[Closed] If an auto parking car crashes, whose fault is it?

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T5? Lol, try a 7.1m caravan on the arse end of a Mondeo. When its a trailer you're dealing with THEN you have blind spots, anything else is just poor use of the available mirrors.

Oh the driving gods on this forum. 🙄

BMW's give you a warning on screen, that the system accepts no responsibility for any accident and it is the drivers responsibility.

Colleague at work has it on a VW and he never uses it.

Have you actually tried to parallel park a T5 without parking sensors?

Peugeot Expert every day, pretty much the same size. When needed I stick my head out of the, (electric!) window. Or just judge it from the car next to me. Or leave plenty of gap. Not ideal as I said, but definitely not essential.

Vans did exist before parking sensors were invented.

im all for van driving tests.... just like trailers and trucks.

so many folk driving them cant use mirrors properly and dont understand where and how big a vans blind spot can be.

Well at least I've kept you lot busy

Toyota were ahead of the game.

My 2006 Prius has automatic parking. However you have to operate the brake to slow the car as it moves, so it only steers for you. Therefore you're still driving it, so you're responsible. If you go too fast it cancels.

Problem is though 'too fast' is still slower than you'd park yourself, which is a shame as this renders it next to useless for me given that a) I can park normally quite well and b) it has a reversing camera with guides on it anyway, which is very useful.

I imagine it'd be a godsend if you were mobility impaired though.

Have it on my ford and it works very well. I never use it as I can drive. 😐

Oh, and on mine you are in control of the accelerator so that is the answer op.

I'd use the Toyota one if it let you go quicker. It can get itself into a smaller space than I can.

My favourite bit of driver assisting tech is the front side facing cameras on my FIL's Jag XE. When you are at a junction with sod all visibility, like the hedge bound ones around the quiet bit of Hampshire where he lives, the only way to be able to see if there is anything coming is to creep slowly out until you've essentially pulled into the road anyway. Cameras on the very front of the car mean you only have to poke the front 6 inches of the car out and can see perfectly.
Mind you, he managed to reverse his last car, an XF, into my wife's Focus despite all the fancy radar and cameras so it's probably best for him to let the car do that too...

If in doubt simply claim that the car was possessed by an evil spirit, like in that documentary by Stephen King.

Don't need parking sensors on the Land Rover. I have a tow bar 🙂

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No, not so much. Just bothered learning how to drive properly and not rely on bells and whistles that could fail at a moments notice. As said vans existed before all these things came about.

If you don't drive much, maybe because you commute on public transport and can ride from the door, then your parking skills can become rusty...

1. Your fault first - in driving seat and owner of the car etc.

2. Malfunction auto park - you sue the pants off those who sell the car to your - a dealer perhaps.

3. Then dealer who sold you the car sue the pants off who ever sold them the car ... the chain continues. 😯

That's what I was taught about law many years ago unless something has changed that should be the process.

Don't you lot have valets to park for you? Makes blame so much easier

[quote=villagekid ]We are so close to having fully autonomous vehicles, the technology is there(ish) but it raises so many issues from a legislative/morality point of view (the car has to swerve to avoid an accident but has to choose between smashing into a wall or the local Sunday School, Nuns and all etc) that it is going to be a long long time before we see it on the roads, especially mixed used roads (shared roads between autonomous and manual cars).

I'm not saying you're wrong, but that is quite clearly ridiculous. Because for every time it has to swerve into the nuns to avoid an wall there will be 100 times where it's not killed somebody by being a dozy idiot. The legislators demanding 100% safety rather than 99% safety (compared to the current 80% safety with humans in charge) have blood on their hands.

I'm not a driving god, and far from perfect, but reckon I concentrate more than most when driving. I'll welcome driverless cars not because I get to read a book instead of driving, but because when I'm cycling they won't endanger my life by passing too close.

If you don't drive much, maybe because you commute on public transport and can ride from the door, then your parking skills can become rusty...

I accept that, what I don't accept is that it's somehow the fault of the manufacturer that a panel van has crazy blind spots. If you're not capable of driving it safely then you shouldn't be relying on a fallible system to do it for you.

Besides, with rear windscreens akin to that of an AT-AT on most cars I'm surprised anyone has any trouble given the amount of side mirror use you need to get anything done (my Mondeo's is useful for checking there are no trees or teenagers behind and not much else).

Oh the driving gods on this forum.

dunno about that but if you fancy a laugh come along to my house and watch the parking ****tery on display every day, (few shops nearby so plenty of park(badly)/shop/go traffic) Lots of drivers are bloody awful at parking, and some obviously haven't tried parallel parking since their lessons, doesn't take much to make you think that you're own meagre skillz are actually pretty good compared to general public.

"Have you actually tried to parallel park a T5 without parking sensors? There is one and a half metre blind spot at the back of the van."

At the end of a lakes ride I was sent up the last hill to get my mates transit and drive it down to everybody else, no rear windows and never driven it before, still buzzing from adrenaline rush of the downhills and bloody knackered (it was a long ride and a big last hill) it was scary reversing out of the parking spot, got out and walked round the van twice during the manoeuvre, I'm sure it gets easier with practice.

(the car has to swerve to avoid an accident but has to choose between smashing into a wall or the local Sunday School, Nuns and all etc)

auto cars drive in such a way that they don't get into those situations in the first place, it's us humans who do that.

was scary reversing out of the parking spot, got out and walked round the van twice during the manoeuvre, I'm sure it gets easier with practice.

This is what I meant. I can actually get our van in extremely tight parking spaces (you need to in this city where people have to park literally bumper to bumper because of lack of space). You can't see the bonnet of the car behind when you are in the space which is where the parking sensors come in. I don't need to even turn my head round as I can do it all with the mirrors and sensor for the bits I can't see. Sure I could get out and look everytime to see how far back I can go but that would be a PITA and a deal breaker for a vehicle for me.