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Elfin has totally lost the plot, best to send an ambulance, or on second thoughts best not to, in case he is agressive to the staff, and the ambulance is required by somebody in actual need of medical attention, not just a slap with a wet newspaer.
not just a slap with a wet newspaer.
Don't forget and point at his monitor saying "Who's done that, now who's done that, bad lad!"
I'd wish you'd pick what your argument is, you tell us that we can't legal diagnose a featured ankle your proven wrong
No, if you bothered to read and understand, you'd know that's not in fact what I said:
So, if I go to hospital with a knacked ankle, a nurse/paramedic would make an initial medical diagnosis based on obvious signs. But just say I was to make a claim against someone for injury caused, then a doctor would be the only person legally qualified to write down 'this patient has a sprained/broken ankle' etc. Am I correct? IE, nothing a paramedic or nurse sez would have any legal weight. No?
See, I'm asking a question, not making a statement.
Here's another:
Are you qualified to refer a patient for surgery?
you say no I mean take bloods which we can
Are you legally qualified to present the results of a blood test which you have undertaken yourself, in a court of law?
And by that, I don't mean the pinprick blood sugars thing, I mean a proper blood toxicology report. The kind of thing what would be required if you were to be making a claim as to a person's medical condition/level of inebriation etc. So, blood sample taken, sent off for analysis, results examined, medical conclusion produced.
And now you on about court of law which err guess what we can.
To what level? Are you qualified to give evidence as I've mentioned above? What is the nature of the 'evidence' you've bin asked to produce in court?
See, what I've actually done, is asked quite a lot of questions, which jolly well have not actually bin answered in any real depth. Basically, and I'll repeat myself again, what I'm talking about is [i]legally admissible evidence[/i], which could be contested. Are you, as a 'paramedic', qualified to produce and present such evidence, in a [i]legal[/i] context?
So, the charge is 'Defendant X was drunk'. Defendant X says 'no I was not, prove it'. Who has the legal authority, in such a situation (Which is the kind of thing relevant to this discussion), to present such evidence as that which would be required to prove a person's drunkenness in [i]a court of law[/i]?
Now do you understand what I'm getting at? The difficulty in being able to impose any such charges/fines?
In order to do someone for drink driving, the police have to produce physical evidence. In the instances where blood or urine samples are produced, these samples must have bin analysed and verified by a [b]qualified doctor[/b].
So, instead of being knobs and posting daft tags and generally having a pop, why not try to understand what I'm actually saying?
jolly well have not...was not...bin
Whilst you insist on writing like that I'll struggle to understand what your saying. But given you've now narrowed your shotgun approach down I'll try.
Paramedics can take bloods but as a general rule we don't, for one we don't have the equipment and anywhere to store them. Could these be used in a court of law well it depends on the charge, certain charges need someone trained in medical forensics, there are some Paramedics who have done this but it's not normal.
To answer your question to what evidence I gave in court, I can't really say but I will say it was whether morphine would effect someones judgement in a certain dose to understand what they were saying in their statement.
Currently there is no need to get bloods for a drunken disorderly charge and I have had people charged and then prosecuted after the Police asked if they were intoxicated or was it something else causing it.
So like I said you really have no idea what you're talking about.
Are you qualified to refer a patient for surgery?
No and what's that got to do with your question about drunken charges, see what I mean now about shotgun approach.
In order to do someone for drink driving, the police have to produce physical evidence. In the instances where blood or urine samples are produced, these samples must have bin analysed and verified by a qualified doctor.
Nope - they could be taken by a nurse and are analysed by a lab.
Drunk and disorderly / drunk and incapable is on the word of a cop.
You see I have actually worked in this role.
Nurse / physios and I assume paramedics are able to give diagnoses that carry as much legal weight as a doctors in some circumstances.