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Agree re more watery solution on the flatbreads, think I messed up the quantities of flour on my current batch as they have come out like lorry tyres
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Having been eating the iDave way since March, I have suddenly started to have a bit of a problem with constipation. Anyone else?
Any solutions ?
I am eating flax seeds and keeping the vegetable quantities up but it doesn't seem to be sorting it out. Maybe my bean intake has dropped too much...
And yes, I am drinking lost of water
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Oddjob, same here. I did mention it on the original thread. I think you/I need to up the water in take. I just usually drink a litre of smoothy on my day off and have a kebab 🙂
after all these pages of idieting, there needs to be a "I'm funny about food" self help thread started
[i]after all these pages of idieting, there needs to be a "I'm funny about food" self help thread started
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Nah. People just want to forget what they use to eat.
Learn to like other things, cos they think its in there interest to do so, or not, as the case may be.
Then just get on with it.
The web is awash with suitable recipes, etc, etc and the rules is simple.
Low GI, and perhaps, make a point of eating lots of plants a animals.
There are loads of GI tables around so one can research if something is Low GI or not.
IIRC, TSY only started this thread cos he was bored and it was approaching lunchtime that particular day.
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Pretty much Solo. I do like talking about food and other random stuff.
Anyway.. I've upped my water intake, and now it's gone ballistic. I used to survive on a couple of coffees... now... I reckon I've drunk about 5 pints already!
[i]now... I reckon I've drunk about 5 pints already![/i]
Do what feels good and right dude.
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Off to be laughed at by more "Jamies" at circuits 🙁
You go get 'em tiger!
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Even when I try to reverse the Bristol expansion, I get laughed at.
*reports bullying*
[i]Off to be laughed at by more "Jamies" at circuits[/i]
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DD.
Come on, less of that.
Your fellow circuiteers are probably toting bellies too.
And at least by attending, you are allowing hope to prevail over experience.
And while theres hope....
I really like circuits and did a class at lunch.
Do you get partnered up with people at yours Darcy?
It just gets too much sometimes Solo. I'm only trying.
I don't really want to talk about it anymore TSY.
I thinkmi drink 3 or 4 litres per day and spend so much time peeing that it is hard to get any work done or manage the drive to or from wor without a pee break!
[i]so much time peeing that it is hard to get any work done or manage the drive to or from wor without a pee break[/i]
Nature's message is in there, somewhere.......
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As it is a day off and i've done 60 km after work i reckon it is time for fish and chips plus a protein-nequik milkshake nom, and indeed nom.
In other news (Darcy, you might want to stop reading here...), in the right light, and from the right angle, in the morning, before breakfast, if i squint and tilt my head i can make out some ab shaped things on my stomach. 🙂
That's awesome work CJ. Great stuff. Keep it up. 🙂
I heard an article on Radio5 last night.
Apparently, when blood glucose levels drop the brain loses its ability to exercise self-control and there is an increased tendency to stuff ones face with sugary and fatty foods. These then cause an insulin spike, which results in low glucose levels. Again. And again. This phenomenon, oddly enough, is observed most commonly in obese people.
Damn. If only we could find a way of eating which controlled all these pesky ups and downs and took away the cravings for calorie-rich binges.
I think I know of one BigJohn. I'll write about it and give it a snappy title.
I ate a couple of tiny biscuits late yesterday afternoon... they made me absolutely starving hungry!
Apparently, when blood glucose levels drop the brain loses its ability to exercise self-control and there is an increased tendency to stuff ones face with sugary and fatty foods.
I call these moments, days.
[i]Damn. If only we could find a way of eating which controlled all these pesky ups and downs and took away the cravings for calorie-rich binges[/i]
We have found a way. Its called [b]LOW GI[/b]
There just hasn't been as much sugar in our food, ever in the past, as there is today.
Historically, even fruit wasn't as sweet as it is these days.
But in the era of moderm agriculture, the development of fruit to grow ever sweeter produce has been done in the name of satisfying the inbuilt human desire for sugar / sweet things.
In the reading I have found, it is suspected that humans have developed a tendancy towards things that are sweet, as this can be used as an indicator as to whether a plant is safe to eat.
IIRC, if a plant is sweet tasting, its usually safe to eat.
So, today, we have this inbuilt [i]green light[/i] for sweet things.
Conjecture about the historical development of our digestive system aside.
Big Companies know that in order to sell shite, they need only make it sweet, yadda, yadda.
Well, thats my take on it.
I heard an article on Radio5 last night.Apparently, when blood glucose levels drop the brain loses its ability to exercise self-control and there is an increased tendency to stuff ones face with sugary and fatty foods. These then cause an insulin spike, which results in low glucose levels.
But if you avoid the sugary stuff altogether you wont have these highs and lows.
I like biscuits a lot, but I don't eat them anymore.
That makes me sad because I miss eating them, but thankfully I am not all that fat anymore and that appears to be enough motivation to carry on not eating them.
It took me a long time to work that out and (as I am not very clever).
Oddjob.
I know what you mean, but I just don't miss most of that sort of stuff anymore.
Can't remember the last time I had a biscuit.
I haven't had chocolate for months and don't miss that either.
Theres loads of stuff I use to eat.
But since I've cut them out.
These particular [i]foods[/i] aren't missed at all.
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I eat Green & Blacks chocolate every night. It's good.
I heard an article on Radio5 last night.
Quite possibly the worst publicly funded station there is. dreadful.
However, the sugar highs and lows thing is exactly what Low GI (and the idiet variation) is based on.
I do feel better for having kicked my sugar junkie status and moved to a Low GI/idiet regime. Last weekend was a blip, so I now have to work hard to get back on track.
I likes biscuits too and ate loads last night 🙂 I'm figuring that cycling 2,000m in a month = eating as many biscuits as I like 8)
TSY, something wrong with your phone?! 😡
Sorry DirtyG... I'm busy working! When are you off touring?
Have a guess how my tapering is going this week?
[i]I eat Green and Blacks chocolate every night. It's good.[/i]
Yes, then you go full out to [i]burn[/i] it off the next day.
Just seems crazy to me.
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LOL - No I eat it because I've gone full out that day!
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Work? What is this you speak of? 😉
We go on 2nd October *can't wait* I'm having issues with my new bike, it don't fit atm and i've been dreaming about bike/the huge to do list 🙁 Still waiting on the tent arriving and need to buy maps too....
As for the tapering, a hunch would suggest that you aren't? When do you go?
Solo, TSY could easily eat a huge bar of G&B everyday and still look buff. And he looked very lean during LeJog, despite eating numerous meat sarnies and a huge amount of cakes during the 2 days I was with him!
Dirty - thanks, I was a bit tubby during LEJOG, too many cakes me thinks. Into the 11 stone category as of this morning 🙂
What's up with the new bike?
I'm off on Saturday... have just agreed to do a quick 20 miler on Friday morning with the ironman trainee at work. I just can't do this rest lark.
I've got a blog post to publish tonight with my thoughts, but it feels like its all wheels. Its a little too big too, despite Mustard geeking out over stats/measurements. ATM if i sit on (my very expensive) saddle properly, i can't reach the shifters. If i reach the shifters, I'm perched on the nose of the saddle. Borrowing an inline seat post and shorter stem tonight, and hoping that fixes it. Plus the curve of the drops seemed to give me pain in my hand too. Not yet managed a proper ride on it as a result!
Heh, i knew it 🙂 I guess as long as you recover ok you'll be fine. All sorted for your nutrition for it?
New bike for a long trip sounds like a recipe for injury and problems if it doesn't fit.
Is there someone locally who can do a proper bike fit (Retül oe aquivalent) I found it to be money well spent even though it seemed like a crazy amount to spend at the time.
Was gonna make a chilli for tea, do I just not put tomato's in? Could I just use hot pepper sauce instead??
Tomatoes are ok. Same as peppers at any rate.
Thought tomatoes were banned Mols??
TSY, DGoaB.
I am amused by your blind addiction to chronic cardio.
There can be no way for you to tell what exactly the long term effects of what you are doing to yourselves wrt such high quantities of exercise, will be.
[i][b]I just can't do this rest lark[/b][/i]
You will do eventually, cos your body WILL have the last word on the matter.
This, I guarantee you.
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Tomatoes appear to have a low GI so are ok
[i]Thought tomatoes were banned Mols??[/i]
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I'm figuring that cycling 2,000m in a month....
Kudos for the mileage.
Last night I had mushroom omelette after bouncing around the park doing circuits. The instructor said he thought I was making a valiant effort but won't let me move up to the harder group.
I'm thinking the sautéed potatoes were a No-No though 😳
Tomatoes are ok... they pass the custard test. Nowadays I just eat the custard.
Solo - I don't get your point? But then I don't do a huge amount of cardio...
DirtyG - I thought your previous bike had been measured for you?
iDave is not just low GI, it's low insulinaemic. Fruit is low GI but generally out because of all the fructose which makes you produce insulin or something else bad.
Tomatoes though are in, maybe because they're not all that sweet? Or maybe the fructose degrades when cooking? Not sure.
Speaking of in and out, i looked up baked beans on the list published in that research paper i posted on another idave thread - the one which compared foods to white bread. The bread had an insulin index of 100 and baked beans are higher than that, so they should be out.
I think I read that paper, and it was a US one I believe. So god knows how much sugar and crud they put in their beans. They taste disgustingly sweet at any rate.
Most GI websites list them as low with a GI of 40 compared to glucose being 100.
http://www.carbs-information.com/glycemic-index/baked-beans-gi-value.htm
I keep meaning to email Heinz and ask them exactly how much sugar there is.
I've got a fridge pack of the reduced salt and sugar ones. They're grand.
Oh here's a lead from a body building site:
Baked beans may have a small effect on blood glucose [...], but the overcooked proteins have a big effect on blood insulin
From http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/are-baked-beans-low-gi-conflicting-data-m914893.aspx
Interesting.
Also this link http://www.mendosa.com/insulin_index.htm has a table which puts cheese as low insulin, SOME fruit as low and muesli as low, comparable with meats.. and pasta is also low..hmm..
Anyone got an iDave meal suggestion for tonight please?
I'm thinking steak and....
Burnt 1000 calories on the spin bike at lunch and all I can think about is food 🙁
Steak and butter beanz and mushroomz and chickpeaz and gram flour flatbredz.
steak and....STEAK !
@TSY
Fish finger sandwich.
No chips?
I'm also thinking slow rosasted lamb shank. Not that quick to make, but...
I have fish fingers Jamie... I could use steak as bread?
Steak and asparagus?
or a mixture of borlotti beans, red onions, stock, tinned toms and paprika?
or on a bed of quinoa?
I also have some burgers.
Fish fingers in burgers? It's like the ultimate surf & turf.
Now I'm worrying about my own bean stew.. they are well cooked beans just like the baked ones. I could be better off with pasta.
Are tinned beans out generally then? As in kidney, borlotti, black eyed, cannellini from tins? Just about to make a chilli 😕
Well I dunno. If they are then I am totally screwed. I think they are a staple according to iDave.. but I wonder if they get bad if you over-cook them.
Steak and roasted vegetables.
Carrots (blanch them first) onion, squash, peppers, courgettes, mushroom, fennel, tomatoes, etc. splosh of oil and balsamic. Yum.
I wouldn't worry about tinned beans too much (minus baked beans in sweetened sauce) as I get that 'still hungry but I know it is just cravings' feeling after a chilli full of beans (aka the iDave pangs).
From what I can tell, tinned beans are ok, but a little worse than dried beans you prepare and cook yourself. However, on all the insulin index pages I can find it lists cheese as really low and also pasta..... This could be an important discovery.
*grates cheese ready for the chilli*
*high fives Mol* 😀
Cheese schmeese, I'm making spag bol! With pasta!
Chilli here with Black Eyed Beans, Chickpeas, Haricot (not baked) Beans, Kidney Beans, and Borlotti Beans.
Died on my arse and am having it with brown rice 🙁
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Is Brown Rice out?
It's out isn't it!
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yep, get some quinoa in your life. It is like rice but on the allowed list. It's quicker to cook too.
I found some old Fox shorts from a couple of years ago that I've never worn.
I can now fit into them after following this type of diet for about a month!
Huzzah! 8)
Nice one on both counts (i'm a big fan of fox shorts)
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Cheese schmeese, I'm making spag bol! With pasta!
Isn't that the kind of thing you would eat pre-diet? The kind of stuff which got you to a place where you wanted to lose weight?
Don't be tempted by muesli either, it might be low on the list but you don't know what kind of muesli it was, but more important you'll add milk to it. Back on the path, don't waiver.
I like the chili without rice. Although rice is nice, I can manage fine without. A little more water and it's American style chilli soup and doesn't need rice 🙂
Jon, I ate a very large number of 'banned' things pre-diet, so attributing the extra kgs to spag bol is not really scientific. However doing a controlled study and measuring insulin in subjects is quite scientific, so I'd be inclined to pay more attention to those results 🙂
Not sure I'm willing to go for pasta, seems so counter-intuitive. But beans with pasta sauce is pretty rubbish.
Me no like soup in the evening. Anyway, I think brown rice has got to be better than white hasn't it?
No, it's the same.
Chilli soup by the way is slightly runny chilli not actual soup.
Good point about the milk on muesli. However when I was at my lowest weight in Germanland I was eating it in the mornings for commuting fuel and eating twixes frequently. So who knows!
I know what chilli soup is Mol!
Mol... The study might have been scientific, but the way we've each read it isn't - we don't know enough about the study or subject area to make informed analysis of its content. Reading a single article is useless, and more so when you're not an expert in the area.
The plan is working for you, right? Why change what you know is working? 🙂