Has anyone owned up to the controlled demolition of the twin towers yet or are we still supposed to believe the collapse was caused due to the planes hitting them?
At this rate, STW is going to be assigned its own Community Mental Health Team.
It is highly unlikely that anyone (credible) will ever own up to a controlled demolition.
Has anyone owned up to the controlled demolition of the twin towers yet or are we still supposed to believe the collapse was caused due to the planes hitting them?
You're taking the pi$$, yes?
Yes you're right how stupid of me to expect anyone to own up to it!
How the majority of the world still believes it was an act of terrorism on the part of Bin Laden is a joke..... an act of terrorism indeed, by America, masters of the art
Conspiracy madness. All you need to do is review the verdict of the criminal investigation to see what actually happened.
You're in good company. Former MI6 whistleblower and messiah, David Shayler, reckons the WTC attacks were a conspiracy too.
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You've got to call him Delores nowadays though.
There's quite a few credible sources that believe in the controlled demolition theory, the original architect for one and a lot of members of the American institue of structural engineers.
Has anyone owned up to the controlled demolition of the twin towers yet or are we still supposed to believe the collapse was caused due to the planes hitting them?
John Kerry has admitted it, in terms of WTC 7
Around the 2:40 mark.
watched a load of 9/11 conspiracy theory stuff on youtube last week (out of boredom rather than genuine interest) and there were loads of "live" news clips of police running round saying "evacuate the area - there's another bomb in the building".
not sure what conclusion to draw from it...
not sure what conclusion to draw from it...
no one had a ****ing clue what was going on.
Has anyone owned up to the controlled demolition of the twin towers yet or are we still supposed to believe the collapse was caused due to the planes hitting them?
The sheer number of people involved in a conspiracy of that magnitude would number in the thousands, surely if that was the case someone would have let it slip by now
Unfortunately when you watch the dumb videos on You Tube trying to prove conspiracy (Loose Change i'm looking at you) their arguments just tend to come across like angry nutbars with no basis of proof whatsoever other than an unshakable belief that the world is out to get them
Conspiracy theories are such fun...any ever proven to be correct?
I tend to listen to the opinions of scientists rather than the angry nutters, there's a few good conspiracy videos about that put up a very good arguement. Unfortunately I can't seem to find the best one, maybe it's been removed in a conspiracy to remove the conspiracy vids 😯 😆
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It's good to know that there are still plenty of people about that believe what thier governments want them to believe, I guess thats the thing with mass media brainwashing... most of the population are brainwashed. Some of us however, like to read between the lines and make our own minds up. Laugh as much as you like, I'd rather watch a load of different conspiracy videos than blindly believe what I see and read in the mainstream news.
Now where did I put that tinfoil hat?
Got to wonder why you'd bother to put a bomb in a building that you're subsequently going to fly a plane into.
Planes fly into buildings > Sheer force from explosion blows all heat/fireproofing off steel structure > Steel structure under extreme heat > Steel structure gives way > Force from the structure above dropping vertically causes rest of building to collapse.
Now i do have an open mind when it comes to most things, but it's not exactly rocket science to see what caused the buildings to collapse.
Fred Dibnah did it - you heard it here first.
but Building 7 was the MIB
I was in the local chippy discussing this last night,
elvis said the conspiracy theories were bollox
Member houns, want to explain how wtc 7 collapsed then? If you're so smart, which you're not!
Planes fly into buildings > Sheer force from explosion blows all heat/fireproofing off steel structure > Steel structure under extreme heat > Steel structure gives way > Force from the structure above dropping vertically causes rest of building to collapse.
But that's the point, the architect designed the building to withstand the impact of a boeing 707. And if was going to come down due to the plane strike it wouldn't come down vertically. Try throwing a model plane at a tower of jenga and see which way it falls.
Aviation fuel fires do not melt steel... Thermite does!
Has anyone owned up to the controlled demolition of the twin towers.....
OK......time to own up I reckon ....... I done it.
It was so suppose to be to draw attention to the plight of the Hazel Dormouse, which due to the grubbing-up of hedgerows and other environment damage, has seen it's numbers steadily decline over many years.
Unfortunately it all got a bit out of hand, what with George Bush and Tony Blair making all those sabre-rattling warmongering speeches - so I didn't like to admit it.
But I would now like to take this opportunity to apologise most sincerely to the peoples of Afghanistan and Iraq, and anyone else who I have inconvenienced, for the consequences of my ill thought out and rather irresponsible
stunt 🙁
the architect designed the building to withstand the impact of a boeing 707.
Option 1) it's a huge conspiracy, the US government wanted to kill lots of their own people in order to make terrorists look bad, and decided that flying a bloody great plane into the towers wasn't enough and put a bomb in the building (rather than, y'know, on the plane) as well.
Option 2) the architected made a mistake, and is backing conspiracy theories because the alternative is that lots of people died and it's all his fault.
BET NOW!!
s good to know that there are still plenty of people about that believe what thier governments want them to believe, I guess thats the thing with mass media brainwashing... most of the population are brainwashed. Some of us however, like to read between the lines and make our own minds up. Laugh as much as you like, I'd rather watch a load of different conspiracy videos than blindly believe what I see and read in the mainstream news.Now where did I put that tinfoil hat?
I've seen the conspiracy stuff. What a load of codswallop. If you're (To put it bluntly) thick enough to believe that BS, then I'm surprised you can write your own name.
And secondly, have some bloody respect for the people that died. Tosser.
Aviation fuel fires do not melt steel... Thermite does!
It doesn't have to melt: At a temperature of around 750C steel loses around 90% of it's strength (even at 550C it loses 40% of it's strength).
Therefore, it is quite conceivable that the steel work, in parts of the building, could have failed in the fire that resulted from the impact of the planes. However, I am no structural engineer, and therefore can't hope to explain why the towers fell as they did.
What's David Icke's opinion on this is what I want to know!
Damn lizards.
But that's the point, the architect designed the building to withstand the impact of a boeing 707. And if was going to come down due to the plane strike it wouldn't come down vertically.
Aviation fuel fires do not melt steel... Thermite does!
It withstood the impact that's why it didn't topple over("Try throwing a model plane at a tower of jenga and see which way it falls.") So you've contradicted yourself there.
Yes if the steel was covered in fire protection then it wouldn't have melted (or would have lasted a lot longer) And it wasn't just aviation fuel that was burning was it?
Oh and j-Cru you got me, i'm not smart, it was obviously the hundreds/thousands of black ops people who over the course of months/years entered the building, drilled holes, placed explosives, laid miles of det cable, without anyone noticing 🙄
Houns
Is this an orange?? 😀
All three building fell at near free fall speed. So we are now suspending belief in physics are we?
the architect designed the building to withstand the impact of a boeing 707.
Clearly, he didn't do it very well.
Try throwing a model plane at a tower of jenga and see which way it falls.
Real buildings aren't made of wood and held together with friction. I'd wager that this is only one of many, many other reasons why this analogy is the domain of the hard of thinking. You might as well say "yes, but when you eat trifle, the custard always slips off the spoon" for how relavent it is.
Aviation fuel fires do not melt steel... Thermite does!
In a lab, perhaps. How about under stress / at high pressure / in an enclosed space / at altitude / when mixed with other substances in the building(/plane/air)?
I'm open to the idea that we're not being told the truth by the powers that be; but you're going to have to do better than cod physics and ZOMG ELEVENTYONEing about things that, unless you're a chemist / physicist / engineer / other form of expert, you have no way whatsoever of substantiating.
Putting that another way; just because you don't understand something, doesn't make it wrong.
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There's one *tiny* flaw in the conspiracy theories...
They're all [b]bollocks[/b]
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houns, yeah you,re not smart, I asked how wtc 7 collapsed, did you miss that?
From what I remember at the time, the architect had designed the building to withstand high winds and a light(er) aircraft strike.
Not a 707.
And i told you, did you miss that? Must be those blinkers
Or you could just watch video from the side of simons video
Or you could watch this one, Houns:
You can pick and choose the 'evidence' to support whatever theory you choose to believe. Personally, I have no problem in believing that elements of the US administration would carry out such an act. This is, after all, the same administration that used 9/11 as the excuse to wage an illegal war on Iraq, lying about evidence of WMDs, and all sorts of other bullshit. A war which has resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands, and cemented the US' position as the biggest global superpower.
I've seen the conspiracy stuff. What a load of codswallop. If you're (To put it bluntly) thick enough to believe that BS, then I'm surprised you can write your own name.
E-le-f-n, E-f-l-n-i, E-l-n-i-f... Nope. Can't do it. 🙁
have some bloody respect for the people that died
Quite. The greatest respect that can be shown is to find the truth behind their murders.
I've seen the conspiracy stuff. What a load of codswallop. If you're (To put it bluntly) thick enough to believe that BS, then I'm surprised you can write your own name.And secondly, have some bloody respect for the people that died. Tosser.
Bit harsh, I see the usual forum morons have to resort to name calling. Just to clarify I have nothing but respect for the people that died. It was a tragic waste of life. Thick enough to belive it? no but I'm open minded enough to question it and listen to other arguements which clearly makes you the narrow minded brain washed bigot... shouldn't you be watching big brother with the rest of the morons?
Here's an interesting perspective on Building 7
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Filthy - its quite clear what happened and why the buildings collapsed. No mystery, no conspiracy. Well explained by reputable scientists.
To suggest there was anything other than the planes hitting the buildings is just gaga.
If it was a conspiracy there would be some evidence of a conspiracy available. The number of peoiple required to be apart of the conspiracy someone would have leaked info by now.
The conspiracy theories are just ridiculously far fetched.
I seem to remember the building was designed to withstand a much smaller aircraft striking and one that wasn't brimmed with fuel.
The skin of the building was unusual in that it was structural and when you make a bloody massive hole in the side of it, you will have severely reduced it's integrity. Add to that the fire that raged for a long time and the collapse isn't entirely unexpected.
There are a few questions to be answered. My biggest question is why the grass in front of the hole punched in the pentagon is completely undamaged...must have been an inch perfect strike...
Bit harsh, I see the usual forum morons have to resort to name calling. Just to clarify I have nothing but respect for the people that died. It was a tragic waste of life. Thick enough to belive it? no but I'm open minded enough to question it and listen to other arguements which clearly makes you the narrow minded brain washed bigot...
Well said that man.
There are far too many factors that point the finger towards the American goverment (or a power higher up the chain).
In any case we are all entitled to draw our own conclusions. I myself just can't see it being an act of terrorism on the part of Bin Laden (sp??)
believe whatever you would like to TJ... I'm keeping an open mind, it's not such a closed case in my book. Some of the conspiracy theories are far fetched I agree but several have been backed by various engineers and scientists as plausable, not saying I believe them, just keeping an open mind. anyway...
but what if TJ is one of them secret operatives posting on this forum to distract us from the truth 😆
TJ mib ➡ 8)
[url= http://world911truth.org/911-9th-anniversary/ ]anyway I like cospiracy theorys[/url] far more interesting than what the mainstream media puts out
[i]the same administration that used 9/11 as the excuse to wage an illegal war on Iraq, lying about evidence of WMDs, and all sorts of other bullshit. A war which has resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands, and cemented the US' position as the biggest global superpower.[/i]
That's the problem with the 911 conspiracy theories, they were so rubbish about all that there's no chance of covering up anything as big as 911
911? I thought it was the new cross country bar width
Only if your rad is outweighed by your gnarrr
I'm with peterpoddy on this one. I dont doubt that Bush and his advisors had a bloody good idea that this was going to happen, and chose, for whatever reason (starts with 'm' and ends with 'oney', I would imagine) to ignore it, but I dont personally buy all the so called evidence of controlled explosions, etc. The rest of the conspiracy theories just detract from the fact that a lot of innocent people died that day, and there's not much sign of the continued losses stopping anytime soon.
And here's my advice for all the conspiracy theorists - Go to your local supermarket. Go to the crisps and snacks aisle. There, you will see an overweight bloke in national health specs and a faded star wars t-shirt. That's you, that is.
Houns, wtc 7 was not hit by a plane or even a part of a plane, so i think we can say all fireproofing still in place, i'll ask you again how did it collapse?
i'll ask you again how did it collapse?
Magic?
[i]Houns, wtc 7 was not hit by a plane or even a part of a plane, so i think we can say all fireproofing still in place, i'll ask you again how did it collapse? [/i]
There was a programme on WTC 7, it's been shown a few times. The building was bombarded by falling masonary for hours, one side of it took the brunt of the force of the collapse, there were fires burning in it for hours and the other factor is the way it was built, only one end was properly supported by foundations, the rest was 'overhanging' a subway station so not supported.
This is what makes me think there might be some truth in the controlled explosion theory...
If you don't get the explosives in exactly the right place it doesn't collapse vertically, like this...
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"The building was bombarded by falling masonary for hours"
No it wasn't, the buildings collapsed in seconds and without any force other than gravity, explain how masonary reaches a building 80mtr away.
And really you think 50 storey buildings get built without foundations?
j-cru it explains everything in the vid i linked in my last post, looks like you over looked that
what a load of bo**ocks. The Americans are dense, annoying and often kill their own people in times of war but come on... there not going to blow up two of their most iconic buildings with hundreds of people in.
You can make evidence fit what the hell you want if you word it carefully
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"The building was bombarded by falling masonary for hours"
No it wasn't, the buildings collapsed in seconds and without any force other than gravity, explain how masonary reaches a building 80mtr away.
And really you think 50 storey buildings get built without foundations?
have you not watched the video Houns posted earlier on this thread which shows debris hitting it and the subsequent damage?
I'm all for looking into the truth behind these things but in this case the simplest explanation does seem to be the correct one.
there not going to blow up two of their most iconic buildings with hundreds of people in.
I think you underestimate the power of the darkside 😈
You can make evidence fit what the hell you want if you choose word it carefully
works both ways, if you wanted to sway public opinion in order to support your invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan then you could quite easily make it look like terrorists have attacked your iconic buildings
If "they" are competent enough to plan, execute and cover up this "conspiracy" do you not think they might have thought about what consequence the buildings falling in a "controlled" manner might have had on the publics perception of the attack?
Im 100% with Filth on this.It was a huge set up by the american govt to give them an excuse to go after oil,so they could continue their quest for global domination. There are so many what ifs??, that the Government have declined to explain,and many experts(not who work for the government,surprisingly)that need answering,but know one has. A building of that size does not come down like a chimney stack after a jumbo jets ploughed into it! As a sideline from the main event,they invaded iraq looking for the WOMD,where are they?
I'm going down the pub, I'll leave you with an excerpt from the greatest conspiracy theory of all time, and one which I believe to contain a fair amount of plausable arguements. The zeitgeist movie, the full version is about 2 hours but it beats x-factor if your being forced to watch that.
Here's a bit from it about 9/11...
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This is so frigging daft, I'm tempted to say I can't believe people would think it but really I'm not. People are always choosing an answer they like and trying really hard to make the evidence fit it.
Several problems with the conspiracy theory as I see it:
1) If you wanted to invade a country to get its oil, wouldn't you just invent a spurious claim of WMD say, and then invade it. Why would you start by creating an astonishingly elaborate conspiracy which ended up blaming someone who had no oil at all? If you hadn't noticed, we don't get our oil for free even now.
2) Most of the theories seem based on the assertion that the building wouldn't have fallen over sideways. Right, so every other time the world's tallest skyscraper got hit by a plane it fell over sideways, didn't it? 🙄 You can say 'oh it was designed this way and that' all you like, that doens't guarantee it's going to actually do that in real life, especially as they were designed in the 70s without the aid of computers and whatnot
3) Controlled demolition is carefully planned to avoid damaging neighbouring buildings. If you've already decided to murder thousands of people, why would you give a F about preserving neighbouring buildings?
4) As far as I can tell, this kind of fire in this kind of building has never happened before. So why on earth would anyone pretend to know what the result would look like?
5) Why? I mean seriously - why? The idea is just so utterly ridiculous, really. The govt of any modern country is just hanging on, poking around at policy a bit and then getting voted out. Where tf would they get the wit and resources to create something like this?
6) What's all this crap about saps like me 'believing the mainstream media'? Like we have some kind of state controlled media? Is this China and I hadn't noticed? Get real.
Is there one plausible piece of evidence for conspiracy? Merely saying the buildings would not fall like that is not evidence. I mean explosives residues, det cord or something like that.
Just one plausible piece of evidence please
molgrips,
Have you no problem with the official explanation then? For the record I don,t think either side of the argument gives a definitive explanation, both are easily argued against and you'll easily find 'expert' testimony supporting your choice. And houns I had seen that video before.
Have any of the conspiracy theorists ever given acompelling motive for the "controlled demolition" of building 7? Or is it just because teh gubmint is teh devilz?
Could we save today for a bit of respect for all the dead, both in the USA and the wars afterwards, and leave proving someone is wrong on the internet for another day.
Thanks all.
Have you no problem with the official explanation then?
Is it 'official'?
I saw planes crashing into a building, I saw the buildings burn in a big fire and then collapse some time later more or less in a downward direction. It seems entirely plausible to me that that kind of fire would wreak havoc on plans designed to manage fires started at a single point on a single floor. The buildings could easily collapse downward since of course that's the direction in which gravity acts 🙂 These buildings are a lot bigger than the ones you see on telly being demolished.
the thing that I find troubling about the conspiracy theorists is that they say that they are keeping an open mind, but then they only believe in a conspiracy, and not in what other people tell them.
so they dont have an open mind, just a belief in a conspiracy.
and wise words at last from IanMunro.
I didn't think I was being disrespectful?
The thing with conspiracy theories is that they're self-perpetuating. No matter what the evidence offered up to disprove it, the conspiracy theorists immediately proclaim that's it's all designed to hide the orginal conspiracy.
If you discuss the theories openly, it gives credibility to them, more people become aware of them and get confused by the different angles being offered and you're in a worse mess than before.
If you don't discuss the theories, it's because you're scared by the "truth" so the conspiracy theory gains credibility.
Bit like trying to discuss religion really...
The attack on the pentagon is the one that is most mysterious to me. No visible plane wreckage, a small entry hole on the building no wing slice like the towers attacks. The possibility of a missile seems remotely possible, but if it were then was the flight ficticious?
"anyway I like conspiracy theorys"
Hmm, so do I I'd go as far as to say I collect them amongst other memes and artifacts of contemporary folklore, However I also like and collect films and books, it doesn't necessarily mean I accept them as fact or in anyway plausible.
The fact that the more people watch and are aware of for example "The Italian Job" or "Harry Potter" than were aware of them ten years ago, Doesn't suddenly make them true or any more plausible.
m6 i caught the programe ont telly box about that one and it does seem a bit odd.
My carbon Zaskar was built to support my weight, after riding it for a while it developed a crack. The only plausble solution for this is nano thermite, planted by the government, to stop me buying imported carbon frames.
Not really the best day for this crap.
I watched the footage many times and the day is burned in my memory (The JFK moment for our generation).
For me, if Bush can't plan an occupation of Iraq then I don't think for one moment his cronies could execute this as a conspiracy.
This was a horrible event and as said before the simplest explanation is also the most credible.
My thoughts go to those who lost their lives on this day and in the days (and countries) caused by this event.
No visible plane wreckage, a small entry hole on the building no wing slice like the towers attacks
Yeah but when was the last time a plane crashed into a low rise building built the exact same way as the pentagon at almost ground level? What happened then?
Although you might [b]expect[/b] it to go a certain way, you've really no idea since all you've seen is a few pics. Not really any grounds to base a conspiracy on is it?
My thoughts go to those who lost their lives on this day and in the days (and countries) caused by this event.
+1, well put.
I wouldn't put it past them the crazy bastards...
How do we know that they are crazy bastards..?
Because we have watched around 40 years of hollywood movies that portray them as such... thus proving that the conspiracy is all an elaborate triple bluff as they have been conditioning us to believe it for so long that we now disbelieve it.. Reverse psychology on a global scale..
simples
Yeah - lets quash all these conspiracy theories. We know there were hijackers on the plane because according to ABC News and the Associated Press, the passport of hijacker Satam Al Suqami was found a few blocks from the WTC. They should like you know, build cycle helmets out of whatever that passport was made of 🙂
Just one plausible piece of evidence please
Every single scrap of debris was removed from the scene and was never examined by any investigators. They were given selected sample of debris to examine later.
By the same token, there is no evidence that the 'planes caused the collapse. Only theory. Plenty of reputable.
scientists and engineers have rejected the claims of the official investigation. Seismic readings showed 'spikes' just prior to the collapse of the buildings, suggesting explosions. Eye witnesses have spoken of hearing explosions. Demolition experts have been adamant the buildings were brought down by controlled explosion.
You don't think the US administration at the time was capable and willing to commit such an act?
Really?
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The WTC were designed as tubes rather than what's done typically now with an rc central core and steelwork braced from it. There's been lot of research carried out on the collapse by structural engineers - it's not hard to find how and why they collapsed.
"They should like you know, build cycle helmets out of whatever that passport was made of "
Or black box flight recorders. 🙂
There really are some nutters on STW these days. I thought we were an educated bunch and just argued on religion and whether Gordon's a moron or Gideons a gambler. This 911 stuff is really a surprise, as a chemist, and as someone who has heated many a steel thing in a fire, nothing that happened on that tragic day needed any extra "stuff".
....that said. Don't get me started on David Kelly.
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