When I was younger we were allowed to use a friends bedroom as a place to crash and have a splif or two most nights. His parents who I still know to this day (20years on) both had decent jobs, lived in a well to do area and were very respectable. Their view was that their son was going to smoke weed whatever they said to him so they let him do it upstairs with his close friends where they knew where he was.......if he wasnt indoors he would be doing it on the streets and in all kinds of unsavoury people.
I guess his folks were taking a huge risk allowing him to have friends round to do the same (a small bunch of us who the parents had known for years)as if any of our parents had found out I'm pretty sure they would have gone to his house to confront his parents.
I now have two teenage daughters and wondering if I would do the same if they ever smoked weed.......or would I let them smoke it in public with the risk of getting caught and not knowing where they are or even worse, who they are with? Is it best to try and control small elements? And no, they dont smoke weed but yes I do so would know straight away if they did.
What would you do if there was no chnace they weren't going to stop smoking it....allow them to do it int heir bedroom where you know where they are and who they are with?
Smoking in the house is horrid, weed or otherwise.
It's about trust and communication isn't it.
Finbar, I totally agree with you, it is a horrible smell and lingers on everything for ages, the ban on smoking in enclosed public spaces is best bit of legislation for a while IMO, but you havent really answered the q!
Yeah, sorry. I guess i'd let them do it in the garden if it wasn't overlooked. TBH i'd be more concerned about the lung-raping issue than the drugs. Maybe buy them a vapourizer? Bake it into some brownies? 😉
Nickc - is that a yes or a no then?? I do know what you mean but his folks were taking a huge risk trusting a bunch of teenage potheads to be quiet about it, but we all did. Obviously trusted us then! I'm not sure if I could do the same though for my dughters and their friends but I'm pretty sure I would for my daughters if they were alone........but whats the point and where's the fun smoking alone?
I dont see the whole "protecting them from others/the street" issue. IF they do it in the house they'll do it in the street. If you give them a place to do it you're suggesting its a good idea. While not always possible, I'd hope my kids would be sane enough not to take the habit up.
I'd let them smoke at home...
Preferably outside, in a shed..
To be fair, if they wanna smoke weed, they are going to, with, or without your blessing..
I guess if they are doing it and you are aware, if there are any dramas you can be there to help get them squared away.
What would Jacqui Smith do?
enfht - Member
What would Jacqui Smith do?
Buy it, smoke it, and then put it on her expenses?
Weird.. I could have been "your friend". 🙂 Our attic was always the end point for such activities and parents had similir views to your friends.. think we pushed the limits a fair few times though.
I think I would be inclined to let my daughter do that but am pretty sure Mrs Maxray would be having none of it! 😀
I haven't got kids so wouldn't know... My brothers eldest is 17-18 and if I knew he was smoking it I'd probably invite him round my house for a spliff and have a good old chat with him about sensible use and dangers of class A's etc...
Kev
IF they do it in the house they'll do it in the street.
what like we all do with sex you mean?
Personally I make my brews there and often just go to the toilet as well there is NOTHING i do in my house I would not do in th street
seriously though there is very little you can do to protect your children from this but you should be aware that it is illegal to knowingly allow people to smoke in your house and you can personally be prosecuted for this offence.
If they were my kids I probably would allow it my wife would most certainly not so we would all be outside somehwere.
No, when I was younger, I got the lecture about how drugs would mess up your life and how a criminal record would mess up my future. Worked for me. Then again, there was beer in the fridge and I was allowed to help myself from 14. Didn't like the stuff then and not really bother going back since.
God, don't I sound boring!!!
I used to think that I would have no issue with it. However, that was back when all you could get was some half OK red-seal or bog standard weed. It took real effort and dedication to get stoned!
I remember when skunk first really came to the fore in the UK (1993/4) and it was a totally different experience. Now skunk is bred specifically to knock the bee-jeezus out of you.
I personally believe that there is a link between the chemicals in cannabis and psychosis and smoking skunk weed is more likely to tip you over the edge than normal weed on a like for like basis.
My attitudes have changed now and I couldnt turn a blind eye to or advicate by proxy my kids smoking it.
If I caught my kids smoking dope I'd march them down to the front of the local nick and make them smoke all they had in front of the police with a placard saying
'I'm smoking weed - in spite of all my parents have said. I also realise that I am, through my actions, sponsoring local criminal activity and possibly even terrorists. My dad says he is not paying his national health insurance so I can **** up like this - you deal with it'
Fair to say I don't tolerate drugs.....
(Christ! I suddenly realise being from Ulster does not mean I'm necessarily a 'moderate'):roll:
tankslapper - are you for real??!!??
Education is the only way to deal with drug use / abuse.
education is the way forward, and what Tankslapper suggests would certainly teach them a thing or two!
well they wouldn't smoke weed in the house again.
what like we all do with sex you mean?
Yes, because sex and smoking are almost identical. 🙄 What is this, random stupid analogy day?!
😆well they wouldn't smoke weed in the house again.
What would Jacqui Smith do?
Far more importantly, what would RudeBoy do?
who knows, it's hard to predict people who suffer from short man/arse syndrome.
I think weed is one of the most dangerous drugs out there, leads onto other drugs and robs you of ambition, nearly ruined my life.
Of course used sensibly it can be safe done at the right time and the right people, but as a teenager most people don't do this, its all about who can take the biggest caning and if used regularly gives physcosis and paranoia. All my opinion of course, I guess its better if you can keep an eye on yer kids, but it is condoning something which seems to have taken on an air of acceptability, but in my view is worse than E.
If you smoke weed and they know it they'll see you as a hypocrite if you aren't relaxed about it.
Did you think your mates parents were cool to let you do it, respect them for it and not cause any trouble?
My answer would depend on a lot:
There age, Type of weed, what grades they get at school/college, there attitude, what type of friends they have.. So many things to consider!
If they always got in to trouble and things then I probably wouldn't let them smoke it, and would try everything to get them to stop.
Believe it or not, but I am a smoker. My mum let me smoke in the house, but I was 19 at the time.
[i] franki - Member
tankslapper - are you for real??!!??
Education is the only way to deal with drug use / abuse. [/i]
Totally for real - I think the bit that says 'In spite of all my parents have said' refers to the 'education' part.
Belfast upbringing - beat it inta ya! 😆
(That was a party political broadcast brought to you by someone brought-up between 1690 and 1890 - I thank you!)
(That was a party political broadcast brought to you by someone brought-up between 1690 and 1890 - I thank you!)
Tankslapper - that deserves a hearty chuckle 😆
I'd probably go for the education and fact basis. I'd suggest that the way to make something appealing is to ban it, but that's MHO.
Re the house - tricky (as the smell etc is hideous) - but at least they had some form of adult support around. So I actually quite like this attitude (e.g mate bought a massive wendy house, leccy etc, and let them get on with - at least they were in the back garden if they needed help)
I've known recreational drug users (and they really did it when THEY wanted - so drugs were a tool they used for pleasure) but I've seen it go horribly wrong as well (and to be fair the vast majority of the recreational drug users actually gave it up after a while).
My motivation for stopping was socializing with people who were so stoned that they'd forget what they were talking about mid sentence and effectively not being able to do anything useful like being relied on etc etc. Also as they got more into it, it became more of their life - ie driving .... etc etc - which wasn't where I wanted to go.
There is also the horrible truth about alcohol, my mum was a nurse and as she pointed out she never got punched in the face by somebody who'd had a bit too much to smoke.
Evidence and stats appear to vary but modern weed does appear to be a lot more dangerous than the 'hippy stuff' - possibilities of mental illness later on does appear very real. Maybe both you and they could do some reasearch together - at least you'd be able to argue based on fact. However I must admoit as a teenager my listening facilities appeared to be remaarkably impaired. You could also try to encourage sport etc and other interests where they are likely to meet non users (and therefore conform to the new norm)
PS I don't have children so this could all be utter tosh. Best of luck
my dad had a 1930s showmans wagon at the end of the garden. when we reached 16 we got the caravan for 2 years, respect it its yours. dont, back in the house. it was great, quiet(we lived in the woods). rule was no sessions on weeknights(apart from crafty ones after homework) weekends were great few good mates round, chicks and mucho smoking. we had fires outside roamed the woods at night. it soon evolved into cooking, music and bikes. i think the idea was a good one and we were all ready to leave home at 18. this was part of a [u]very[/u] hippy upbringing. my own kids? well...have to wait and see(girls 9&3).
No,wouldn't let them smoke weed or anything else in the house & if I caught them smoking anything outside I'd kick the crap out of them.Don't think it would ever come to that as my kids are very anti-smoking anyway,seeing their granddad die from throat cancer(very unpleasant)has had a lasting effect on them.....
[i]I'd kick the crap out of them[/i]
Nice 😐
Yeah you're right,I'd much rather see them have their voice boxes cut out & then infection set in till thier tongues wouldn't fit in their mouths so they turned black till they finally died.......
If I have wrote, I'd kill them do you ACTUALLY believe that I would really kill them...?Some people 🙄
I would beat the sh*t out of them in an old fashioned Scottish father way, then hunt down the scum who sold it to them and further educate them.
Once they are adult you can't stop them stuffing their lives, but you have a moral duty to protect your children even if it means going to extremes.
I would let them do it but not be happy about it. I take my children to festivals and they know what it is the people are smoking. Too be honest ive always been quite open about it and if anything i think there not that bothered with trying it themselves. I was a regular dope smoker but i dont do it anymore you kind of just grow out of it so i would know if they were doing it.
I have always liked the smell of it especially thai, not too keen on the cheese smell.
You've got to be realistic though, haven't you? Anyone who claims the crappy hash and weak weed we were smoking 20 years ago is the same potency as what's been around for the last 10 years or so is missing the point a little.
We were able to smoke in a mates garage (during "band practice") under a sort of "don't ask dont tell" policy seemingly instigated by his parents. There is no way on earth that what we were smoking was similar to what you will get for the same money today.
The stoner culture doesn't seem to have changed too much, whereas the major variable has.
I don't have children, but I'd like to think that if or when I do I'd be able to provide them with this little nugget of fact.
[i]I would beat the sh*t out of them in an old fashioned Scottish father way, then hunt down the scum who sold it to them and further educate them.
Once they are adult you can't stop them stuffing their lives, but you have a moral duty to protect your children even if it means going to extremes. [/i]
I'm not sure how beating my kids up would protect them, guess I never did understand tough love. I'm 100% sure if I did it, the first thing in their minds would be, 'lets go out and have a crafty spliff, that'll show the bastard.'
....so what I do with my lad is educate him early about the dangers of drug use in a sensible manner. There are soft and hard drugs and some are addictive and some aren't. He then talks to me in an open and frank manner about the kids he knows who take drugs and drink and by maintaining this level of trust (rather than fear), we ensure all problems are quickly dealt with.
It'll be my own fault if he becomes a smack head though, obviously.
get them to roll a fat one!
well maybe not - the worst thing for me is it's a gateay drug - to a tabacco addiction.
I got the lecture of my mum about the evil's of drugs and what would happen if she caught me. Well she did catch me smoking a joint one day and she seemed to have had a chance of heart, she came out with "well at least your unlikely to be getting into fight's and other such trouble whilst your stoned and it probably safer that your in someone's flat than on the street". I spent the next 15 year's smashed and sometimes i wish i hadn't, i had good times, lot's of good times, only 1 or 2 bad times, and some very bored times staring at the ceiling cause i couldn't do **** all else. In the end i got bored of being stoned so i stopped, i still have the very occasional joint if one is passed my way. As for what would i do if my daughter start's smoking it when she is older, well i'll cross that bridge if it happen's, somehow though if it does i have a sneaky suspicion that i'll end up having a smoke with her, old habit's die hard.
a right bag o snakes, this one.
On the one hand, you know where they are & what they're up to.
On the other hand it is illegal and you could be in deep doodoo if any of them are caught
and now we've run out of hands...
do they get hooked on weed, or on the tobacco that often goes with it?
And if hooked on the weed, do they then go onto harder drugs? not always - that depends on the personality of each individual user.
I had a mate who had an addictive personality. I was in a band with him for about 5 years, then I moved away. He started on cigarettes. Then booze - Special Brew was his favourite tipple. Dope. yeah, why not, makes the spesh taste better. ooh what's that white powder on the mirror? gimme gimme. aceeed?!?!? yes please
I saw all this very close up and, although I did experiment, I always had him at the back of my mind. My new friends sometimes laughed at me when I said "no ta", but I knew I was right.
About 5 years ago he decided to clean up his act, get rid of the fags, coke, speed, dope, everything. So he went to a 'self help' group, and met a lass who was a smackhead.
he's dead now.
Not sure what I'd do... I've been a fairly heavy smoker, and a casual smoker, not really touching it at all just now but just because it's not really been in my scene lately rather than a decision not to. If there's one thing that undermined my trust and faith in my parents, it's hypocrisy, and I guess I'd bear that in mind. I couldn't say to them "Stay off the grass" because I haven't, and I haven't come to any harm at all from it, and I've had some very happy times with a little smoke in my lungs- and it's helped me through some bad times. It's been a positive influence on my life, fundamentally.
But still, I wouldn't be too happy with it... Partly because I've seen that it can, in rare cases, lead people bad places. I think that the whole "gateway drug" thing is fundamentally complete cock, but there's no denying weed can do you a lot of harm... Some people dive too deep into it, others get nicked for it, some fall into bad company. And some people coincidentally start doing stronger drugs. The fact that I've been a casual weed smoker with no ill effects for half my life doesn't mean they'll be the same.
But, Just Say No is such a discredited message, if you tell your kids "Weed screws you up" and they look around and see themselves and their friends doing just fine, and having a great time, and being in better shape than their heavy drinking mates, then they're not going to pay too much attention if you ever have to say "crack screws you up"- you've already blown your credibility.
So I guess, I'd try and have an actual adult conversation about it, tell them my honest feelings on it, make sure they understand where I'm coming from, find out what they think about it. This is what my mum and dad called parenting- it worked.
Didn't expect this one to carry on! I guess a slight majority (I'm ready to be corrected on this!) of you are saying you would accept with conditions attached on the grounds of knowing where your kids are and be there on hand if need be.....after discussions, education, more discussions and conditions. Those are my opinions too.
My two are 15 and 13 and very social. 15yr old says a few of her friends smoke weed and that most of them drink....she claims never to have smoked and will never try it and I believe her. She's always had a glass of wine with her meals when we do at home and she respects alcohol, I pick her up most fri and sat nights and never drunk yet. Discussed it with wife before now and she just says hope we never have to cross that bridge.....and so do I. Both kids know I smoke and they havent got a problem with it.
And for those of you who arent too sure us older ones dont go around saying 'wow man' and talking with the fairies constantly eating chocolate and going apple green thus ruining family life. For me its a relaxant and makes me enjoy life picking up on things, opening my eyes. For god sake I live with three women and if they are all on their periods at the same time the walks alone across the fields with the dog (a bitch!!) and a big spliff as the sun is setting is a great soother. If I had alcohol instead of weed I know I wouldnt do half the things i do (yes, I could go without either before anyone asks me but i decide to have a smoke after a day at work as oppossed to drink, my choice) No disrespect to women there by the way, I havent seen any replies from females? But i can also see that someone else with a different personality could just sit there and watch Jeremy Kyle all day letting life pass them aimlessly away.
Dont think I'll go down the beat the crap out of them road as I want them to like me forever and not turn in to some rebelious hooded little sh*t out to prove lots and lots of points to society.
Huge difference between class B and A, thats a different conversation althogether, but I do remember wanting to phone my folks when I was on one (e's) telling them they should try it as its the best thing that could ever happen to them - I'm glad i never did!
As for the parents who let us use their house - no, it didnt make them cool, if they thought that we were going to think that then I'm pretty sure they wouldnt have let us as it wasnt about that. We were, and still are, respectable and respectful to all parents and we all got on with each others parents fine....maybe if we didnt then we wouldnt have smoked there? Lots and lots of factors to consider, each case different, hope I never have to make that decision but if I do I'm pretty certain it would be a yes but keep it very discreet and dont take the p*ss......and give me a shout when you have a smoke!
Nobody going to sugeest a smoke and ride meet this weekend??! Could be some tasty cakes too! Infact, is that what some posts are referring to when they say Mrs 'X' will bake the cakes again to bring on the ride??
Having seen drug addiction in a very close family memeber that ultimatly started from smoking weed i'd say no.
I agree education works to a degree but I do think that it is a parents responsibilty not to alow what is an illegal act.
Also smoking of any kind is stupid, plain and simple.
My parents never caught me- I guess thats the case with most families (including those where the parents find out too late that their kid went one step).
Thing is- if its going to happen (i.e. lead on), it will anyway. You can only teach your children soo much- most of it is down to the kids mental makeup itself. Remember, certain kids you wouldnt let walk to the shop/out of the house on their own (just not streetwise/clued up to cars/hazzards etc from a young age)- ergo this continues- and..if you let them smoke it in the house well its a blanket approach to a problem- trying to be 'liberal' to make them think its uncool. You know your kid- from when he/she was 3yrs old upwards. Judge your response that way.
BTW - a bestmate of mine went loopy and is in a mental hospital following weed, then mushrooms... He started at the sametime as I did.
Have seen too many awful things including the death of one extremely talented guy I knew who never reached his musical potential 😥
Quite a few people I knew ended up with serious mental health problems, attempted suicide etc.
I'm not a parent - only 18.
But when/if I ever have kids, this would be a real dilemma for me, its really got me thinking.
I have never smoked weed or even smoked at all. But my life has definitely been affected by weed. My cousin who I was very close to, started smoking it at around 16 and has been in and out of mental hospitals since - hes now 24. Mental illness was already is that side of the family, his grandmother had suffered from it. The weed seemed to instantly bring it out and he has never been the same since.
At around 16 all my friends started smoking it, I didn't want to, so I didn't. Since then, most of them were expelled from school, dropped out of college.. etc. I had to find a whole new group of friends and slowly distance myself from them. It was and still is very upsetting to watch how they are all, with only 1 exception, wasting their lives away.
So, in answer to the question.
I haven't got a clue. I'd want to keep them safe but obviously want to stop them at the same time. I think that if I do have kids I will just try and teach them from a young age not to try it and hope that works.
Should have said that I do have kids and told them about my and my friends experiences. Reckon my distress was noticed.
For every horror story of drug use their are thousands of users who are unharmed by the experience.
Just replace the word drug for alcohol in that sentence if you disagree with it.
Some people develop issues with drug use but MOST dont.
Indeed. I know extremely succesful, extremely coherant, intelligent and sociable individuals who smoke copious amounts of weed, proper strong stuff too. I'd also argue that they are the amazing people they are, partially because they smoke weed. I think lots of people can become far more creative and innovative simpy by ingesting certain drugs, the music scene is a superb example of this. I'd suggest that many of the finest popular music ever would never have existed without the use of recreational drugs and that would be a bad thing.
I had a great time when I was younger and to be honest I'd quite like my kids to have their own, maybe similar maybe not, experiences as they grow up, I'd be worried of course that they would be damaged in some way, hopefully they won't throw their lives away like me and end up working in IT. Seems even copious amounts of weed wasn't enough to make up for a lack of creative talent 🙁
To go back to the OP.
I am not a parent but my nephew (who is dutch) asked me if I had ever smoked and what did I think about it when he was 15.
I didn't really know what to say to him but he is a smart lad so I thought the truth as I knew it wa the best answer which was: I have smoked. It can be harmless, it can be a bad thing. It can lead you into nicotine addiction easily which is what happened to me, if you have nothing else in your life it can make you very dull indeed and lead to a wasted life. If you have other things in your life then it won't take over. it ain't good for your lungs and some folk it sends crackers. Like most things in life moderation is the key.
Interestingly because he is dutch and weed is available easily it actually seems to have less attraction for the kids as there is no naughty rebellious glamour associated with it. probably less kids there smoke than do here - most of the smokers are adults.
What would Jacqui Smith do?Far more importantly, what would RudeBoy do?
Indeed, [i]far[/i] more important...
I can't be bothered to read some of the long posts above, because quite frankly, my memory is not capable of concentrating long enough for the period of time it would take to read them. That, and they're probbly boring reconstiututed waffle that's been spouted countless times before, about this kind of subject.
Q: Would you let yer kids drink? Not illicitly, with a bottle of blue booze in the local park, I mean a little glass of something at family do's, weddings, parties, etc.
If the answer is yes, then I can't see as you can have a real moral objection to them smoking dope, as alcohol is actually a far more destructive drug socially, and by allowing them to drink, you're condoning the consumption of such.
My mum found an eighth me and me mates had chipped in for, once. I'd just scored it. Down the bog it went; oh, what joy, explaining that one to me mates. [url=
also threw away my best porno mag[/url] (well, it was a spesh edition of German Playboy, belonging to me mate, actually).
I ended up going round me next door neighbour's place, and smoke there. My mum weren't happy at first, but me neighbour explained 'he'll be out smoking on the street, so maybe it's better he's indoors at mine, where he won't get nicked'. That, she saw the logic in. She never condoned my behaviour, but din't get all hysterical over it.
Having smoked for many years, I appreciate the dangers of dope; the long term psychological effects aren't to be ignored, for sure. But people will experiment. If I had kids, I doubt I could be a hypocrit and stop them from smoking dope, considering I did it as a yute. I spose if they were under 16, I'd do me utmost to prevent them, but what you gonna do, when they're outside where you can't see them?
I'd endeavour at least to educate them propply, on the dangers of abusing drugs, but be honest and open with them. Fore warned is fore armed.
Having been there myself, there's no way any kids of mine could ever hide it from me. I'd find there little stash plots!
One of my instant thoughts are that I would be well and truly miffed if they (my theoretical kids) smoked tobacco with it - a physical addiction is not the same as a psychological/social addiction to deal with.
Would I let them smoke? I guess it depends on the person! A friend of mine is some old hippy-type 'dude' and I think he son (who's at uni) enjoy's a bit of stuff to expand his mind (mushrooms) but knowing him and his lad, it is known that it would not be permanent, just a 'phase' as he is more than educated (in both senses).
Now if I found out they were buying coke/ecstasy/ketamine, i'd be pretty upset and want to deal with it - the same goes as heavy drinking!!
Jon - I wouldn't put Es in the same category as coke. its much less powerful and damaging. Es make you lovey dovey and mellow - coke makes you obnoxious gobby arsehole
I admit I havent read the whole thread but when I was in my early teens (i.e. pre legal drinking age) a load of us used to go over to a mates house and snoke pot. Likewise his parents knew full well what we were doing but took the view that they would rather us do that in the house rather than roam the streets/sit in parks etc.
I dont have kids but from my upbringing I imagine that I'll take the stance that I'd rather let my kids get away with certain things within my four walls and under my supervision than to sit in parks drinking and smoking etc. Although I would endeavour to steer them away from casual drug use but most kids are pretty impressionable arent they.
Didn't have time to read the post but i have a friend who has a professional opinion on this and as we are both ex smokers, we are not exactlt anti drugs.
The problem lies in the fact that the THC or TCH (whichever?) content has gone from 3% to 15 to 20% and due to this there are lots of people having head problems.. Not good for you, never mind your kids.
Good point Mugboo. Do all illict drug makers follow the same ingredients/manufacturing standards? Not too long ago I smoked some Skunk and had to stop- it was mental. Its always been strong- but this time even though I only had two draws I was mentally in the pits for over 3days. Ive always been 'sensitive' to weed but the 3day depression, well no thanks.
cinnamon_girl - MemberShould have said that I do have kids and told them about my and my friends experiences. Reckon my distress was noticed.
Go on - was it pink elephants?
An old mate of mine was a gamekeeper who enjoyed a few too many 'smokes'. He realised it was time to pack it in when he awoke one night and a rabbit was sitting on the bed with a shotgun. Every time he hid under the covers and peered back out again their was the rabbit with a 12 bore still pointing at him!
(we did have a good laugh about this one at the time but I guess it was a pretty serious mind **** as he stopped)
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to the OP, yes i would, but you prob guessed that anyway.
used to smoke at a mates house. his folks were left-over hippies. really nice people with a successful business.
i would rather have an element of control and trust over the situation. that and when my stash ran out i could blackmail them into giving me some of theirs.....
"i'll tell ya mum...."
these are all very insular opinions
if you're talking about educating your kids about the social and health problems related to recreational drug use then maybe you should tell them about the wider implications and where their money is ultimately going, what it is funding and how it is impacting not just their lives, but their local community, fuelling the greedy and power-hungry criminals in organised crime and enabling all sorts of horrific people to do all sorts of horrific things here and overseas
you may be fortunate enough that your kids end up being well-balanced, upstanding individuals - but think about other people's kids who might see their brothers, sisters, families or friends end up dead
sorry if that sounds a bit preachy, but your kids need to be made aware of the wider implications
If I caught my kids smoking dope I'd march them down to the front of the local nick and make them smoke all they had in front of the police with a placard saying'I'm smoking weed - in spite of all my parents have said. I also realise that I am, through my actions, sponsoring local criminal activity and possibly even terrorists. My dad says he is not paying his national health insurance so I can **** up like this - you deal with it'
Fair to say I don't tolerate drugs.....
(Christ! I suddenly realise being from Ulster does not mean I'm necessarily a 'moderate'):roll:
Think that's what I alluded to in my earlier response...
maybe you should tell them about the wider implications and where their money is ultimately going, what it is funding and how it is impacting not just their lives, but their local community, fuelling the greedy and power-hungry criminals in organised crime and enabling all sorts of horrific people to do all sorts of horrific things here and overseas
Same could be said of all sorts of 'legitimate' industries, though. Sweatshops, toxic chemicals, dangerous working conditions, slave wages, dodgy regimes, etc, etc...
yes, and the rest of the world's ills that we choose to remain blissfully ignorant of, but the line of sight here is a lot more obvious and a lot easier to do something about
stop buying drugs
(or grow your own)
brakes - Member.................then maybe you should tell them about the wider implications and where their money is ultimately going, what it is funding and how it is impacting not just their lives, but their local community, fuelling the greedy and power-hungry criminals in organised crime and enabling all sorts of horrific people to do all sorts of horrific things here and overseas
This I think is a very valid point. I often think of the stereotype of the middle class dinner party with its organic veg and voting green =where the coke comes out with the coffee. Cocaine has ****ed up Columbia totally. A conveniently forgotten aspect
Growing your own is much more socially responsible then...
We've always taken the attitude that we grew up OK after doing things that would have horrified our parents back then (we got together in 1969 btw), so we would never shout at our kids for doing what we did. But we took a lot of effort to make sure they grew up as good people.
So yes they all drink, smoke weed and shag, but are none the worse for it.
But it does get me that when I was young my parents used to shout "turn that awful music down" and you had to hide your stash from them. Now its my kids shouting that at us.
you should tell them about the wider implications and where their money is ultimately going, what it is funding and how it is impacting not just their lives, but their local community, fuelling the greedy and power-hungry criminals in organised crime and enabling all sorts of horrific people to do all sorts of horrific things here and overseas
Surely that is argument for legalising/decriminalising?
To remove it from the hands of criminals is surely a good thing as its legal status has very little if any effect on it use?
Holland has lower rates of usage than we do BTW.
PS you are 13 you want to get smashed what is easier to get hold of alcohol (legal and restricted ) or drugs supplied by (some are anyway)amoral criminals? Again legalising/decriminalising would actually make it harder for young people to get hold of it.
The war on Drugs cannot be won by anything other than education.
TJ - I'm quite familiar with anything mentioned, and even some not (sorry, didn't mean it to sound off, just commenting). If I was to educate my theoretical children on the 'facts' of where drug money goes and what it funds, we also have to look a little closer to home and how our taxes continually fund methadone for junkies rather than alternative forms of rehab. etc etc - the whole thing is contradictory.
Whatever one says to the yay or nay of drugs, there is one to fight the opposing corner with equally as much gusto and fact throwing.
I'd just be hopeful that I would be able to have a much more pleasant relationship with any potential offspring, rather than the "I am your father, you shall fear me" attitude that I was brought up with - which, I feel, leads itself to a much better relationship with kids.
Either that, or i'll just work a bit harder now and make sure that I buy myself and family out of certain social circles when none of that happens. Yes, that's right, wealthy people don't do that do they? Pass the port and coke spoon would you old bean.... what ho.
Whatever one says to the yay or nay of drugs, there is one to fight the opposing corner with equally as much gusto and fact throwing
but one corner is fighting for their rights (basic, human, civil, freedom of choice, or otherwise) to what is essentially a luxury, not a staple, not a necessity
and to fight for a luxury which in most cases is causing (at best indirectly) the pain and suffering of others is not exactly fighting a good fight
I think legalisation could be a solution, but is too much of a minefield, at least for me to comprehend
Real quality information, truthfulness and honesty would be the key things.
The problem with weed is it's incredibly powerful nowadays and probably has as much of a high as heroin/pills/coke etc.. - Not like when we all used to smoke some crappy moroccan black or whatnot in the 80's/90's etc..Great buzz but the psychological effects are massive with "modern" weed.
Lanesra - sorry that is simply a myth - it is stronger but it is not in the same league as smack or coke.
Objective testing has shown it to be 1.5 - 2 times as strong and no stronger than the best of old skool weed
1.5 - 2x as strong but not stronger? How does that work then?
Its stronger than the average weed from years ago but no stronger than good Thai
Not knowing a massive amount about growing the stuff, I would speculate as the chemicals used in growing a lot of it, quickly ... Like any chemically grown crop available, the stuff sprayed on them is pretty damned bad for you.
But who's going to stand up and say that chemically enhanced bio-products are bad for you, that would leave 000's of products 'unsuitable for human consumption' and a lot of farmers in trouble?
Maybe anyway.
But yep, couldn't agree more with TJ on this... open, honest and straight talking.
Different drugs, different times - All "manufactured" drugs (pills/weed etc) are much more powerful than the ones we took as kids
Also agree about education, I worked in Eindhoven for a few years and I think its someting stupid that less than 5% of dutch people smoke weed/black etc..despite it being legal
more of us should smoke weed. end of.
ever had a fight with a stoner? no? thought not.