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... according to a Times journalist on twitter. He didn't like the financial constraints being but on him by the Treasury. This should cause a good STW debate!
EDIT: and didn't like that pensioners were being protected over young people and families.
IDS to UKIP FTW
Is that good or bad or just being dramatic? 😛
Most likely in protest that the cuts didn't go deep enough.
He is an odious little man
I don't believe it.
Looks like an evil garden gnome.
Good riddence and the swear filter would go mental if I used exactly what I thought of him
I'm struggling to believe he hasn't got some ulterior motive.
Leadership bid soon?
I think the correct phrase is a "Jeremy Hunt"
Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith resigns, citing concerns over changes to disability benefits
Just the rest of them to go.
Just the rest of them to go.
Yeah right, I can't believe IDS has any sliver of a concience, more likely he has something expensive lined up for an alternative career
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You have spelt 'cuts' wrong.
Maybe he wants to be untainted by this car-crash budget so he can return as a Tory leader contender?
at least we know how to celebrate
Holy crap. It looks like he has.
Wow. This could have some serious repercussions!
Good press release, but I still can't believe that he means a word of it, unprincipled little c***
Tories are being a more effective opposition to the government than the Labour Party at the moment.
Time to jump ship in preparation for the new king coz the current pro-EU PM and gang will soon go. 😛
wwaswas - Member
Tories are being a more effective opposition to the government than the Labour Party at the moment.
Labour Party is just taking the working class for a ride ... 😛
There are fireworks going off up the road. Coincidence? 😕
How have we ended up with politicians that even in resigning we don't believe their motives? Me included.
So he's resigned because he's not happy that they cut disability benefit. What a tory c**t.
Moment of clarity?
but yes, i suspect it's a strategic move to position for leadership - distance himself from another toxic policy that they may well be forced to u-turn on. pig facker has already said he's going within this term, Gideon will get shot down as his credibility is eroded by missing all economic targets he has set and, unlike the states, the uk wouldn't seriously considering electing a buffoon of a hair cut - mayors one thing, but really, running the country....
IDS leadership intentions ? Na, he's tried that if you remember.
It's OK he's been unemployed before,
I have been unemployed twice in my life so I have already done this (lived on the equivalent of £53 a week). I know what it is like to live on the breadline.
Of course he didn't mention that he was forced to slum it living on his father in law Baron Cottlesoes estate at the time
http://games.usvsth3m.com/iain-duncan-smiths-realistic-unemployment-simulator/
Skeletons about to come out of the closet?
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/ids-loses-legal-challenge-to-keep-universal-credit-101013025.html
from reading that statement it reads that he's bothered about the timing - that it was presented in the budget at the same time as the tax cuts, not that he was asked to make them in the first place... if you didn't like being asked you could have said no Ian, but you have neither balls nor brains so you went and did it, now you resign?
Rusty is right, there is probably something else going on, can't see it being a leadership bid of his own because he isn't that smart or connected? unless he's putting the boot into gideon to make sure his preferred rival has a better shot
Jesus, that's damaging words for the govt and lends credibility to all the criticism of this budget.
Trust me, this is going to be massive.
sofaboy73 - Member
... the uk wouldn't seriously considering electing a buffoon of a hair cut - mayors one thing, but really, running the country....
[b]As long as it is not Labour or pro-EU party[/b] coming back I am fine buffoon or not. 😛
Tory party too right wing for IDS?
IDS leadership intentions ? Na, he's tried that if you remember.
never under estimate the sense of over entitled self worth and delusional belief of his importance IDS has. it would be a tough sell, but i wouldn't put him past him 14 years on. he was thatchers eyre apparent after all and there's a lot of the torys that would like to continue the shirt to increasingly right wing - euro referendum and so on
either that, or as others have highlighted, possible scandal coming up??
i can't for one moment think, as the architect of welfare to work and universal credit, he would be having an attack of consciousness!
O.o
His statement reads like he's had an epiphany. Road to Damascus type of thing. However this is Iain Duncan-Sith. I sense a disturbance in the force...
It'll be so he can spend more time with his friends Michael, Boris and Nigel.
scotroutes - Member
Skeletons about to come out of the closet?
My mate was hired as an IT problem solver when IDS was trying to get universal credit back on track a few years after it was started
He said it was a disaster, the big IT companies had shafted then on the contracts and would never finish and the timetable set by IDS was completely impossible to meet, this was all passed back up and then completely ignored. Basically it was always going to be a costly distaster, especially for those most in need.
My mate left in frustration pretty sharpish, when he realised that no one would listen.
Now IDS has quit, I hope they stopped his payments from the government promptly.
I'm of the view that he should have gone down the glass of brandy and revolver route, instead of writing a letter. The selfish bastard.
I'm struggling to believe he hasn't got some ulterior motive.
Brexit
I'm of the view that he should have gone down the glass of brandy and revolver route, instead of writing a letter. The selfish bastard.
Along with the large proportion of the government....... we can dream
Conscience or a political move because of his stand on Brexit and dislike for Gideon?
Hmm, people with no collective memory of what IDS has been saying for years shouting 'I know **** all but will jump on any tory bashing bandwagon' in 'jumping on bandwagon' shocker!
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2014/01/the-return-of-compassionate-conservatism/
Has to be political, discredit the pro-EU tories, and position himself for the future.
open warfare within the party over Brexit, disability dissension and a majority of 12, though turkies don't usually vote for christmas it's interesting times ahead.
Hmm, people with no collective memory of what IDS has been saying for years shouting 'I know **** all but will jump on any tory bashing bandwagon' in 'jumping on bandwagon' shocker!
[url= http://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/one-in-five-benefit-related-deaths-involved-sanctions-admits-dwp/ ]Here's a reason why I'm glad to see IDS go.[/url]
compassionate Conservatism an oxymoron
Pigface - Membercompassionate Conservatism an oxymoron
This - 100%
If he was so concerned about the welfare state why did he let it get to this state, after all its not as if the previous cuts had any affect did they?
Is the quiet man turning ?
He's seen the polling figures showing Labour with a lead and reckons there's a better chance of leading those tories than the lot he's currently with.
Conservative Compassion - an American concept that has worked so well for American Conservativism..
To those who smell a rat, there's this comment on the story in the FT - which is referred to above as an interesting piece of background:
Of course nothing to do with the fact that just today IDS lost his legal battle to keep secret the true extent of the Universal Credit disaster... an 'on principle' resignation over disability benefits cuts? Really? Or an opportune opening for an 'honourable' exit ...with the added bonus of gratifying your Brexit 'out' campaign allies (and perhaps colleagues in a future Cabinet)?
I predict that come the next election we'll have two Conservative parties to vote for and two Labour parties... in the middle of a major crisis and our leaders are running around fighting like I've not seen since I was as school!
Tory cabinet minister in finding a conscience shocker? Or a transparent attempt to preserve his political career by causing the main protagonists of the pro-Europe campaign a problem in advance of the referendum? It's a no-brainer. I don't even know why people are discussing his intentions.
The cynic in me thinks IDS is resigning solely to damage Osbourne and the "In" campaign re Brexit. By kicking Osbourne and Cameron right now he's helping Brexit, a cause he is championing and nailing his colours to Boris' mast as he's next in line if they pull off Brexit.
I honestly don't believe IDS gives a toss about the disabled.
Osbourne looks fatally wounded after this budget and his miscalculation over tax credits last time. He's also 10% Remain so of it goes the other way he's deader than the DoDo
IDS is indeed aligning himself with the Brexit campaign which is looking increasingly strong. (Seems we sgree here @footflaps)
Has to be political, discredit the pro-EU tories, and position himself for the future.
I think the brexit brigade really are clutching at straws if they think Farage, Boris and now IDS is going to strengthen their cause.
footflaps - MemberI honestly don't believe IDS gives a toss about the disabled.
Yup. I'll be honest, I'm perfectly happy for him to be stabbing Osborne in the back, I can't think of anyone I'd rather see stabbed but it doesn't mean he's a good guy. This won't fix any of the lives he's worked tirelessly to ruin.
But still. Brexit is going to bring many opportunities to watch awful people fighting in a sack, I intend to enjoy it to the full.
There was a point when it looked like the Tory's would handle the whole referendum thing in a restrained and civilised manner, it seems not.
I'll bet Cameron is missing the days of having clegg as his human shield
El-bent - Member
Has to be political, discredit the pro-EU tories, and position himself for the future.
I think the brexit brigade really are clutching at straws if they think Farage, Boris and now IDS is going to strengthen their cause.
Wait until Turkey fully joins EU then you do not have to go far to sample the exotic far east tourism experience coz they will be right at your door step. Now you can feed as many of the poor people as you like. If I were from central Asia I would start investing in a Turkish passport now or buy one so when Turkey becomes EU ... half of central Asia is also EU ... Then all the mongols (these are the real ones) from central Asia can join too coz they are all related. 😆
Ya, Utopians are Utopians until reality set in but then they blame others except themselves.
Feed the worlddddd! 😆
Whether Britain stay or go ... EU is screwed! Sscreewwed! The new arrivals don't give two hoots about your culture so long as they can maintain theirs.
Atheism? Ya, right ... please build more places of worship and stop leaking hot air ...
Integration? Obvious is obvious, dumb is dumb.
How many weeks have Cameron and Osborne got left?
Is that the noise of Boris galloping to the rescue of the Tory party on his trusty charger Brexit? 🙂
😀 that's fantastic news, unfortunately there's still the rest of them 🙁
Maybe he's just taking some time out to get a proper, honestly earned education?.
Boris is starting to assemble the conspirators for the coup.
The cynic in me thinks IDS is resigning solely to damage Osbourne and the "In" campaign re Brexit. By kicking Osbourne and Cameron right now he's helping Brexit, a cause he is championing and nailing his colours to Boris' mast as he's next in line if they pull off Brexit.
I honestly don't believe IDS gives a toss about the disabled.
The words nail & head spring to mind.
Now IDS has quit, I hope they stopped his payments from the government promptly.
Nope, he gets a £17k payoff.
IDS resigns, shafts Osborne, boosts the Brexit campaign, UK leaves the EU, Cameron and Osborne resign, Boris becomes new PM, IDS is welcomed back as Chancellor or similar.
That's the plan I reckon.
He's left in the run-up to the referendum to be able to attack Cameron without the constraints of being in the Cabinet. It really is transparent ambition, and dressing it up as some kind of social conscience shows what an odious little shit he really is.
Like Boris, betting everything on Vote Leave.
Hmm, people with no collective memory of what IDS has been saying for years shouting 'I know **** all but will jump on any tory bashing bandwagon' in 'jumping on bandwagon' shocker!
Hmm - Tory ignoring what IDS has been DOING for years in "mounting knee-jerk defence of idealogue" shocker.
Either IDS is a malevolant, one dimensional pantomime villain or he's being painted that way by people who (like me) don't know enough about his policies or what was practical with the budget he had available to work with.
It's quite possible that the plans to slash disability benefits announced by Osborne were partly motivated by the desire to make IDS look even worse than before as he tries to implement them in the run-up to the EU poll. Either way, I doubt his resignation has much to do with principle.
Nah outofbreath, he just wasn't very good and thats pretty dangerous considering his position
Great summary here. (and reflects exactly what my friend saw several years ago at the top of the page)
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/welfare/2016/03/think-iain-duncan-smiths-resignation-masterstroke-sadly-hes-not-clever
This is the man who is the chief architect of the universal credit, which was supposed to have been rolled out in October 2013, and in March 2016 has been rolled out to the grand total of 141,100 people - and by "people", I mean "single men without dependents", the only group whose claims are simple enough to be processed on the universal credit.This is the Secretary of State who has wasted so much money on failed policies that the government is able to claim - entirely truthfully - that the money being spent on disabled people has gone up, even though not a single penny has gone to disabled people while countless billions have been lavished on IT systems that don't work and a benefit reform that will never be implemented.
You couldn't make it up. Oh, wait...
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Actually, meh.
well, TBH if IDS thinks the cuts are too harsh, it's probably a signal to the rest of them...
Good riddance; incompetent and out of touch. Maybe he'll retire to Glasgow?
This man has no principles, as I would understand them. Bencooper has it, though I sincerely hope it doesn't come to pass. At least he can devote more time to his substantive post as village idiot.
Regardless of Political ideology there is a truth in what he said.
That the working age (to this I'd add children) have been disproportionately impacted by cuts. This is a continuation of the previous governments attempt to gain the grey vote.
If cuts are necessary then the impact should be shared equally.
bencooper -IDS resigns, shafts Osborne, boosts the Brexit campaign, UK leaves the EU, Cameron and Osborne resign, Boris becomes new PM, IDS is welcomed back as Chancellor or similar.
That's the plan I reckon.
Sadly, I think you've nailed it, Ben.
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In his own mind, this is a seismic political move, akin to Geoffrey Howes resignation speech ultimately unseating Thatcher. In reality it's more Geoffrey from Rainbow having a spat with Zippy.
I've never seen such a more transparent piece of political manouvering. The fact that the man who brought us ATOS tests, and the Bedroom Tax is now using a new found concern for the disadvantaged as justification, makes the whole thing absolutely laughable!
Whatever the reason... good riddance! He's a vile, cruel and breathtakingly arrogant little man
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John Reid ?