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We agree that a sample size of Tim Noakes also tells us nothing then
Not really. It suggests a good way of solving a problem that many of us face.
You have never faced that problem, so your experience is not helping us solve it.
It's like having Prince William telling us about how to make ends meet.
Why dig into glycogen reserves when your stomach could be proving the blood sugar?
Cos apparently it stops your body using fat, which would be advantageous for many reasons I suppose during a long event.
Edukator - please stop with your distracting trolling. We still haven't sorted this out...
Pre-workout - coke...
Cos apparently it stops your body using fat
Yeti, I won't have pre-workout cokes any more...
Good boy. Have a biscuit. Oh.
What the hell are we going to talk about today then?
On the subject of coke, I would have thought the caffeine content acting as a diuretic could be an issue?
caffeine is good for stimulating fat burning and electrolytes shut down urine output
electrolytes shut down urine output
I'm guessing these aren't present in coke?
I'm guessing these aren't present in coke?
...like HCFS and salt? 😈
Edit: [url= http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/sports-nutrition-is-coca-cola-an-effective-sports-drink-713 ]Relevant[/url].
[i]On the subject of coke, I would have thought the caffeine content acting as a diuretic could be an issue? [/i]
What would concern me would be the salt content.
Were I to drink Coke.
Fortunately for me, I never really took to fizz.
It never seemed to have a thist quenching effect on me, ??.
I've been reading, catching up, and I'm not surprized at how the thread has progressed since a certain contributor, decided to contribute.
A few observations.
Some folk seem to be suffering with " chronic cardio "
Grain derived products such as bread and cake may taste good.
But how much real nutrition does a person receive, from eating grains.
Molgrips.
If you really do stop taking pre-exercise carbs.
I'd be interested to see how that works out for you.
I've been reading, catching up, and I'm not surprized at how the thread has progressed since a certain contributor, decided to contribute.A few observations.
Some folk seem to be suffering with " chronic cardio "
One of them's got to be me 🙂
What would concern me would be the salt content.
😐
Some folk seem to be suffering with " chronic cardio "
TSY!
Im sooo glad I have a busy day today... folks, have fun chewing the fat 😛
Kev
chewing the fat
Brilliant!
Jamie - I don't actually do that much cardio. 😐
[i]One of them's got to be me[/i]
I wasn't thinking of you TSY.
In my universe, you are [i]special[/i]
As is Jamie.
😉
Kev.
Don't fear the fat.
Fat is, [i]in ![/i]
That's just the sort of thing someone who does too much Cardio WOULD SAY!
Oh shit, I'm trapped in my own addiction.
I'm going to go for a run to reflect on these accusations.
[i]accusation[s]s[/s][/i]
I'm not accussing you of being CC, TSY.
🙂
One of them's got to be me 🙂
None of them will be me 🙂
/Looks up what Chronic cardio actually is
Symptoms include -
“exercise induced castration”
😯
I'm not accussing you of being CC, TSY
Call me paranoid, but... 😛
I sometimes find that I have to train simply because I have accidentally eaten a load of carbs after dinner.
Does that mean that I can't ride them off with an interval session and the only options are sloth or suicide?
Ok then.
Questions.
What level and duration of exercise, running and cycling, does one have to do before allowing simple carbs post and pre?
For example. I go for a 40m ride @ 18mph. Does this warrant anything extra afterwards?
..or, I run 10m at a pace of 7:30....does this warrant anything post workout? If so, what?
What level and duration of exercise, running and cycling, does one have to do before allowing simple carbs post and pre?
Isn't this is the diet sheet?
I need a copy of the latest one actually as I was singing it's praises to some ladies last night.
Isn't this is the diet sheet?
I am going....* insert clap of thunder*...OFF-SHEET!
Whilst I think the iDave diet makes a lot of sense (and need to get back on it :p ) I am a bit surprised about waiting 90 minutes into an event before you start taking on carbs but I guess it depends whether the goal was to perform to the best of your ability or to treat it as a training event and try and maximise fat burn/calorie loss. If the former I'd have to agree with Edukator that 90 mins is too long if you're exercising at a reasonable intensity - you're going to be exhausting your glycogen stores at that point and given the delay of digesting/processing carbs + it's hard to take on 90g an hour anyway and you're constantly playing catch-up. Surely it makes more sense to start taking on the carbs after 60 minutes so you're remaining glycogen provides a buffer whilst you process the new carbs?
Or is the point that you are extending your stores beyond 90 minutes by converting stored fat via gluconeogenesis from the start in which case that's interesting although still not sure I'd want to wait 90 minutes...
..or, I run 10m at a pace of 7:30....does this warrant anything post workout? If so, what?
Thanking God for the Miracle in my case 😀
For those still eating the slow carb way here is a a recipe for home made chorizo I have been using, really good for quick snacks, breakfast etc
http://www.rivercottage.net/recipes/tupperware
Duh duh duhhhrrr!
You're a maniac!
Thanking God for the Miracle in my case
Quiet you! I know you are are quick, and barefoot? So stop self deprecating 8)
What level and duration of exercise, running and cycling, does one have to do before allowing simple carbs post and pre?
You've now got me thinking about the pros and cons of a pre-ride Coke.
What do you guys think?
I haven't read the last few posts, its got very busy here for a moment.
Jamie, you're pre-fueled already, for around 90 mins activity.
Check Football, Rugby, etc, etc.
Games that run for about as long as you can, on what you've got stored.
Longer activities will therefore, require alternative fueling, hence the uptake of simple carbs, someway into the a activity and not instantly, as soon as you set off at the begining.
imo.
Simple carbs being?
The consensus, if we ignore Edukator, seems to be that eating low carb during training phases and high carb before (but not immediately before) and during events is the way to make most progress.
Lots of better authorities and athletes than I are intentionally training in glycogen depleted states.
As far as my sportive goes I did OK, probably better than most of the carb monsters. The intensity that you can use fat as fuel can be improved with the right training and nutrition.
As far as coke goes, it's got a role after an open water swim. Other than that, no thanks.
*Serious mode*
I can understand why if you were training for the olympics or whatever or you were a coach trying to sell your services and needed a "sales pitch" (can you tell I've been in an office too long) why you'd want to follow a strict diet, but mostly I eat what I want, rice bread fruit pizza ice cream...when I run/train, I just try to run faster than I did last time, and sometimes I get a faster time, sometimes I match my last time. Then sometimes I go running/riding just for fun and do what I want.
Chronic cardio sounds like a way to scare people into buying a different lifestyle book/DVD/course at the gym to me...
Or is the point that you are extending your stores beyond 90 minutes by converting stored fat via gluconeogenesis from the start in which case that's interesting although still not sure I'd want to wait 90 minutes...
When Dave mentioned it earlier, I had a quick google and found this-
[url] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9232556 [/url]
Based on the above information, the advantage of adding electrolytes to drinks consumed during exercise is
probably not as great as their manufacturers would have us believe. There is little doubt that some form of
carbohydrate (other than fructose) should be ingested
during prolonged ( > 90 min), moderate-intensity exercise because, under these circumstances, liver glycogen
depletion and hypoglycaemia can limit endurance
(Coyle et al., 1983). Whether an athlete should ingest a
large amount of carbohydrate at the onset of exercise,
however, is open to question. As only ~ 20 g of ingested
carbohydrate is utilized in the ®rst hour of exercise
(Hawley et al., 1992a), drinking more than that amount
of carbohydrate may increase the reliance on muscle
glycogen oxidation by attenuating the fall in insulin
concentration and thereby delaying fat mobilization
(Hawley et al., 1994b), especially in relatively low (55%
VÇ O2 peak) intensity exercise (Rauch et al., 1995). Athletes should therefore probably consume 100 ml every
10 min of a dilute (3-5 g 100 ml-1
) carbohydrate solution for the ®rst 60-75 min of exercise and then
increase the ingested carbohydrate concentration to
~ 10 g 100 ml-1 to match the peak ( ~ 1 g min-1) rates
of plasma glucose oxidation (Hawley et al., 1992a).
As far as my sportive goes I did OK
In a field of 1000 you did better than OK... especially as you weren't drafting.
I ate a load of mini-eggs on the way there... I'm not going to do that again. 3 hours of cramp is a right ******* to deal with!
Emsz...
or not eat at all?but mostly I eat what I want,
😳 Got me,
I wonder how many here are also "punishing themselves" 'cos this thread could do with a bit of honesty about peoples motivations...
@ Jamie, try this link..
http://www.channel4.com/4food/recipes/chefs/hugh-fearnley-whittingstall/tupperware-mexican-chorizo-recipe
"punishing themselves"
Not at all +1 for what iDave is about to say...
Would be happy to talk with you about it... I'm all for helping people who do this.
Don't listen to Emsz. She eats like a weirdo.
Jamie - are you going to play bad cop then?
*Serious mode*
I don't feel like I follow a 'strict' diet, and I certainly don't follow a 'strict' training regime. Although I almost do at the moment for the triathlon in May. I still had a few biscuits last night, I eat pie and custard sometimes.
As for motivation, I just love a challenge and enjoy the training. I dislike being fat too, and yes, I have been a biffer in the past. If I have found a way not to be fat, to eat a lot of very nice food, drink a lot of wine, and train hard then happy days.
Yeti,
I think I'm at least honest enough with myself to understand why I do the things I do, I'm aware of the pressure on me to look a certain way, I think most girls are. I see the same thing happening to young men now, Chris has a bathroom routine that matches mine and having seen his mates and other male friends he's not alone, and the pressure is on to look a certain way, I just wonder how much of the "training" is in fact a bloke version of dieting and make up.
I just wonder how much of the "training" is in fact a bloke version of dieting and make up.
I do it because I love it. If I didn't. I'd stop.
Jamie - are you going to play bad cop then?
Wait...what? There's a good cop?
Cheers guy, that works now.