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Easy to type, Hora. Not so easy in reality - http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/i-just-love-my-dog-so-much
Oh I know. We have a few issues with our Bingo (who we have mithered for 5yrs) and our newborn son. Obviously Bingo is 'wtf' and we are dont want to let him go.
Taylorplayer
The OP has had a dog, with issues, for 3.5 years. The dog isn't anything close to demonstrating what any responsible owner would call reasonable. The dog won't walk to heel, urinates without control, demonstrates agressive behaviour, won't respond to commands and won't be walked by 'anyone she doesn't like'. The OP then has to leave the dog alone, in a caravan, for some 40 hours a week. Perpetuating that situation isn't good for either party - it is downright dangerous for both if this continues. I own a rescue dog and I'd not be without him - but this thread is about something that, frankly, isn't going to get better. If the OP hasn't even got the dog walking to heel after 3.5 years, this is not going to end well.
I should point out that I was on a major downer when I wrote that first post and exaggerated the situation somewhat.
Now then, when I first got her if she saw a man she weed from fear. Now, she is more confident and very rarely does that. That is progress.
She has mild incontinence. That is controlled by Propalin.
She used to pull very hard on the lead all the time. Now she pulls when she sees a car. Progress.
She used to not come when she was called. Now she does, unless she is chasing a squirrel. Progress.
I am grateful to you all for your comments, even the negative ones. It is certainly food for thought.
TooTall, I tell the dog walker to encourage her to go with him/her but not to force the dog. Are you saying that I should tell the dog walker to drag her out of the caravan and make her walk? Don't you think that would cause her a great deal of stress?
BTW it is a big caravan, she is NOT crated and she can get out into the awning. I am making friends with my new neighbours, some of whom don't have to work, and one in particular has offered to walk her during the day.
I agree I have been negligent in addressing the car/bike/runner barking fear thing and your comments have prompted me to try some further help with it.
As for a social life for me, if I am honest, the simple and only reason I am lonely is because I haven't done anything about meeting people because I find it difficult (and I still miss my ex). Not the dog's fault at all, mine.
One last thing, I felt some of more negative posters were rather rude and hurtful and were not helpful given I was at a very low point. I'm so tempted to make a sarcastic remark but will resist.
Have a good day all.
That's more like it <thumbs up>
My bitch is on Propalin too. Happened almost as soon as she was spayed, which they didn't mention prior to the op but is not uncommon. The fact that her stitching looked like it had been done by a blacksmiths apprentice makes me highly suspicious re the whole thing and I suspect she might have been done by a trainee.
Don't worry about the social life (if you are that is ?)I've been in the same position for over a year and thoroughly enjoy being able to do exactly what I want, when I want (dogs and work excepted, of course).
Chin up and enjoy yourself. Dogs do tune into vibes so have fun 😉
Good to hear that Karin - after having briefly spoken to you at Swinley I could tell you didn't want to give up your dog (whereas mine could go tomorrow 😉 !)
Unfortunately some people just do not see the signs that indicate a person is struggling. Empathy is not just a female strength, some men have it too, but others are just far too quick to spout off in an unpleasant manner.
We do not live in a perfect world, some folk have all sorts of horrendous situations to deal with, we need to cut some slack sometimes.
Still reckon there's some really decent people on here though. 🙂
Karin - hang in there girl. You're definitely on the right track and are obviously totally committed to Missy and her well-being.
Karin, bookmark this thread. You can look at it when you feel like you did in your first post - and you'll be able to see from your last one that there [u]can[/u] soon be a time when you feel more positive and things look less black.
That's a much more positive attitude, I'm very pleased that you are obviously feeling better today 🙂
Just remember your dog loves you...
Sorry to just be negative, but you have to let that dog out during your shift. A dog should not be made to hold it's bladder for more than 8 hrs - surely this fact alone can't be helping her bladder problem.
The Artist
If you had read the OP's last post you would know that the dog has access to an awning and neighbours have volunteered to take her out during the day which should be a big help.
Ah, missed that line. My bad.
Hi. Thanks for your kind remarks. I am at home today, dicky tummy, set off this morning on the bike but significant rumbling forced a u-turn!
I am sitting on my bed and Missy is sitting on hers, at the other end of the caravan, watching what I call 'dog telly' (the birds in the hedge) and totally ignoring me - as usual.
DezB, thanks, you're a lovely man, and your friend is nice too.
Johnners - good idea.
Woody - the vet says it was the spaying operation that caused the incontinence - but they didn't mention it before the operation. Why? Stitches - Missy's are ok, but I have come to change my opinion of vets as selfless animal lovers to people who are probably still fond of animals but have a strong commercial interest. Social life - I see lots of people at work, I interact on here, I go on group rides. That's ok. I agree that doing what you want is great.
CG - I will ring you. Thanks.
DezB, thanks, you're a lovely man, and your friend is nice too.
Ay oop! Is this thread taking an unexpected turn? 😉
Well, even though I was on the Swingles ride, I'm a married man... otherwise... 😉
A cue to post [i]that[/i] pic of me and the wife, no doubt!
I can see your point re vets and commercial interests (same analogy as dentists saving a tooth, as once it's pulled, no further income from it!) but that has not really been my experience. I was quite shocked to discover how common incontinence is after spaying but on balance would probably have gone ahead anyway as there are +ve's re incidence of mammariam tumours etc.
Some good info [url= http://www.petplanet.co.uk/care_incontinence.asp ]HERE[/url]. Propalin seems to control it very well and the alernative ie. further investigation at a specialist centre and possible op/ops, which apart from the cost £2.5K+, would mean several days in Glasgow (170 miles away) which is the closest specialist vet surgeons, is not really an option. I don't know whether the collagen injection op is available in this country yet.
Coincidentally, my 2 came face to face with an 18 month old doberman on the morning walk today and the owner (male) was nearly pulled off his feet several times trying to hold it. In a brief chat he said it could never be let off the lead due to attacking other dogs + barking at passersby etc. He's had the dog from 6 months old. After a few minutes I called my dogs back and they all had a sniff, seemed fairly calm and while the doberman was obviously still a bit nervous of my 2 there was none of the aggression from a couple of minutes before. Does Missy mix with other dogs at all ? Just wondered as it seemed to have a good effect on the one I met this morning.
I have spent a lot of time socialising her to other dogs - and a lot of energy preventing other dog owners from allowing their off-the-lead dogs to hammer up to us barking madly, which unnerves her completely - and frankly I don't blame her for that.
She likes other dogs but is nervous and worse on the lead (she barks, I think, to make herself look scary to the other dog). She prefers to meet other dogs in a large space, she runs away a short distance and then advances at her pace, does her play-bow, and games commence. I love to see her with other dogs. Some neighbours live in a multi-yurt, they have two german pointers, the dogs have met, and I am optimistic that they will all become friends.
She is almost at the top dose of Propalin but apparently there is another drug which can be combined with it. We'll cross that bridge if/when we come to it. As I said before, she has the funny walk that may signal Wobblers later on. If Wobblers does develop and progress I will have her put to sleep rather than let her suffer pain. There is an operation but even vets say it is not always particularly effective and the recovery is long and painful.
I meet lots of people out walking, both doggy and non-doggy. The common theme seems to be that most guard-breed dogs are edgy, nervy dogs. If they are that way, it's not surprising that they react in an animated fashion when something or someone is advancing rapidly on them/their owner. I have worked hard to socialise her to all sorts of things, but I wonder if you can, or would want to, completely 'train out' a trait that has been in the breed since Herr Dobermann created his 'intelligent, loyal, protective companion'?
DezB - oooh! you are awful! lol
My 2 were on the lead this morning - they always are if I can't see for a good distance and were only let off while I chatted. It annoys me too when owners allow their dogs to do that as you can never be sure. Even the dog trainer I went to keeps hers on the lead. Her reasoning is that you can never rule out an attack (either way) no matter how much you think you know your dog! You certainly wouldn't want to train the breed traits out, that is one of the reasons (presumably) you got a Doberman.
Good luck anyway and I hope the Wobblers never transpires. It sounds like you are doing everything you can and are [b]very[/b] patient.
ps. had to Google it but I now know what a yurt is LOL 😆
One time I was on my bike in Broxbourne Woods, Hertfordshire. A very very big white English Bull Terrier appeared, alone, and ran in a deliberate way up to me. He jumped up at me and sniffed my face.
Even though I am a doggy person I very nearly had a clean-underpants-please moment.
The woman with the dog then appeared, chatting on a mobile phone (don't know how she had signal in a wood, but never mind), totally unconcerned and just walked past, kind of incidentally called the dog, which kind of incidentally eventually obeyed and ran off after her.
That kind of thing annoys me. What if the dog had done that to a child?
LOL that sort of thing happens to me frequently in my job and invariably it's a rottweiler or some sort of staffy cross. Never had a problem after the initial stand-off (lucky?) and they are usually very friendly, lovely dogs. I've been tempted to liberate them from their dealer/addict owners on a couple of occassions.
It does make you wonder though, that these dogs are usually incredibly loyal to their owners even though some of them are treated very badly. Proves, if nothing else, that it is vital to be the 'pack leader'.