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This should help you get back up to fighting weight.

I'm still at it. Started in March and have stuck to it (apart from a bad week off over easter)

Now 14kg down and feeling great. (I do need to buy a whole new wardrobe full of clothes though :-))

I am about 15% body fat now so I want to get rid of another 4kg ish so that I am 12% and then I have to figure out some sort of maintenance strategy. Probably just stick to the idiet and add a bit of fruit from time to time and relax some of the rules a little.

Any others?

Oh, I'm still eating fruit. I also eat muesli for breakfast as it's post exercise.

Are oatcakes in??

I have been iDieting for four months. I went on a two week all inclusive holiday in the middle, and managed to spike my weight up higher than where it was at the start. I am now down to my lowest after recovering from that. I have lost 7kg. 19kg since I started trying to loose weight but 7kg iDave attributed.

For lunch I have emergency tinned chickpeas and tuna (for when I don't have something left over from the night before).

Has anyone tried some sort of paleo dieting thing as a maintenance plan? It looks interesting, but I have a suspicion that there won't be enough carbs involved to manage training and racing.

I might start I think. I've read that you can eat as much as you want of the things that are on the list. I'm going to see how much weight I can put on.

don simon's suggestion is wrong on so many levels.

Chickpeas and tuna was yesterday, today is chickpeas and eggs (both with salad and seeds).

[i]Who is still doing this?[/i]

Did the iDave suggestions for a year, dropped a bit then levelled out.

Now doing something of a hybrid and weight is again shifting.

However. I am 6' 1", 32" waist and around 82Kg now, so not exactly a bloater.

[i]Has anyone tried some sort of [b]paleo[/b] dieting thing as a maintenance plan? It looks interesting, but I have a suspicion that there won't be enough carbs involved to manage [b]training and racing[/b][/i]

Paleo-ish is fine if you do the right stuff.

Its the activity which is questionable.

I am. Went from 98 to 80kg and can maintain that fine.

Eat what I like at weekends, I dave during the week.

I'm kind of back on the iWagon. Lost nearly a stone last year but put it all back on over the summer mainly through beer, pasties and not being arsed to eat properly.

I'm currently trying that quinonoiana stuff a bit. Tried to make chick pea patties last night but they fell apart, I need an iCookbook.

In what way is training and racing questionable? (other than the fact that I'm not very good, but you didn't know that when you posted 😀 )

[i] I need [s]an iCookbook[/s] practice[/i].

😉

Has anyone tried some sort of paleo dieting thing as a maintenance plan? It looks interesting, but I have a suspicion that there won't be enough carbs involved to manage training and racing

Well i was on the idave diet from January lthis year. I started training in December to start racing in April.

I got on fine with idave

where is this idiet. see people talking about it all the time, anyone have linkage?

[i]In what way is training and racing questionable? (other than the fact that I'm not very good, but you didn't know that when you posted[/i]

My point of view is starting to lean towards the possibility that we are not designed to endure prolonged periods of very high HR activity.
Its not what I believe we evolved to do.
This of course, wrt following a paleo style of outlook on diet and exercise.

Of course, man has noted that he can [i]push[/i] himself to [i]race[/i], etc.
But doing a thing, doesn't always make it right for your body, health, etc.

But taking a step back and viewing it from an alternative perspective.
I'm not convinced that Going Chronic Cardio is a good thing.

Not lecturing, just sharing my thoughts.
As infrequent and as simple as they are.
😀

I've been training and racing on it too - seems to work fine. I just guess that at some point I won't need to lose more weight and then what should I start to eat?

Can I just survive indefinately on the idave formula?

i'm pretty much 110% certain that you just up the red wine aspect of the iDiet oddjob. life gets instantly more enjoyable.

I'll need to join AA if I up it much more. I have replaced evening snacking with red wine consumption. I still stick to 2 glasses a night max, but the glasses are getting bigger and fuller 🙂

[i]Can I just survive indefinately on the idave formula?[/i]

That really is a loaded Q.

I've been delving more into the biological side of this whole shebang and as a consequence have made little tweaks to iDave's suggestion.

But on the whole, if its a choice between the high carb, refined carb diet that some follow, blindly or otherwise.
Or the iDave suggestion for eating and your diet.
iDave is still the way to go for sure.

Not like I'm qualified or owt.

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[i]i'm pretty much 110% certain that you just up the red wine aspect of the iDiet oddjob. life gets instantly more enjoyable.
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😀 😆

I am certainly not going back the old highly processed carbs (I have been researching as well :-)) but I was curios about how to adapt the diet to make it a bit more fun whilst maintaining all the good stuff.

Maybe I will just change saturday binges into weekend binges and spend the rest of the week recovering!

[i]I am certainly not going back the old highly processed carbs (I have been researching as well :-))[/i]
Good to know that. You're doing the right thing, imo.
😉

I've had to stand on the shoulders of some nice and generous people, in order to see as far or as little as I have.

Thanks to iDave and others for that.

I've also recently experienced some astonishing changes not weight related.

Other aspects where the body is now telling me I'm doing some good stuff for it, from a diet point of view.

iDave set me / us, on a path, but ultimately, while armed with iDave's advice.
We'll find our own detailed solutions.
Mostly.
🙂

Surprized to see that the [i]regulars[/i] or the OP have nothing to add...

I've had to experiment a little with supplements to avoid getting serious cramps in the night and I have to constantly remind myself to drink enough water. Otherwise it's all been good.

What other changes have you experienced (if it's not too personal)?

By regulars, don't you just mean TYS and Jamie winding up Mol? 🙂

TSY, 8lbs?! You'll waste away!

I started in April, just after racing season started, and that combined with the basis of the idiet has lost me pretty much two stone. I say the basis as I still eat fruit and have a pitta with my poached eggs. But as I say this is combined with a full racing season and training which obviously has a huge effect.

From 12st 4 as of this morning im 10st 6 with 9% body fat. Not looking forward to the end of hte racing season though...

oddjob, i find putting a 1.5ltr bottle of water in the fridge each night.. then when i wake up having a big ol' glug from it is a good way to start the day, then i always make sure the bottle is finished by 4:30pm. that way i know i'm drinking a good amount of water each day in addition to any other drinks i have over the 24hr period.

tescos - £2 for 6 bottles means you get mineral water and its not too pricey. (tastier than the milk coloured limescale fest that is tap water in Reading)

[i]What other changes have you experienced (if it's not too personal)?[/i]

I had a small patch of eczema.

Had it for around 20 years and just treated the symptons as directed by GP.

Then recently, by accident / bonus of making some changes.
The eczema is gone.

May not sound like a biggie to most folk, but I never liked using pharma.

For two decades, I didn't find out, and nobody told me that eczema, mine, was my body reacting to my diet or a constituent of it.
So I had been directed to just treat / manage the symptom.

But, there was a reason, it wasn't the mystery my GP seemed to think it was.

A pleasant bonus.

😉

[i]tescos - £2 for 6 bottles means you get mineral water and its not too pricey. (tastier than the milk coloured limescale fest that is tap water in Reading)
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Thats exactly what I do.
😀

I drink ½ litre before breakfast and about another 3 litres during the day! I seem to need a minimum of 2 litres to stay hydrated and I guess the extra doesn't hurt although I spend a lot of time walking to and from the toilet.

bigdawg - congrats on that weight loss, that is impressive!

I get far fewer spots, and I no longer have sneezing fits, unless I eat bread based products, so I guess something in the bread disagrees with me...

[i]I get far fewer spots, and I no longer have sneezing fits, unless I eat bread based products, [b]so I guess something in the bread disagrees with me...[/b][/i]

We have not, imo, evolved to eat and thrive on grains.

Our paleolithic ancestors didn't do so.

Do yourselves a favour and avoid them.

Eat lots of plants and animals.
Its what your body wants and what it has evolved to thrive on during the last couple of million years.
😉

and peanut M&Ms one day a week 🙂

[i]and peanut M n Ms one day a week[/i]

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EDIT:

I no longer do the [i]one day off[/i], a week.

However, I'm also not strictly iDave diet anymore.

im quite proud of it but doing two hour xc races virtually everyweekend (and turbo versions when not racing) combined with the diet is having a huge impact.

I actually started after seeing a picture of myself at the first race of the season and couldnt believe how fat I looked, and as im rding 20yr old hardtail ti frame really needed to do something before I had to replace the frame!

Couple of things Ive noticed though...
When racing I dont need as much drink or gels as I used to (500ml will now last me virtually the race - I used to take three of these, and maybe two or three gels as opposed to every 20 minutes)
The thought of cereals for breakfast is kind of offputting, just dont fancy them anymore
all my trousers, jeans & shorts look like Ive tied them up with string! Nothing fits me anymore and without a belt Im lucky if they dont just fall off.
Lycra shorts look baggy!

We are not, imo, evolved to eat and thrive on grains.

Our paleolithic ancestors didn't do so.

Do yourselves a favour and avoid them.

It's alright dear, I'm already idave positive, I've just noticed this on binge day, unfortunately I like bagels too much not to have them ever!

[i]It's alright dear, I'm already idave positive, I've just noticed this on binge day, unfortunately I like bagels too much not to have them ever!
[/i]

Cool. 😀

But if you ever get the time. Try really looking into what you are getting from grains.

Once I found out, then for me, there simply wasnt' any reason whatsoever to eat them.

That doesn't mean to say though that if I'm out to dinner, I won't break a little bread just to be sociable as much as anything.
But its not on the shopping list anymore.

I stuck with it for 2 or 3 weeks, and did start to lose weight, but eventually ran out of meal and snack ideas.Got sick of eggs for breaky, and I ran out of things to do with beans that didn't take hours to make.

Since iDave created the short guide to the diet, I wonder if those who have found it successful would mind creating their own more detailed versions of what has and hasn't worked for them. I think many of us would find that most useful.

I await the MTFU, it's-oh-so-easy, are-you-stooopid with patience 😉

its impossible to get bored with eggs for breakfast... just scramble them and coat it with a healthy dose of reggae reggae sauce.

I'm on it to a large extent. The results have surprised me in that I feel fitter and healthier than I've done for years. I'm still losing weight, slowly, which was always my plan.

If I eat pasta before a ride, that seems to give me a good energy boost, same with a cake or can of Sprite mid ride. But I find that I feel a bit not so good when I eat bread & stuff at the weekend.

Maybe I've always had a problem with certain foods, but have never been off them long enough before to see the difference.

It was fridge chow mein this lunchtime. Onion, mushrooms, 1 slice streaky bacon, chopped up, half a jar of anchovies that we opened a week ago, all fried up with a couple of eggs stirred in. Very yummy.

I got 2 big packs of beer-can, cut it into strips and cooked it, divides into portions , bagged in freezer. For brekkie I am having eggs and bacon or baked beans* and bacon.

* yes, proper Heinz ones.

[i]I await the MTFU, it's-oh-so-easy, are-you-stooopid with patience[/i]

Don't beat yourself up mate.

Adapt, improvise.

I don't do many pulses anymore.
As you point out, they can be time consuming unless you are using the tinned or tetra packed beans.

I keep more to the thought of [i]lots of plants and animals[/i].
Keep it varied, within reason.

Why not a kipper and some cherry toms for breakfast ?.

As iDave once posted.

Breakfast can be the food you'd eat at anytime of the day.
Doesn't have to be special food, just for breakfast.

Somedays I'm really too busy for breakfast and its just a good handful of walnut halves (but not too often).

Today, lunch was mackerel fillet, cherry toms and hummous.

Dinner will be an hour, 90 mins before the gym.
Spinach salad including a chopped basil, pepper and.....yeap, cherry toms. (did I mention I like cherry tomatoes....)
With wild alaskan salmon, dressed with olive oil and cyder vinegar dressing, pinch of salt and black pepper.

😉

I'm a late starter to the iDave diet having only discovered it last week, so first week on the diet.

The original poster asked for a lunch suggestion, I wandered over to Sainsburys metro and bought a tuna and bean salad which came with a pot of chilli sauce. Very tasty.

bigdawg - Member

Couple of things Ive noticed though...
When racing I dont need as much drink or gels as I used to (500ml will now last me virtually the race - I used to take three of these, and maybe two or three gels as opposed to every 20 minutes)

This is something that I've noticed as well. I've been on iDave fully for a couple of months and have lost just over a stone in that time. What's really striking is the extent to which what I need to eat before and after riding has decreased. From a couple of flapjacks before a ride and then every hour when I'm out, I'm now down to a handful of PowerBar energy shots each hour and have never felt like I'm lacking in fuel or energy. Given that I've been injured for much of this period and have only started to ride properly again in the past few weeks it's also amazing how much difference losing weight has made in terms of speed and efficiency. I'm not really any slower than I was than before my back blew up.

I had 10 days off it as a trial run and put on 6 pounds. I just had bread, potatoes and some cake. Didn't pig out.

But I don't care now as I'm back in Geneva, running and swimming tonight, the sun is out and the views are delicious.

Lots of paleo recipes here, which aren't too far off iDave territory.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-recipes/

I worked on nutrition with a guy who got a medal in a national TT last weekend - he got to his lightest weight and highest power after just 4 weeks, whilst still using sports carbs but in a more considered way. Increasing protein intake significantly was part of the plan. The rest is in a lead lined box.

Me and the missus started it at the beginning of July. Started off well but haven't stuck to it religiously. There have been a few weeks where I've had more than one day off, like if I've been away somewhere for a long weekend, which has happened a few times.

For the most part though, I've managed to stick to stick to the whole avoiding cereal-derived stuff, spuds, rice and dairy thing. Main meals are all iDave-compliant.

Chocolate and beer intakes have been creeping up to their previous levels in the last couple of weeks. Feeling a bit fed up and comfort eating/drinking. So need to try and curb that.

But me and the missus have both managed to lose about 10lbs and achieve a shift in our eating habits pretty successfully.

Think doing it in the summer is the easy bit. Can see it being harder to keep to it when the nights draw in and you want to get something down you that'll stick to your ribs.

As it's not a low fat diet why is winter an issue?

Big spicy stews?? Curries?? Steak and bottle of Amarone?

Three days in so far. I'm definitely not eating enough, as I get hungry in the afternoons.

But, I like the idea of it. and I do have two stone to shift, and a bad refined sugar habit to kick so I don't get diabetes.

[i]Three days in so far. I'm definitely not eating enough, as I get hungry in the afternoons.

But, I like the idea of it. and I do have two stone to shift, and a bad refined sugar habit to kick so I don't get diabetes.
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Stick with it. Reading our accounts here will hopefully inspire you to keep at it.
I also Find Mark's writing very motivational.

Then, if my experience is anything to go by, in several months time, the hunger between meals will go away.
This, for me was always the issue with trying to control body weight through my diet / eating habits.
Since going initial, low GI a la iDave, and now combining this with Paleoesque choices.
Hunger between meals is very uncommon for me now, and thus snacking just isn't wanted / needed / doesn't happen.

Its all good.

Thanks Dave.
😉

Hi folks 🙂

I lost 10kg up until the end of July - this was good. I wasn't 100% strict though. I was doing a fair bit of riding to get to work, and I didn't have a lot of energy for high intensity training to be honest. I introduced some carby snacks (usually in the form of a Twix from the vending machine) and the more I introduced the better I could ride, which actually made my weight go down.

I had basically a month off though whilst travelling back here, entertaining family and struggling with a new baby, put on 4kgs but I'm not worried cos I'm sure I'll lose it easily. This last two weeks has been tough though since I've been travelling all over for job interviews and it's hard to get iDave food at motorway service stations, and even harder to get your training in when you're utterly knackered from 5 hours of driving and a job interview on 4 hours of broken sleep...

I suspect my body's just terrible at burning fat, but I didn't seem to get much better at it when I was strictly dieting. I am eating many more beans though now, finding it fairly easy to cook very beany stuff now.

Btw I was thinking about the difference between glycaemic load and glycaemic index - some foods are high GI but if you only eat a small portion (ie one biscuit) the glycaemic load could be quite low still, so would not be too much of an issue possibly.

So by that logic having a 'healthy' bowl of pasta or a sandwich could actually be worse for your weight than a Twix. Although I dunno about the numbers, I could be wrong.

How do you manage to put on 4kg's? Surely you must be eating lots? Or eating unhealthy stuff? If you just eat a sensible amount of reasonably healthy food then I cant see how you can put the weight back on so easy.

David, putting on 4kgs was pigging out. It was a very stressful time for loads of reasons, so I just indulged. Lots of cake and coke, and no bike.

Shifted 2.5 of those kgs in a week though when only partially back on!

How can you guys be so specific about weight? I'll bounce between 68-70kgs depending on time of day, day of week etc, before stepping into the shower or having just stepped out of shower...

I used to be like that DS, but from when I started doing base training and then moved onto iDave, it doesn't vary much any more.

But my quoted weights are first thing in the morning post-piss pre-breakfast. And not including the morning after eating something very salty, cos that adds up to 1.5kg for a day or two, ime.

I went on it in the spring/early summer. Instantly felt amazing. Prob though was that as easy as I found it to follow the plan alcoho, boredom with the bikesl and an utter lack of motivation to excercise(case in point that I couldn't even remember my password to log on to comment) tended to nullify weight loss. Mid summer and a new business meant hi-stress and long hours and the whole thing slipped. Time to get back on the wagon for me, feeling awful.

I agree with an earlier post, an idave recipe thread would be good.

Shifted 2.5 of those kgs in a week though when only partially back on!

iDave FTW then!

I started on Monday. Intended to start a couple of weeks ago, but postponed it for various reasons out of my controll.
The one i'm trying is called slo-carb..looks like it's exactly the same thing as iDave, just different name.
I said on another thread ( couple of weeks ago) i would take some before and after pics, but decided against that. I took measurements and weight on monday morning as a reference.
Running out of ideas already for bean dishes, but so far so good. I have seen some reference about taking Potassium, Magnesium and Calcium supplements, as the diet means you loose excess water, along with electrolytes. Potassium solved by using Lo salt. Not sure if the recommendation for supps is just at the start, or throughout the diet?
Other half already fed up with my farting! paaaarrrp!

And not including the morning after eating something very salty, cos that adds up to 1.5kg for a day or two, ime

Salt has that much affect on your body weight?

I'm doing the fourhourbody/tim-ferriss diet, which I think is the same as iDave's.

Lost almost half a stone in 2 weeks, very easy diet to follow as well.

I do find I'm eating more meat mind, and this seems to be putting up the cost of my shopping a fair whack 🙂

you don't need to find 'bean dishes' as such, just replace rice/pasta/potato with beans of various types with various seasonings

I found that worked better with some foods than other though. Curries with chickpeas or dahl was obvious, chilli with beans also yummy, but spag bol with beans instead of pasta is a bit weird.

Salt has that much affect on your body weight?

Seems to, for me. No other way of gaining 1.5kg overnight without water retention. I used to buy these pasta ready meals which were just a normal portion of pasta, but for some reason I'd be heavier for a few days after eating one, when my weight had been pretty stable otherwise. Then I realised how salty they were.

Is Cider/Cidre in?

Bit sugary isn't it?

Bollocks 🙁

Dry cider then?

Bruised belly for me then.

Dunno, find out how much sugar is in it. Not sure why only red wine is on the list but I suspect that has something to do with it.

Ah well...you know how it gets when you begin to accept chubbiness...that's where I am. I can still do stuff. 😐

I've read sooo much about this diet that last time I was in tesco I shunned (yes shunned!!) the pasta.

I love pasta.... 😥

I love everything...too much, apparently 🙁

As long as you love baby jesus you'll be grand.

Is that Baby Cheeses you said? My ear's a bit waxy. 😕

yeah, mini baby belles, get them down you. and the mozzarella balls. you need fattening up.

Dave I emailed you, did you get it?

got it not read it yet, too busy lifestyle advising diarydarcy

doughydarcy?

Hehe ok just checking the spam situation.

I think spam is allowed on the diet though?

spam is shite

Just found this for recipies...including lunch..

ROBBWOLF.COM "http://robbwolf.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/The-Slow-Carb-Cookbook.pdf"

Hope the link works, as i'm crap on computers.