[Closed] If vechles are going electric what will happen to...

Hybrids, innit.

http://www.hillsideleisure.co.uk/blog/electric-campervan/

I think the range will be somewhat better by 2040. Get rid of the steering column and the driver seat - and you can fit a whole lot more battery in there as well.

How on earth will an electric car pull a caravan ?

I can't be alone in hoping it won't be able to, can I?

How on earth will an electric car pull a caravan ?

All the torque available all the time will help massively.

Range is increasing all the time. Campsites already have electrical hook-ups.

Sorted

They and their owners will be mulched to make new road surfaces

How on earth will an electric car pull a caravan ?

They will be no more glorious times.

I can't be alone in hoping it won't be able to, can I?

It is an extra bonus.

Don't worry. If cartoons taught us anything it's that in the future we'll all be jetting around in spaceships. 2040 is definitely in the future. I'm sure there will be caravan and motorhome versions.

How on earth will an electric car pull a caravan ?

I can't be alone in hoping it won't be able to, can I?

Then anyone who wants to travel around would have to stay in one of CFH's many hotels dotted around the country. As long as they can actually get there in the first place of course. 🙂

Caravans already have batteries in them. I don't find it too hard to imagine those batteries being used as range-extenders...

MsWife and I want to spend a week in Dorset later in the autumn. For the prices being charged for bnb's/small apartments we can get a week in Sardinia. But, one borrowed caravan and we've got our week in Dorset for a hundred quid. Caravans are bloody great!

Y'no doze fings day puts rownd horses edz t' pull cartz n' traps ?

Dayz gunna mayk em' frrr humans int day.

Aye the 2 *110ah lead acids...

That'll be an extra 4 miles

Driving to north wales from London for example could take a while with electric stops !

Aberystwyth - London is 347km. Zoé would do that on a charge but a hour break somewhere to add 50% to the battery would be a better bet as you wouldn't have to worry about driving economically and you'd arrive with lots of spare range. I've just charged Zoé, she's showing 406km range based on the pottering about we've done recently.

That's with a current 41kWh Zoé, all the new models being announced have even more range with 45 - 60kWh batteries, admittedly in bigger cars. Tesla are heading towards 1000km if you have Tesla money to spend.

Edit: charging Zoé in a campsite on a 10A blue hook up from about 20% took 18h.

Here you go:
[url= http://www.greenmatters.com/living/2017/08/31/ZHQvPu/solar-rv ]Click linky[/url]

Tesla are heading towards 1000km if you have Tesla money to spend.

Zoé would do that on a charge

Towing a caravan ?

I always knew Unigate were ahead of their time

I've just charged Zoé, [b]she's[/b] showing

Urgh.

Having ditched the idea of a T6 TSi Cali we have 46 000e (the difference between Zoé and a Cali) to spend on accommodation.

Ha, follow me suckers!

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46000 to spend on renting someone else's bed with God knows what in it and most probably not in a convienant location.

But well-done on winning maximum smug points as usual.

After a night on a campsite in Freiburg with sliding doors slamming all night, kids wailing, Swiss drunks hollering and a Brit to thick to understand the no barby pictogram Madame uttered "... 29e to spend the night in a refugee camp... " though on reflexion there are probably fewer anti-social drunks in refugee camps.

I recon folding and pop top caravans will become more popular. Massively cutting the wind resistance and help with the energy required to shift them, and it will just become less popular. TBH I am amazed at how popular caravans are, the number of people towing very new expensive caravan is staggering.

Hybrid vehicles will be around for a long time in bigger vehicles such as vans and lorries so I think camper vans will be based on these.

There will be electric tractors within 10 years, so I don't think pulling a caravan by an electrically powered car will be much of a problem.
Unfortunately.

a Brit [b]to[/b] thick to understand

Nothing worse than thick folk.

Where I live we are currently installing lots of Tesla Superchargers (tm)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Supercharger

Having ditched the idea of a T6 TSi Cali we have 46 000e (the difference between Zoé and a Cali) to spend on accommodation.

But the question was, can/will electric cars pull a caravan and what about motor homes, not, has anyone got a tiny electric golf cart they'd like to brag about.

I personally can't stand hotels and b&b's and like camping, I am actually interested in EV, just not yet.

/thread hijack

But on topic. What will the millions of people who live in terraced houses with no driveway donwhen we're driving electric vehicles!? Drape charging cables across the pavement!?

Sadly, yes, an EV will happily pull a plastic shed. There's lots of dull videos on YouTube of people doing exactly that.

What's more interesting is the prospect of EV campers as the mahoosive batteries are great for running ancillaries like a/c overnight. There's even a sub-culture within tesla owners who regularly camp out in their X or S.

I don't think Motorhomes will be a problem. The bigger the vehicle the easier it is to put a massive rack of batteries in it.

I suspect we'll see caravans with auxiliary power, ie motorised and controlled from the tow vehicle. That way it won't be a problem, and their bank of batteries will be useful when parked.

Whatever we're predicting though, we'll get it wrong.

Me, I want a big electric van. Be easy to tuck a sizeable generator under the floor for those times when you can't find a charging point. 🙂

The kingisdead makes a good point.

Although I think car sharing will become more popular for this reason and the large capital outlay for a given vehicle and the potential for large repair bills

Don't forget upscaling the vehicle to be bigger and simply adding more batteries isn't an ideal solution. As certainly in the UK we are weight limited by license and batteries are heavy. And also more batteries means longer charge time.

So I think hybrid is going to be king there for a while so we can all slam our sliding doors on campsites for a while yet 😉

This seems to solve the problem quite nicely...

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And if the Zoe's run out of puff towing in the above configuration you could always fit it to your bicycle
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"I don't think Motorhomes will be a problem. The bigger the vehicle the easier it is to put a massive rack of batteries in it."

Problem is the weight, most campers are very near the weight limit without a load of batteries inside too. There's a long way to go for EV's yet I think.

But the question was, can/will electric cars pull a caravan and what about motor homes, not, has anyone got a tiny electric golf cart they'd like to brag about.

iLOLed

What will the millions of people who live in terraced houses with no driveway donwhen we're driving electric vehicles!? Drape charging cables across the pavement!?

The proles won't be allowed to own cars, only those who can afford the designer hair shirts.

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Royal mail are trialing bigger electric vans ..... 100 mile range and very expensive .but good for pr

[url= http://inhabitat.com/meet-the-solar-powered-electric-motorhome-weve-all-been-waiting-for/ ]dethelieffs concept motorhome[/url]

Saw this earlier in the week. Not for the "can't drive " brigade as a minor prang could be costly as it's no longer even just fiber glass buy a solar panel too

Hate to think what it costs. But travels less than 100miles per charge when in camper guise

What will the millions of people who live in terraced houses with no driveway donwhen we're driving electric vehicles!? Drape charging cables across the pavement!?

Nissan say their new Leaf is good for a week of typical use between charges. So, people will simply charge them while they do their shopping or getting a coffee.

I want a big electric van.

As much as I hate the obnoxious diesel clatter of the plasterer's Transit, it does serve as an early warning that I'm about to be close-passed or left-hooked. The thought of these being almost silent fills me with dread.

So, people will simply charge them while they do their shopping or getting a coffee.

Yep that'll work nicely with generating the government some tax. Once we stop with IC engines

From that Deffletts link.

That short driving range won’t really matter, since the e.home has 334 square feet of thin-film solar panels on its exterior. The solar panels can generate up to 3,000 watts of electricity to power the 228-Ah sodium-nickel-chloride battery.

So it has about 4hp from the solar, how does that significantly add to the range?

yeah electric cars are crap at towing: http://www.teslaupdates.co/2016/05/model-x-p90d-towing-alpha-4c-beats.html

I can't wait to be fully electric, and self driving

I am sure the millions of charge points needed for the great British road network is just around the corner.Then they will need to figure out how to claw back all the free parking,congestion charges and lecky that is currently available. 😉

So it has about 4hp from the solar, how does that significantly add to the range?

You can tell that from those arbitrary numbers ? 3000watt at what voltage ..... 228ah at what voltage. Untill you know that those numbers are meaningless .

More so that it's very unlikely at all the solar panels in the van can be in use at the same time by design of a box 2 of the sides must be shaded at anyone time.

You can tell that from those arbitrary numbers ?

Yes.

1 hp = 746 watts.

So the equivalent of about 4hp absolute maximum from the panels and as point out, will be partly shaded at all times. So a lot less in reality.

Small folding caravans, with a layer of batteries underneath the floor to offset the extra load.

For camper vans, they are near their weight limit because they are built to the weight limit offered by chassis already designed for a different purpose.

Of all the engineering challenges facing green tech these are probably the easiest to solve.

People worry about charge infrastructure but there is already a network of cable trunking pretty much everywhere. The cable trunking for street lighting or phone lines has space for a cable for charging points. Charge points will join existing street furniture. Locally there are charge point being installed in most villages for people without off-road parking to use. The question is whether to install lots of slow charge points that people can park on as usual or a few fast chargers where you turn up like a filling station. Tesla have gone for the super-charger option but I'm not convinced it's the best option long term due to the pressure it would put on the grid at times of peak car use - the holiday season and weekends.

cable trunking ? is this inner city living again - none of that round here . phone lines laid in the ditch before being lifted to a pole to tee off to houses and the electric comes via overhead lines.

and thats not uncommon once you get out of major urban centres.

remember that fad for terribly inefficient charging pads for your phone a few years back - is that still a thing? could we scale that up to a parking space sized pad and wirelessly charge the car ?

A Tesla could easily tow a caravan, especially a Tesla X, which weighs three tons! Tesla are working towards 800km/full charge through improved battery chemistry and firmware updates, so while a Zöe or a Note may struggle with range and anything much bigger than a small trailer, large e-cars like a Tesla shouldn't have any issues, especially if they're the twin-motor 4x4 version; the single motor P85 saloon delivers 360-470hp, I think the dual-motor delivers the same HP, it's the combined torque that gives greater acceleration and pulling power.
https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/blog/tesla-all-wheel-drive-dual-motor-power-and-torque-specifications?redirect=no

which is all good but whats a tesla X GVW if its 3 tons before you load it. 5 adults and then a pint of milk ?

cable trunking ? is this inner city living again - none of that round here . phone lines laid in the ditch before being lifted to a pole to tee off to houses and the electric comes via overhead lines.

and thats not uncommon once you get out of major urban centres.

remember that fad for terribly inefficient charging pads for your phone a few years back - is that still a thing? could we scale that up to a parking space sized pad and wirelessly charge the car ?

I think youre looking for a problem that really doesnt exist, or if it does its a problem for a vanishingly small minority of people.

If you've got space to park a car on the street then there's probably space to stick a charging point in, even if that means digging a dtich to put the cable in.

And the smaller the village and the more remote it is, the more likely you are to have off road parking.

If anything, the more remote you are the bigger the incentive, petrol in remote areas is frequently 10p/l more than in cities, whereas the grid can deliver electricity at pretty much a flat rate anywhere in the country.

And back on topic, if you dont have a parking space you probably don't have a caravan.

What are vechles?

And traffic will be so bad that you have to book a trip or work from home.

Where is the Black Death when you need it?

And back on topic, if you dont have a parking space you probably don't have a caravan.

Not even in storage?

Steam would also be better for towing than IC, all that torque.

And of course, if you burn wood, pollution ceases to be an issue.
🙂

This might be of interest, a Tesla Model S that's already done 300,000 miles...
http://jalopnik.com/this-is-what-happens-when-you-put-300-000-miles-on-a-te-1798662230

The proles won't be allowed to own cars, only those who can afford the designer hair shirts.

As you're well aware flashy, there's quite a few expensive terraced houses all across the U.K. I'm pretty sure their owners will end up with an EV. 😉

I can quite easily see charging points built into lamp posts etc, I'd be concerned some oik will come along and unplug your vehicle during the night! 😆

I'd be concerned some oik will come along and unplug your vehicle during the night!

They lock so it's pretty difficult.

A vast amount of homes haver no possibility of charging outside their home. Round my way there is around 60 flats with on street parking for about 15 cars. This is replicated in much of scotlands cities

They lock so it's pretty difficult.

2nd and 3rd gens do.

i cant be alone in remembering the news stories when folk were fighting over the few availible electric charge points a few years ago unplugging them and moving them to their own cars.....

although nowadays when ever i go into town the charge points are empty - apart from the car share ones - go figure - maybe the range is so good that they dont need to or that all the locals have solar at home to charge them for free.

2nd and 3rd gens do.

I reckon that covers future models then especially by 2040. 🙄

i cant be alone in remembering the news stories when folk were fighting over the few availible electric charge points a few years ago unplugging them and moving them to their own cars.....

I can't recall but probably took no notice as it was probably a none news story as the reality would have been about 3 cases.

dunno reliability and battery life is so good according to the kool aid that these 1st gens will still be on the road then.

What are people so afraid of?

Technology marches on and none of the issues stated are hard to address with improved charging infrastructure or hot swappable batteries.

A vast amount of homes haver no possibility of charging outside their home. Round my way there is around 60 flats with on street parking for about 15 cars. This is replicated in much of scotlands cities

I'm not entirely sure what the problem is though?

There are presumably as many parking spaces are there are cars? Otherwise, where do they park? Presumably, the other 45 flats don't have cars?

Whether those cars have IC engines and have to drive off to find a petrol station or are electric and have a charging point in each parking space, the lack of parking isn't a new issue.

Not even in storage?

Yup, electric vehicles won't catch on because a minority of a minority insist on buying a £40,000 mobile fiberglass shed and keeping it miles away rather than a house with a driveway. Either that or it won't matter.

What are people so afraid of?

Change.

But the change will be night on transparent by the time they are 'forced' to adopt it.
Anyway, people aren't really that afraid of change, more of uncertainty.