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Bit of a slow in wieght loss this week, 2.5 lbs, compared to 5 last week still half a stone in two weeks aint bad?
That's alarming, hugh! You must need a lot of new clothes? 🙂
No new clothes yet, the old tight ones fit better now though!
Hugh - I'm in a similar position - clothes that were really a little on the small side are now perfect! And I've dropped a hole or two on my belt!
nickb - were you carrying a bit of balast before?
*wonders if 71kg is attainable*
You need a bodyfat measurement, that's what you need.
I'm working on the 'how much can I pinch' and 'what belly looks like when I'm sat down'... I think I can get leaner
With my half a stone off i'm now 14st 4 lbs or 90.7kg (for any gay euro types) with 17.8% bodyfat, so a fair bit more to come hopefully?
Hugh... how are you getting your bodyfat %?
TSY - I was about 77-78kg (roughly 12st) - not hugely out of shape, but a definite belly and in need of dropping a few kilos.
I started doing a bit more exercise and generally eating better about 8 weeks ago - dropped to about 75 quite easily, but then stayed there.
Started the iDave regime about 3 weeks ago and now around 71kg, so all good. Aiming to get to 70 by the end of next week (roughly 11st) - so I'll have dropped a stone in about 2 months.
For me, that will be enough - I'll start eating cereal for breakfast again etc, but I have actually quite enjoyed the recent foods I've been eating - my chorizo, mushroom, tomato and spinach omelet was delicious! And the lentils/beans/stuff has been great.
Nick
nick, can i suggest when you reach target, keep the iBreakfast and change the other meals?
iDave - I really love my bowls of shredded wheat/muesli/fruit & fibre etc. I reckon I could do an iBreakfast 2-3 times a week, but probably cereal the other days.
Is it the cereal, or the milk that's the main issue? I understand milk causes spikes in insulin, so is there something else (other than water) that I could take with cereal to help, albeit recognising it's not part of the iDave plan?
Nick
TSY - sorry for the delay in replying been searching for Mummy Middleton porn!
I got a set of those Tanita scales a few years back when I was 17 st 7lbs and starting at wiegh****chers (yes really) and they have seemed reasonably accurate? (well the fat % dropped as I lost wieght)
I did get down to 13st 5 lbs, but even with doing Le-jog, Trans Wales, 300k Audax rides, 12hr Time Trials etc the wieght had sneaked back up to 14st 11, the iDave has made me realise that carbs are Satan spawn!
I'm working on the 'how much can I pinch' and 'what belly looks like when I'm sat down'... I think I can get leaner
You need to post some pics, even if it's just of your torso 🙂
Hugh - the scales are ok for seeing trends, but then so is a mirror. They are bobbins for actual measurements.
the iDave has made me realise that [b]white[/b] carbs are Satan spawn
FTFY. You need carbs.
Do I need to drop my 0% fat Actimel I take my supplements with in the morning (it's not a problem I will just not buy any more when I finish with what I've got), I am intending to start the iDave Monday coming. I've lost 13 kg the last 12 months but want to loose the last bit and I seem to have plateaued (86kg-88kg), this seems just the ticket. (I'm 5'10 1/2" sorry for metric/imperial mashing).
So, any news or evidence as to why we can forgo eating fruit? Any proof as to why eating 'extra' vegetables makes up for that?
Had a chat with a nutritionist coach (old friend) yesterday who pretty much knows her stuff and she categorically disagrees with avoiding fruit. To her it's about a sensible balance (diet and exercise) - and eating fruit only once a week is just plain bad.
EDIT: I've used Dave's diet from time to time since he first mentioned it last year, so I have no issue with the bulk of what's happening. It just seems weird that people have a go at things like the High Protein/Low Carb diet because it says "avoid fruit" yet people here seem to be bowing down ...
How much fruit did we used to eat out of season before we had it flown in from Kenya, or in cold storage etc?
IMO your friend is sincerely wrong.
And what exactly is a 'nutritionist coach'?
EDIT - this [b]isn't[/b] low carb though, maybe that's why there is so much bowing down - usually from people who have had success with it.
IF you want an effective way of losing weight then just do this diet, its been explained why you shouldnt eat fruit.
Fruit is good for you since it contains nutrients and tastes nice, but it probably doesnt help with weight loss. I dont really care so I eat as much fruit as I want.
How much fruit did we used to eat out of season before we had it flown in from Kenya, or in cold storage etc?
None, but we used to eat loads during summer. And we used to have an average lifespan of about 35 years, partly down to diet? It would be interesting to compare that with people from climates with more regular fruit etc from many a moon ago.
How long does this diet take to take effect? I've been on it for 2 weeks now and seen an increase in weight of 2 lbs? Though I do admit I had have had a sneaky glass of milk once.
'average' lifespans were skewed by infant mortality. people didn't just croak at 35 if they survived childhood.
To her it's about a sensible balance (diet and exercise)
Eating healthily and not being fat is indeed about balance and exercise.
I'm not on this diet because I was a bloated couch potato. I'm on it because I needed to shift a few stubborn kg to become more competitive on a bike. I have learned that what I was eating although ostensibly healthy, was creating conditions within body that were not conducive to shifting those last few kg. And I was already an athlete (of sorts) and hence doing as much exercise as I could fit into my life.
I suspect your nutritionist friend is not coming from the same angle as a specialist cycling coach.
I've been on it for 2 weeks now and seen an increase in weight of 2 lbs?
something's up there. I lost 4lbs or so in the first week, and most people lose much more. Post a list of what you've eaten perhaps?
specialist cycling coach
This is nothing to do with cycling though. My work isn't just with cyclists. It's about a way of eating that leads to fat loss and then self-regulation of ideal body composition.
I just have never heard the term 'nutrition coach'. Is she a nutritionalist, dietitian???
Also davidtayforth makes more sense about diet and fitness than most on here. Consistently. My guess is he's as active as **** and lean as a butchers knife, and for him eating fruit is not going to pile pounds on. But as he said, if you're aiming to shift fat, it doesn't help at all.
How much fruit did we used to eat out of season before we had it flown in from Kenya, or in cold storage etc?
Not exactly scientific or proof of any kind. Plus I've yet to find anything on the interweb that substantiates why it's pointless/unnecessary for us to eat fruit. Sure, there may be a load of spin out there - in which case, where's the evidence to prove otherwise?
IMO your friend is sincerely wrong
That's your opinion. She's always been a very fit, healthy person (now late 30s). Eats, drinks and exercises sensibly. Would piss on many people here when it comes to running, rock climbing and gym stuff.
IF you want an effective way of losing weight then just do this diet, its been explained why you shouldnt eat fruit.
My understanding (maybe I'm wrong) is that this is not a 'quick fix' diet, but a long-term change of eating habits. Ergo, fruit only once per week ...
I suspect your nutritionist friend is not coming from the same angle as a specialist cycling coach.
True, she's not a cyclist (not a keen one anyway). But she's in bloody good shape and looks after herself.
IMO some people's bodies just behave differently. I know people who can eat/drink and do what they want, yet they still keep in shape with minimal training etc. And I know other people who put on the pounds and/or can't even run a mile without blowing, and that's when they're being sensible with their intake and doing some gym work etc.
I can see opportunities here.
Hey Dave,
Back on topic... did you see my post re breakfasts post target? Is it the cereal, or the milk that's the main issue? I understand milk causes spikes in insulin, so is there something else (other than water) that I could take with cereal to help, albeit recognising it's not part of the iDave plan?
Cheers,
Nick
Also davidtayforth makes more sense about diet and fitness than most on here. Consistently. My guess is he's as active as **** and lean as a butchers knife, and for him eating fruit is not going to pile pounds on. But as he said, if you're aiming to shift fat, it doesn't help at all.
I try my best!
I do do a fair bit of cycling (112miles to do on sunday for example) and I dont need to lose weight so I can eat fruit and cereal and all that as I guess it all just gets burnt off during the exercise. Butterbean mash is a now a staple part of my diet though!
My understanding (maybe I'm wrong) is that this is not a 'quick fix' diet, but a long-term change of eating habits. Ergo, fruit only once per week ...
If you want it to be then yeh. If you dont eat fruit I cant see why it would be a bad thing, what about eskimo's/inuit's? I wonder how much fresh fruit and veg they eat?
something's up there. I lost 4lbs or so in the first week, and most people lose much more. Post a list of what you've eaten perhaps?
I don't have one to be honest, I just didn't re-stock on anything that wasn't allowed and have since toddled along just eating whatever came to hand in the house that was then, by definition, meant to be OK. Maybe I over-did the "eat what you like" days.
'average' lifespans were skewed by infant mortality. people didn't just croak at 35 if they survived childhood.
Very true, modal lifespan would have made a better measure.
So on Monday, I'm going back on this after having April off. My weight is 145kg. So we shall see how it goes.
Plus I've yet to find anything on the interweb that substantiates why it's pointless/unnecessary for us to eat fruit
Have you found anything that says it's essential?
Your friend sounds great. There are lots of healthy fit people who eat fruit. Fruit is good for you.
None of this is the issue though. As you admitted yourself it's perfectly possible for someone to eat well and exercise lots and still be a bit heavier than they would like. Which is why I am on iDave. I did the suggested reading and understand a little bit more about what's going on inside my body and how to manage that the way I want.
Is peanut butter allowed?
DD - only if it has no sugar I suppose.
Started on Monday, today is my cheat day 😀 and already 1.5kg off. I'm chuffed to bits as no exercise either due to injury.
DD - yeah it's allowed and as for Almond butter... hmmmmm
MO some people's bodies just behave differently. I know people who can eat/drink and do what they want, yet they still keep in shape with minimal training etc. And I know other people who put on the pounds and/or can't even run a mile without blowing, and that's when they're being sensible with their intake and doing some gym work etc.
I think you are right, the people who this diet will aid in weight loss are the biffers that normal "healthy" diets don't seem to work for
as one of those biffers it seems to work for me
if you are already lean and healthy you don't need to do it
I think that really it answers the question of WHY biffers or semi-biffers find it hard to lose weight despite exercise. I never heard the question of insulin discussed in any of the healthy eating stuff. In fact, the traditional advice was to eat plenty of carbs for doing sports. Including advice I was paying a cycling coach for too 🙁
Almond butter... hmmmmm
😯
I gots to know - where from ?
Big day tomorrow. If no difference on the weigh in, that'll be a month with no weight change after 7 pounds in the first two weeks.
I'm looking to see if I can break 85kg by the end of the weekend. If not, I'm going to be really strict next week. If THAT doesn't work, it's back to the drawing board.
Don't be strict, be relaxed, take it as it comes - softly softly catchy monkey.
Fruit is good for you. Why? Because it has good things in it. These good things aren't exclusive to fruit. So if you exclude fruit, but eat other things with the good stuff, but which doesn't cause an insulin spike, then there is no harm done. As has been said previously, eat lots of veg, because they have lots of good stuff in them too. Hopefully this is all the scientific double blind tested evidence required by anybody. 😉
Had a dal curry tonight with green lentils and turkey breasts, was very nice indeed. Also made some chickpea (gram) flour flatbreads to go with, really nice meal altogether, didn't feel diet like at all.
For those interested:
[url= http://www.dietfreedom.co.uk/recipes/gram-flour-flatbreads ]Flatbread Recipe[/url]
[url= http://maninas.wordpress.com/2009/03/14/punjabi-green-lentil-dhal-incredibly-easy-and-incredibly-tasty/ ]Green Lentil Dal Recipe[/url]
how much of the flat bread can you have? thinking a couple of them with scrambled eggs would be a great breckie
Just chickpea flour and water and salt, so I don't think there is a restriction on it. Willing to be corrected though. You end up making a batter, so they turn out like pancakes, but without the egg they're a bit drier and more 'floury'. Still nice, and with eggs would be good. Apparently they keep in the fridge for a day or two also.
Don't be strict, be relaxed, take it as it comes - softly softly catchy monkey.
That's what I've been doing so far in fact.. feeling good lately. Only a bit knackered on today's commute.
Also made some chickpea (gram) flour flatbreads
I made chickpea pancakes when I got in from work, they're kickin' .......
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/chickpeaflourpancake_5094 ]Chickpea Flour Pancakes[/url]
I had rabbit & lentil stew with parsnip chips, asparagus & broccolli for my main course though 🙂
I'm going to cannibalise this recipe to make gram flour (cheeseless) pizza & garlic bread tomorrow....
[url= http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:JR6kraRDu2EJ:www.slimtone.com.au/pdf/print_%2520friendly_pages/recipes_socca_bread.pdf+gram+flour+bread&hl=en&gl=uk&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjRZXuN0tlGFiv6g9y8Etx595OA4EsiFwGHa0iSUjjmcEWvi6o6d2D7Na4hwpGRjW8ddSJU2sCpGWR3UiVSGO99QNEq0oIOzrvh-SmS4ElWbgzCDqNodCwxyHAKWvFS6oeg0DYn&sig=AHIEtbTkrWrSyWmi_iJqdzw8jE1WsbG5Hg ]Chickpea Flour Recipe With Pizza Potential[/url]
This one looks good also. Might do it midweek...
[url= http://www.justhungry.com/zucchini-and-chickpea-pancakes ]Courgette Chickpea Pancakes[/url]