[Closed] I have my resignation letter in my hand

Put it in the shredder or she wins.

Has she got any evidence to say you haven't been performing during the year and has spoken to you formally about this?

Do you like being there?
Is it a good job?
Is the money ok?
Are the people you work with ok?
If no to all of the above just leave.
Life's too short.

Has she got any evidence to say you haven't been performing during the year and has spoken to you formally about this?

if she has, then it ought to conflict with his own:

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/i-have-cold-hard-evidence

I think the receptionist has to take some of the blame here

OP maybe shes one of those 'keep you on your toes/keeps you working hard' style-managers?

Either that or its a way of telling you forget asking for a payrise.

I've met managers like this, they are higher than you but they are [b]not[/b] leaders or respected.

Have been in a similar situation for the last two/three years.

BUT today I do have my resignation letter in my hand and it will be in the bosses hand in under 3 hours time 😀

As iolo says life is tooo short there's pretty much always a way of getting by and happiness cannot be bought ( unless it has two wheels :lol:) have a proper think about it don't rush into a decision but if your not happy get out.

Well recalled Stoner.

Off you go to HR saying you're feeling bullied by your manager and felt under pressure to sign the PR, take the evidence you mentioned. Well copies of the evidence keep the originals.

What Drac said - Calm down, the return to her and politely suggest that you can't recall thge issues in question, and ask for it in writing.

If she refuses, you could - again politely - suggest you could not accept a performance review on that non-evidential basis. If your company has an HR she'll be forced / you could ask them to intervene on the basis that would she insist on placing those issue into your review without evidence or refusing to entertain your request.

Its your review, whats said about you is not a one way street.

Saves you being inconvenienced waiting for your pass I guess. Every cloud and all that.

What Drac says - after everything you told us before, you've got to go and make a formal complaint at HR, if only to strengthen your case for constructive dismissal further down the line!

Off you go to HR saying you're feeling bullied by your manager and felt under pressure to sign the PR, take the evidence you mentioned. Well copies of the evidence keep the originals.

@Tom - it's Friday, let it go for today.

Go to HR, write your boss and hr a note to say where you disagree.

You could have a chat with your boss's boss saying it's clear they are trying to force you out, you can go but you'll need a payoff. IMO you'll get nowhere with hr or your boss.

Also definitely do not sign the review, not now not ever.

Had similar a long time ago, the woman boss hated me, she kept finding mon existent tasks i hadnt done, or conversations we never had, in fact she told another employee i had about as much chance as staying there as a snow ball would have in the fires of hell, i resigned and she sacke me by recorded delivery same day, and what a happy day that was.

Think youve reached the same place,go straight to HR if a big company or resign if a small insignificant place.

Go and have a cup of tea.

When everything seems clearer speak to some people you trust with some life / employment experience and come up with a plan.

It's only a job.

Not sure how large your business is but policies are in place for a reason. Ask for evidence, if it doesn't appear, raise a grievance.
Without going into too much detail - I got fed up with my boss' bullying style of management and raised it with HR.
I got moved to another manager temporarily whilst the investigation took place but the controlling continued so in the end, I got signed off for 4 1/2 months with stress whilst it was resolved.
The investigation confirmed my accusations and I'm now back at work and she's been reprimanded and placed on stringent targets regarding her behaviour. I refused to go back with her and have been moved into a nicer team with better prospects.
At the time, I hated going through the process but it was the right thing to do, not just for me but for anyone else that works with/for her.
Keep accurate notes of conversations and dates and how you actually felt/emotions. Even if your manager takes notes, make your own and don't sign anything you're unhappy with.

WEEKEND, TDF ON TV, feet up, ride pm and forget about everything and then start a fresh monday.

Hmm, there is a bit of a theme here about raising things with HR.... and every thread we have on here seems to suggest HR are there to protect the company first, individuals second.....

+1 for chill if you can, its the weekend. Chat through with a trusted colleague. Look from a different perspective then act...

Aha, I've got it. The receptionist is your boss isn't she?

He got to meet her so i doubt it

Why not just find a job elsewhere? For your own sanity and wellbeing?

I've had managers like that - there seems to be more of them than decent ones and IME they only manage like that because they don't have the emotional intelligence to behave otherwise. If they did have the appropriate amount of emotional intelligence then they'd be managing you properly!

The conclusion I've come to is no amount of explaining to them why their management style is ineffective (by you, HR, their boss, anyone) will ever be very effective - they just don't have the base materials to understand how to communicate properly... (and sometimes it's just bullying, in which case you're better off out)

Kick her in the chuff, storm out turning on the bunsen taps on and burst though the front doors to a rock track backed explosion. Jump aboard your harley and race off into the sunset...

or have a cup of tea and re-do your CV

.....well I went cross eyed.

I resigned with immediate affect, although this appears to have royally ****ed them off as they are still adamant they want to pay me for 4 weeks so that they can say they suspended me.

So it looks like I have to say that I went to find myself in Vietnam for 6 months in my next interview....

Tom_W1987 - Member
.....well I went cross eyed.

Well that's one way to relieve the tension, even if God kills a kitten in return.

Hah.

My missus is going to murder me. Oh well, when all else fails there's always the Foreign Legion right? She won't be able to lecture me to death if I'm in Corsica.

ooops.

Careful now - she's won. If "they" (she?) want to say they've suspended you thats a very childish personal persecution with no evidence and therefore unfair dismissal. If I was you I'd get HR involved or some independant legal advice ASAP.

I resigned with immediate affect, although this appears to have royally **** them off as they are still adamant they want to pay me for 4 weeks so that they can say they suspended me

?? How can they say that they suspended you? Confused here.

Sorry if I handed my notice in and by reply they said that I'd be pissed off.

When you say you went cross-eyed. What do you mean? Are there any gaps you aren't telling us about? Seems very odd for a company to say that to you post-notice.

Attitude problem and I have to give them four weeks notice apparently. I didn't give notice, I basically resigned on the spot citing continual undermining by my boss making me unable to carry out my work effectively.

I don't care, I don't regret it and never will.

Then it sounds like constructive-dismissal.

EDIT:too slow...

**** knows? They said they wanted to give me a good reference in the 1st probabtion review if things didn't work out...I had one genuine issue in that initial probation review that I sorted out, if they suspend me and an employer want's to check if I've ever been suspended....I now have to cover it up on my CV.

Hmm, there is a bit of a theme here about raising things with HR.... and every thread we have on here seems to suggest HR are there to protect the company first, individuals second.....

If you have the stomach for a fight, it will cost the company involved a lot of management time and compensation money (especially if you can prove discrimination). HR protect the company against these costs and slap down bad managers. At my redundancy appeal the HR bloke shut up as I presented my case, he knew I had done my homework and they were screwed.

Anyone on here work in a lab? 😆

I'm shaking and I actually think the arteries in my neck are about to explode.

[s]Bruce Banner[/s] Tom earlier:

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I now have to cover it up on my CV.

This still doesn't make sense. They didn't suspend you, so you have nothing to cover. You resigned, what you tell any future employer is up to you

Given whats gone on, I'd suggest setting up a meeting with HR next week if you can be bothered and discuss the issues at play here.....
They cant force you to stay if you've resigned, nor can they hold you to your notice period.

I'm not sure either, they may be thinking they don't have to accept the resignation as it states in my contract that I have to give them four weeks.

Notice periods are almost impossible to enforce.

If you really want to go just don't turn up. They won't pay you obviously.

Sounds like you've missed a large chunk of story out of how it got to this stage.

Yes, I think you've been caught spunking into the milk. Shame on you!

Tell them you don't accept their suspension due to the fact that they have no authority over you as you are no longer an employee.
Put it all in writing.

They must know there's no conceivable reason to force you to work out notice, or even be suspended during it. At best, you would be pretty unproductive during that notice, to put it mildly.

They must also realise that you walking rather than dragging them through disciplinaries and potentially tribunals is a positive thing for them.

+1 Meeting with HR, as suggested. You may have cooled off a bit over the weekend, and actually regret resigning on the spot. Or not!

Sounds like you've missed a large chunk of story out of how it got to this stage.

Not really, I posted something else a while back. My boss just seems to dislike me, my performance has been fine with others...there have been hiccups when working with/for her but these were mostly down to poor instructions on her part.

However...she's never wanted to have to train me either...I was thrown into the deep end when I started this job, she expected me to hit the ground with my feet running having never done this type of job before and having just gotten out of university....and I'm being paid well below the average wage for this job....basically they wanted someone they didn't have to train and who they could also pay a pittance....because of my academic record but lack of experience they thought they could do that with me.

For example...she didn't even have the time to train me in the lab techniques they were carrying out, we do lots of different types.....but it was often a matter of...here are the crap protocols....here are the histology samples that we need sectioning...I'll show you once how to section....now section, stain and mount our samples from this massively expensive study....which you can easily **** up.

At the same time...and this is the part that really ****s with my head and I can't even begin to explain it...is she managed to micromanage me all the ****ing time without ever training me adequately.

I blame running important time limited experiments while trying to get an ID card.

Hah. There is that.

On what grounds have they suspended you?

Are they suspending to investigate managers complaint against against you, or to investigate your complaint against her? They can't just suspend without some form of reasonable grounds.

You could be on to a significant win if you play this right - you need, [u]AS PEOPLE KEEP TELLING YOU[/u] to demand they pursue a grievance procedure against your manager - this can still be done now, while you're suspended!

Okay, I will then.

I'll have some fun with them now everyone's shown their cards.

Do you work in a highly regulated environment with QA monitored procedures for the stuff you do? If this is the case, and your manager is asking you to perform tasks for which you aren't trained, and then using this against you in a performance review... Well, if I were the regulator or QA manager, I'd have a fascinating conversation with your Manager!

No not really, they like to think they're highly regulated...and they should be but they're not....the whole place is a disorganized mess with a couple of people at top that like to talk about health and safety, quality assurance and organisation but don't put it into practice. We definitely don't have a Quality Assurance manager.

From what I have read it seems that you have been there less than 2 years?

This means that they can terminate your contract without a reason.
So if they wanted rid of you, this would be the obvious way to do it.

I would suggest take the suspension and raise a grievance.

A lab without QA?
Are you sure?
Surely a lab without QA is a shed that does a few experiments without credible results.
If they do have QA there must be a QA manager.

Is your missus happy in her job, and does it pay all the bills? How important is your relationship with her? Don't answer here, they are just questions to ask yourself.

I ask because after relationships which had taken second place to careers (and failed), a few months with Madame were enough to convince me that our couple (and later our little family) should take priority over careers. The resulting choices were sometimes seen as madness by family and friends but we went from strength to strength, ended up in the right place, at the right time, doing the right thing and prospered, together.

So rather than arguing with RH, have a good heart to heart with the Missus about what she wants from life.

Iolo. It's very, very ad hoc. There's a senior tech, a line manager who's never worked in a laboratory (her only qualification is in HR) and a health and safety officer who never goes in the labs (lol).

I think I might have stumbled upon the worst laboratory in the UK, if it was Pirbright or Porton Down we'd all be dead by now.

You didn't go to univerity in Sheffield and now work(ed) for TES do you?

If the results the lab generate have any clinical relevance, there will be regulation and QA. It may not seem like there's structure, but to the regulator there will be. Without wishing to patronise, junior lab staff often aren't aware of the QA structure - but this is a QA failure in itself.

Just trying to offer another angle to use in any dispute.

It's not clinical, environmental. I'm sure the mods will be able to work out where it is.

You didn't go to univerity in Sheffield and now work(ed) for TES do you?

Noooooo.

LOL, the work that my boss complained about was done before I was signed off as competent to carry out the work.

So they do have some sort of QA system, but it's very very ad hoc and poorly carried out.

That you had to adhere to. Otherwise the tests were worthless.

? I did adhere to what I was told to do, the problem is that she signed me off as competent without looking at that previous work first and now she has the gall to be complaining about that early work.

So you're declaring yourself as incompetent and unable to carry out the tasks given as you're saying she signed you off without checking your capabilities?
Or am I missing something?

She's complaining about the work that was done BEFORE I was signed off as competent, which she didn't pick up and should have done at the time. Since then I've been doing things fine, which was pure luck as I didn't know I had done the slides before I was signed off incorrectly.

She should have picked it up and told me to do the work differently, she didn't - 6 months of work could have be wrecked.

Sounds like her booboo to me, I was meant to be in training at that time. As TallPaul said, she had me doing experimental work before I was signed off as competent to do so.

I'm staring to wonder if my boss is a bit of a derp, instead of a total asshole.

Tom_W1987 - Member

... There's a senior tech, a line manager who's never worked in a laboratory [b][u](her only qualification is in HR)[/u][/b] and a [b][u]health and safety officer who never goes in the labs[/u] [/b](lol).

There there ... the main problem is HR qualification while the other one is laziness.

She sounds like a corporate bully bitch who is also ineffectual.

Beat her at her own game by using the procedures to your advantage. Don't rely upon HR to help much, they aren't union reps and will side with their pay masters.

She can't criticise you on performance of tasks you haven't been asked to do.

Ask for proof the task was assigned to you. If they weren't take her to a grievance for being an incompetent bitch of a boss, turn the gun her way. Most satisfying.

Cool, double post,

What do I win?

I was made redundant today after 23 years at the same company.

Not unexpected but not a good feeling 🙁

Does what you do have any direct influence on the health and test results of people who may or may not have terminal/life-changing illness?

It is public service? Private?

Sounds like critical training and QA tasks are not being performed by those in higher positions and things are being swept under the carpet.

Whistle-blow. Destroy them as they would destroy you and others.

Unfortunately no, I'm not going to say exactly what at the risk of outing myself on google and my old colleagues finding this thread when one of the postdocs is on a "google for journals" binge...

We do have an animal unit though, maybe I could cause some hilarity by complaining to the right people that regulate them....just need to think of an infraction first.

I was made redundant today after 23 years at the same company.

Not unexpected but not a good feeling

Ahhh that sucks. Keep us updated on your life plans! It's always good to type/write things, helps you think about your situation....clearly didn't work with me though....I flipped out and resigned anyway.

sargey - Member

I was made redundant today after 23 years at the same company.

Not unexpected but not a good feeling

I was made redundant last month after nearly 15 years of part-time job with the same company.

I don't feel good but I know the bureaucrats are milking the system at the expense of part-time works and low level employees. Non of the management staff were on redundancy by the way.

Some of the low level employees don't earn a lot and with family so it's hitting them hard. I feel for them.

🙄