I am becoming increasingly unnerved by the rumble of rhetoric about this possibility. If Israel attacks mutiple nuclear targets in Iran, what would be the likely outcome and could it prepicitate a world war?
*thinks about how in Threads everybody seemed to be ignoring the news reports and newspaper columns about iminent trouble*
"it's noisy out there tonight"
(fire engines and diggers being moved to shelters)
"It'lll just be't pubs kicking art."
Well, for a start, I'd hope that there target was Iran, not Iraq.
But, still, there would be a whole world (possibly quite literally) of hurt
Iran uses sleeper cells in the west for revenge attacks, and it's forces, not all of which will be destroyed in a first strike, destroy the Saudi oil terminal at Kharg Island, mine the Straits of Hormuz, force the oil price up to $300 per barrel, the stock market crashes and the western economies take another lurch down...
Sorry - obviously meant Iran! Derrr.
The US finally tell Israel it's on it's own? Though it won't have any effect on the back lash that would occur.
onhb - just one of the scenarios that are making my bottom squeak a bit.
It's the negative involvement of the former USSR that curdles my cream though.
'pre-emptive strike' is a pervasive bit of doublespeak, when people don't want to call it an attack or an act of aggression.
I expect the russians would be quite happy to see the west get mired in the mess of the west's making.
Depends how Syria plays out.
It would be classed as an act of war. A preemptive strike during a war is good tactics. Starting a war using such tactics condemns you as the aggressor and would ultimately be self defeating. I can see no justification for war between Iran and Israel. Rehetoric is just that not an excuse for war.
But Israel don't have nuclear weapons do they...
Starting a war using such tactics condemns you as the aggressor and would ultimately be self defeating. I can see no justification for war between Iran and Israel. Rehetoric is just that not an excuse for war.
Well Israel has already been murdering Iranian scientists, so I'm not sure they really GAF.
I think the only way the middle east will ever be sorted out is with an absolutely mahoosive nuclear handbags session. If we could be assured they'd only use them against each other, and leave the rest of us out of it, I'd happily give every country in the region a whole armoury of nukes, and let them get on with it. Do us all a favour
If Saudi pay them enough I'm sure Isreal would have first pop. Remember it's not just Isreal that has Iran as an enemy, there is a list and it's longer than you think.
[i]But Israel don't have nuclear weapons do they...[/i]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Israel
I assumed that was a joke aimed at the fact they neithe radit nor deny it but we all know they have them
Pre emptive means act of war in any other language and they are allready striking at the scientists
I doubt it would happen but it will require US of A to put them [Israel] on a leash --- will they not sure
Bit pointless as I assume chemicals woud be just as deadly tbh
...they (Israel?) are allready striking at the scientists...
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-16528087 ]this one?[/url]
i've got a fiver that says Iran did it.
although, the article talks of other attacks on scientists, i hadn't heard that before.
i shall do more digging...
yup mossad have been murdering iranian scientists for a while now
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jan/11/secret-war-iran-timeline-attacks?intcmp=239
some people like it
"On occasion, scientists working on the nuclear programme in Iran turn up dead," bragged the Republican nomination candidate Rick Santorum in October. "I think that's a wonderful thing, candidly." On the day of Roshan's death, Israel's military spokesman, Brigadier General Yoav Mordechai, announced on Facebook: "I don't know who settled the score with the Iranian scientist, but I certainly am not shedding a tear" – a sentiment echoed by the historian Michael Burleigh in the Daily Telegraph: "I shall not shed any tears whenever one of these scientists encounters the unforgiving men on motorbikes."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jan/16/iran-scientists-state-sponsored-murder
What do you mean, Iran did it? They killed their own scientist to blame it on Israel? Quite short-sighted it would be...
So Iran are both trying to build nukes and kiling the the very scientists they need to do this ...yes that does sound likely
That wiki entry kind of suggests that Israel have a complete brass neck deciding who has nuclear capability in the Middle East.
damp squib
I can't for the life of me figure out why Iran just sits there doing nothing whilst Israel tells the world on almost a daily basis that they will attack Iran.
Surely it would make more sense for Iran to carry out a preemptive against Israel rather than wait until Israel has attacked them and reduced their capacity to strike back ?
They certainly have overwhelming evidence that Israel is preparing to attack them.
I know that the Islamic Republic of Iran has never attacked anyone, but this passive acceptance of waiting until they are attacked before hitting back makes little sense from an Iranian point of view, I would have thought. Specially when the fact that they are going to be attacked is a more or less beyond doubt. It certainly did them no favours when Iraq with the encouragement of the US attacked them and invaded very deep into their territory.
They killed their own scientist to blame it on Israel? Quite short-sighted it would be...
Maybe he was a naughty scientist.
I can't for the life of me figure out why Iran just sits there doing nothing whilst Israel tells the world on almost a daily basis that they will attack Iran.
Isnt that why they would wish to have nukes? And if they happen to develop the ability to have them soon (presumably with the help of Russia/ China or am i being sceptical) i think they'd start getting alot more animated toward their nasty neighbour....
Keep watching
If the human population is going to be reduced massively ... yes, I am in ... nuke everyone to kingdom come ... 😈
So if war is the way to teach the human lesson so be it.
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Closed in 5 pages is my call.
I seem to remember a quote from a few years ago that Iran's nuclear capability would be revealed when the room temp in Tel Aviv went to 20'000c. So just for heating houses then....
I seem to remember a quote from a few years ago that Iran's nuclear capability would be revealed when the room temp in Tel Aviv went to 20'000c. So just for heating houses then....
I'd probably cancel my milk and stock up on beans.
I would probably stock up my zombie ammos ...
What binners said. Whilst the middle east is ran by religious nut jobs it will never be any use trying to talk peace. Let them sort it out amongst themselves.
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Bring out the holy hand grenades 😆
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FFS! You two above stop posting irrelevant pics ...
Say something useful like nuke here or there ... mankind the scum of the earth and lowest of the low. Except those who actually cultivate real love and kindness.
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C'mon Israel!!
Yunki,
Oooohhh ... what a lovely helpless sweet little maggot unlike mankind the SCUM!
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FFS! You two above stop posting irrelevant pics ...
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That wiki entry on missiles is interesting.
Where does Israel get all it's money from? USA or are they rich in minerals I'm unaware of?
I think some of you guys underestimate Israel and its power...
So if Israel attack Iran no doubt you'll all be "up in arms" about it and blurting off rubbish....what you going to say when the British army do the same or America..cos they will follow very shortly after...and if you think they wont you are well and truly wrong.
The world needs to wake up and see whats happening...and not believe the utter cr8p that the media wants you to believe...
*I wait for the slating !*
Indeed. The Israeli lobby is so strong in the US that no US president can afford to cross them
I think some of you guys underestimate Israel and its power...
Really ? Who's done that ?
Although surprisingly you are suggesting that they will need to rely on help from the US and the UK.
The world needs to wake up and see whats happening...and not believe the utter cr8p that the media wants you to believe...
I couldn't agree more.
Yes, what it will take is a massive amount of pressure from a US president that wants to go down in history. It is unlikey, but the only way I can see it being resolved without a rather ugly war.
A mate of mine always wanted a state funeral, think the only way he could get it would be to bring peace to the Middle East and bring thousands of years of conflict to end.
Israel needs no assitance and will take no instruction, when its percieved defence is at stake. It has "pre-emptively" attacked already, and will continue to do so.
Samson Option
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaThe original conception of the Samson Option was only as deterrence. According to United States journalist Seymour Hersh and Israeli historian Avner Cohen, Israeli leaders like David Ben-Gurion, Shimon Peres, Levi Eshkol and Moshe Dayan coined the phrase in the mid-1960s. They named it after the biblical figure Samson, who pushed apart the pillars of a Philistine temple, bringing down the roof and killing himself and thousands of Philistines who had captured him, mutilated him, and gathered to see him further humiliated in chains. They contrasted it with ancient siege of Masada where 936 Jewish Sicarii committed mass suicide rather than be defeated and enslaved by the Romans.[13]
Although nuclear weapons were viewed as the ultimate guarantor of Israeli security, as early as the 1960s the country avoided building its military around them, instead pursuing absolute conventional superiority so as to forestall a last resort nuclear engagement.[14]
Seymour Hersh writes that the "surprising victory of Menachem Begin's Likud Party in the May 1977 national elections...brought to power a government that was even more committed than Labor to the Samson Option and the necessity of an Israeli nuclear arsenal."[15]
Louis René Beres, a professor of Political Science at Purdue University, chaired Project Daniel, a group advising Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, argues in that paper and elsewhere that the effective deterrence of the Samson Option would be increased by ending the policy of nuclear ambiguity.[16] In a 2004 article he recommends Israel use the Samson Option threat to “support conventional preemptions” against enemy nuclear and non-nuclear assets because “without such weapons, Israel, having to rely entirely upon non-nuclear forces, might not be able to deter enemy retaliations for the Israeli preemptive strike.”[17] In 2002, the Los Angeles Times published an opinion piece by Louisiana State University professor David Perlmutter in which he wrote:
"Israel has been building nuclear weapons for 30 years. The Jews understand what passive and powerless acceptance of doom has meant for them in the past, and they have ensured against it. Masada was not an example to follow — it hurt the Romans not a whit, but Samson in Gaza? What would serve the Jew-hating world better in repayment for thousands of years of massacres but a Nuclear Winter. Or invite all those tut-tutting European statesmen and peace activists to join us in the ovens? For the first time in history, a people facing extermination while the world either cackles or looks away--unlike the Armenians, Tibetans, World War II European Jews or Rwandans--have the power to destroy the world. The ultimate justice?"[18]
In 2003, Martin van Creveld, a professor of military history at Israel’s Hebrew University, thought that the Al-Aqsa Intifada then in progress threatened Israel's existence.[19] Van Creveld was quoted in David Hirst's "The Gun and the Olive Branch" (2003) as saying:
[b]"We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan:[/b]
[b]'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.[20][/b]
Sounds a whole lot more dangerous than Iran loum. Thanks for that.
I think if a Republican President is elected then Israel will move towards overt action. They've obviously got form for it (Iraq early 80's) and have likely been behind several covert actions in the last couple of years. Doubt the US will sanction it though until they've pulled out of Afghanistan.
Can anyone predict when this is going to take place? I'm just across the water with a month left on my contract. Don't really want to lose my completion bonus, but I'm not overly keen on radiation poisoning either.