like that.
Awful
There's worse quotes in that article, wish I hadn't read it, going to struggle to sleep tonight.
Really? That worries me more than any quote in any article.
Hatter, just stop to think about the state of affairs in the USA in the early days of their space program.
Equally awful for many.
"In our culture, there is no place for a woman"
That sounds like a culture destined to collapse in one generation.
Quote from a lawyer? Wow, just wow.
I remember the moment when it sank in with me, just a split second for the chill to settle - that a dominant culture can be absolutely monstrous, yet accepted. What happens to a culture is often just a matter of how the dice roll. And what of peaceful cultures - where there is peace and hard-won human rights? Such peace and rights can be reduced to blood and ashes in less time than a lifetime.
There's worse quotes in that article, wish I hadn't read it, going to struggle to sleep tonight.Really? That worries me more than any quote in any article.
my tendency to get bad things stuck in my head or the depravity of those interviewed?
Time again to read The Better Angels of Our Nature by Stephen Pinker for a dose of the old warm and fuzzy. Feeling increasingly grim these days :-/
Your tendency to allow quotes in an article to disturb your sleep.
Really? That worries me more than any quote in any article.
Being worried by someone else's worries is a bit odd to say the least, esp if you don't even know them....
Footflaps - you need to remember that even a 100% increase on **** all is still **** all.
Yes, there is, by the sink, cooker or washing machine 😆
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That was grim reading,I saw it this morning.
"When being raped, she shouldn't fight back. She should just be silent and allow the rape. Then they'd have dropped her off after 'doing her', and only hit the boy."
[url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/11443462/Delhi-bus-rapist-blames-his-victim-in-prison-interview.html ]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/11443462/Delhi-bus-rapist-blames-his-victim-in-prison-interview.html[/url]
Words fail me.
"In our culture, there is no place for a woman."
And yet India had a woman prime minister/head of government 13 years before the first British female prime minister, which suggests otherwise.
Plus of course those found guilty of rape/murder, such as the ones featured in the article, face a punishment worse than the equivalent in Britain - death by hanging.
Life for the misogynist in India isn't necessarily a bed of roses.
The punishment if convicted is severe but I'd lay good odds on the probability of being convicted as extremely low.
India is a very big place, there isn't just one culture.
Grim reading indeed.
Dogs' bumholes.
A little while ago the Indian ambassador to Denmark was in high dudgeon because the Copenhagen Post described India as "rape capital of the world". CPH Post may be a horrible rag, but in this case it seems to have hit the nail on the head.
Just disgusted and furious at the same time. Surely you need to be civilized before you can have a culture?
I'd lay good odds on the probability of being convicted as extremely low.
Indeed, rape conviction rates in India are not good :
[url= http://www.firstpost.com/india/a-24-21-per-cent-conviction-rate-for-rape-in-india-lower-every-year-1096959.html ]A 24.21 percent conviction rate for rape in India, lower every year[/url]
I assume that very few rape cases in India actually get reported.
But to be fair rape conviction rates are not exactly brilliant in the UK :
[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/100000-assaults-1000-rapists-sentenced-shockingly-low-conviction-rates-revealed-8446058.html ]100,000 assaults. 1,000 rapists sentenced. Shockingly low conviction rates revealed [/url]
90% claiming to know their attacker but only 15% reporting it, according to that article, is truly shocking.
And coupled with the recent revelations of the under reporting of child abuse, official indifference, and lack of convictions, all the more shocking.
I wouldn't go so far as to describe rape and child abuse as part of British culture though.
Surely you need to be civilized before you can have [s]a[/s] culture?
1.
the arts and other manifestations of human intellectual achievement regarded collectively.
"20th century popular culture"
2.
the ideas, customs, and social behaviour of a particular people or society.
"Afro-Caribbean culture"
Your tendency to allow quotes in an article to disturb your sleep.
Maybe you're right. things like the quote below tend to pop into my head as I'm putting my own kids to bed. I stopped reading the news a while ago but drifted back to it. I think I'll stop again, the front page of the BBC website today is just horrifying. 😥
[i]One of the men I interviewed, Gaurav, had raped a five-year-old girl. I spent three hours filming his interview as he recounted in explicit detail how he had muffled her screams with his big hand.
He was sitting throughout the interview and had a half-smile playing on his lips throughout - his nervousness in the presence of a camera, perhaps. At one point I asked him to tell me how tall she was. He stood up, and with his eerie half-smile indicated a height around his knees.
When I asked him how he could cross the line from imagining what he wanted to do, to actually doing it - given her height, her eyes, her screams - he looked at me as though I was crazy for even asking the question and said: "She was beggar girl. Her life was of no value."[/i]
the interviews were a chiling insight into the mind of rapists
I am not qualified nor well informed enough to say whether they speak for themselves or their culture but I suspect the former.
Their culture and various religions define how they behave and what values they adopt.
We really need to address these issues head on.
- but of course that wont happen as that would be 'non PC' and go against human rights. FFS.
Their culture and various religions define how they behave and what values they adopt.We really need to address these issues head on.
[b]News update : The Sun has finally set on the British Raj[/b]
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what is the non pc action you are advocating we take in dealing with a foreign countries internal affairs?
ernie you may like this show
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05403lf
interesting chat on revolution for first 15 minutes and interesting methods..bit bourgeois mind so not sure what you will think but i found it interesting and thought you might as well.
Trimix - who is 'they'?
Meanwhile back in good old civilised Blighty
Thanks JY. I'm going out in a minute - I'll have a look later 🙂
I have been following the story. It's very disturbing. I think we should be putting pressure on India to address these issues which do appear endemic is some regions. That being said the Oxfordshire child abuse scandal seems to suggest upto 400 girls groomed and abused. So we have plenty to put in order in our own country
And yet India had a woman prime minister/head of government 13 years before the first British female prime minister, which suggests otherwise.
Of course it helps that her father was a prime minister before her, and that she was in Government a long time before hand, and that she had undue influence over it as well.
Bizarrely, the murdering rapist ba*tard made a point when he referred to "culture."
Indira Ghandi was offered the equality of law that her high status allowed, this can also be said of the young affluent Indians who make up the upper reaches of Indian society today, the same can't be said for about 3/4 of the population who still live in the lower echelons of society.
That culture, be it the caste system, boys favoured over girls, or religion, is only going to diminish as the country becomes more modernised...but with a population of 1Bn+, it ain't going to happen soon.
Which is weird, cause I think in the U.K. equality really started bottom up (Factories, Wars, Nursing, Teaching etc etc.).
I read some of this in one of the Sunday papers, and it induced an overwhelming desire to take a baseball bat or pickaxe handle to that supercilious little bastard's smug smirk.
I'd then use it on his fingers, before castrating him.
Awful though that article is, as others have said, we have our own problems here as well. I suspect that his attitude is not an "Indian" thing, it's a "rapist" thing. All cultures need to look at how to address that mindset.
I read the Telegraph article the other day and was pretty shocked at the attitude portrayed to the victim and women in general.
I do t think you can really blame it on the country though, especially when people still get raped in the UK.
A quick google search will reveal what sometimes happens to suspected rapists in India !
My own personal view is that we here in the Oh so civilised UK need to sort our own shit out before we start pontificating about other countries and their cultures.
Of course it helps that her father was a prime minister before her, and that she was in Government a long time before hand, and that she had undue influence over it as well.
Indira Ghandi could well have been a cigar-smoking gun-toting head of a crime syndicate who personally assassinated her rivals and bombed her way to power, but that wouldn't diminish the fact that she was firstly a woman and secondly, as prime minister the most powerful politician in her country ruling over hundreds of millions of people. Which kind of undermines the claim : "In our culture, there is no place for a woman."
Now if you want to make a distinction between the role of women in wealthy cities and the role of women in poor rural regions then that's a different matter. But that distinction between wealthy urban areas and poor rural regions is not restricted only to India, even though it might be particularly striking there.
In fact as CFH previously pointed out even a "modern" country can provide examples of huge internal differences. 50 years ago a black man living in a prosperous city on the East Coast of America could become a wealthy businessman, while a black man living in some backwater in Mississippi could get lynched for just looking at a white woman the wrong way - hanging black men from a tree was part of their "culture".
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IMHO few poster show the breadth of knowledge that ernie does and , not that I always agree with him, his posts are always worth reading and often insightful even the sarccy ones.