[Closed] I don't give way to BMW's...shame me!

Been driving Beemers for about five years now. Not noticed any difference. Most people don't indicate properly, don't understand how to filter, don't know who has priority and can't work out how to switch their fogs off even when it's sunny.

I rejoice in swiftly proceeding from A to B safe in the knowledge I'm the perfect driver. And that's not a joke.

Amazing, very similar mentality to all those twunts who'd run you off the road for having the audacity to be there on a bicycle,

Indeed. They're so ignorant

one good thing about having a really crap car is if a bmw/audi etc is trying to force it's way through you can just hold your ground so they have to abandon

Just let em run into you ...but the right lines

Never, ever seen a Hyundai i10 driven within 15mph of the speed limit. Ever. ****s.

People who pull out of junctions and proceed to pootle like they are the only person on the road. Even though there is nothing behind me. ****s.

Where I live its the norm to stop and hold a line of traffic doing 40mph if you are turning left., To allow a car out from a side road , even if there is a stream of cars coming the from the opposite way.

Or , out from a petrol station . Appraoching car is 100m away , so they pull out half across the lane to block it and wait for a gap coming the other way. This I hate , so I get as close as possible to their drivers door so they have to make an awkward L shaped turn, because I can be an asshat behind the wheel.

Its not just BMW drivers . M27 road works, 50mph limit . The vast majority of the speeders are in german cars , or vans.

Try driving within 10% of the posted speed limit on my commute and I get tailgated everyday by pretty much all other traffic.
No -one cares anymore about leaving a gap , the 2 second rule etc . Mums with their own kids in their SUV ,. - " well your kids who walk or cycle to school can be crushed under my wheels and its not my fault you cannot afford a shiney SUV steel box to transport your own children around in , Im late for my nail bar appointment"
Or its men who dig holes in the road , no time to drive anywhere in a laid back relaxing manner . Its full gas everywhere as the boss is paying for the derv and the cafe is quickly filling up with other men
who dig holes in the road

This is the one I was thinking of malvernrider!
No BMW content!

haha, twunts. No worries, I'm an equal-opportunity eye-roller 🙄 😉

There is no greater pleasure* than cruising through Ilkley on the A65 at 29mph (past a couple of schools) and enjoying the tailgatey anger of various BMW X5s, sprinter vans. Occasionally an irate older gentleman in a Macan.

*there are greater pleasures, obviously.

Over here it is in the law that you need give way to a bus leaving stop, but only if area is classified as built-up area. Pure entertainment for all the bus drivers, less so for other drivers.

Never seem to notice any difference in my wife’s 1 Series. Maybe it’s not flash enough to stir up the jealous rage eating away at some of you? For the record, it costs no more per month than a focus, Astra etc.

I have a 330D, wife has an audi S3, we’ve got a T5 for the weekend.

I’m not expecting to feel much love

I really don’t understand this mentality at all. What other groups of people to you actively discriminate against due to appearance?

I drive a 13 year old BMW that I’ve owned for 12 years. Does that make me a nobber/cockwomble/etc?

Daffy - Member
I really don’t understand this mentality at all. What other groups of people to you actively discriminate against due to appearance?

I drive a 13 year old BMW that I’ve owned for 12 years. Does that make me a nobber/cockwomble/etc?

As the op I must point out it was a self deprecating post as I know it's ridiculous and pretty of me. 🙂

So no, your not a cockwomble lol

Maybe it’s not flash enough to stir up the jealous rage eating away at some of you?

Always love this line. A car is a tool, like a hammer or screwdriver, for doing a specific, really boring job. There is no jealousy. I am beginning to despair of this place. I think roughly 60% of the posts on this thread have been in jest. The other 40% appears to be people taking things a bit too seriously.

Lighten up and yes, yes you’re a cockwomble 😉

Try driving within 10% of the posted speed limit on my commute and I get tailgated everyday by pretty much all other traffic.

Same here. Though I found after having a tow bar fitted, less people tailgate.

reminded me of a magnificent BMW vs Merc standoff

The greater number of cylinders has priority, if both V8s then capacity wins.
If both V12s then the greedy bastards can fight to the death.

mjsmke - Member

Same here. Though I found after having a [s]tow bar[/s] parking sensor fitted, fewer people tailgate.

😉

Thank God BMW don't make white vans, eh?

[quote=bikebouy ]Though, have to say, around here people really do not like you driving the speed limits... if you watch them in your rear view mirror they’re apoplectic and in total rage, bit like watching a pork chop in a blender.
Tosserz

I get that a lot too. I also drive an MX5 so am quite low down - I get dazzled by the head/running lights in my rearview mirror. So it's normally set to "don't dazzle". If someone wants to jump up and down in their seat behind me, that's their issue. I'm driving the way I want - which is generally the way you're "meant" to drive. Speed limit/indicating etc

Yep, I get it too. Drive at a legal speed and watch somebody in the rear view mirror take one step closer to their head exploding. I especially like it when they overtake you and then get stuck behind the car directly in front of you. Or when they overtake, speed off and you casually roll up behind them a few minutes later at the lights / junction / roundabout.

I drive a BMW and a Fiesta. Plenty of idiots around in all types of car, so indeed the OP is being very irrational.

What a nice car does though I’d give you options, as in a BM can get to 60 mph very easily and sit there with no problems so you very quickly catch up people in some sh!t box who feel like 35 mph is warp speed.

Later today I will start a thread about idiots driving Golfs. They never indicate, drive too close and always join the back of a long que rather than using the right hand lane and then filtering in at the last minute (which is proven to be more efficient)

I think I'm generally quite relaxed about driving, and don't get too much cockish behaviour back at me either. But I do stick to speed limits in urban areas, regardless of whatever is happening behind. Notably many folk tend to speed past my house at 50 (in a 40. Should be a 30 - small village, school etc). I have no qualms about pulling out into a small gap and taking an age to get up to 40. If I can see someone getting irate, i'll take longer doing so. No point thrashing an engine from cold eh?

[i]What other groups of people to you actively discriminate against due to appearance?[/i]

Oh yes, the OP's attitude has been compared to racism. I've seen everything now. 😆

I like to think I drive to the highway code, and the speed limiter goes on in 30s and 40s. I drive Peugeot and Skoda superminis. And even considering all that, every time I end up behind a Vauxhall Agila or Meriva I think "oh, well, that's any chance of me reaching my destination vaguely near the time I intended shot to pieces".

For the record, I let practically no one out after an accident this year. I try not to do anything outside the highway code to avoid confusion.

Oh, and I'm not sure of its changed as I last drove one three years ago, but the indicators in a BMW operate in a completely different way to all other cars. It doesn't excuse those who don't use them but it's a stupid piece if design.

I will say on the point made about indicators that there are a few manufacturers who have programmed the fog lights to come on when the steering wheel is turned, it kind of indicates to other road users which way the driver “intends” to manoeuvre.. but it really is only an intention and not a substitute for using indicators. So, turn steering wheel right and the right fog light comes on.. you get the gist.
Seems like a good idea to me, I think it maybe Citroen small SUV types (ugly boxy things, new design) that have this.

I do like the US idea of .. if you leave the keys in the ignition of a car and either it’s still running or not, and you get out the hazard lights come on.. I like that, I think that’s a smart idea.

To generalise i do definitely think that certain types of car tend to be driven in certain ways, not all BMW/ Audi drivers are bad drivers, they just tend to drive in a certain way.

One thing 8500 miles of cycle commuting last year showed me was that BMW/ Audi/ white van man will drive aggressively, they are the ones that will clearly see you and still pull out of a junction into your path, or if there is a traffic island in middle of the road, they will actively accelerate and try to beat you to the gap. BUT, at least they saw you even if they did put the sh*ts up you doing it

The ones that actually scare you (and i got injured twice being knocked off in a year) are the person who doesn't bother to clear windows, the elderly gent that pulls out of side road because he simply hasn't seen you and the mums with the 4 kids in car, again all generalisations but it is just observations, as whilst they may not drive in an arrogant way, they just have not seen you at all.

A lot say it is just jealousy above, but it isn't as i tend to find Mercedes, Jaguar, Volvo drivers driving cars of an equal value, but they don't usually feel the tendency to drive 3 ft from your chuff all the time.

In the same way for some reason you don't need to be lobotomised to drive a BMW estate, but you do for a saloon, you don't for a Land Rover Defender, but you do for a Range Rover and if you drive an S3 and think not wearing socks and wearing loafers in December is a good thing, then you should have your own lane, where you can just all drive 1ft from each others chuff and wave your willies at each other.

(tongue firmly in cheek)

When I lived in the UK the Vauxhall zafira was the car always driven by total knobbers.
Without fail, any near miss on the bike or getting cut up in the car, total knobber in a zafira.

Predicting driver behaviour by stereotyping and aggregating previous experiences of that kind of vehicle has always been useful, and long may it continue.

I'm sure there are lots of nice, responsible Audi drivers out there, but I work on the basis that if I see an Audi, the driver is more likely to do something stupid or aggressive. Older Audi saloons - even more so.

Same as if I see a Micra with a hat on the back shelf, they are more likely to be an unobservant and upredictable ditherer and I need to give them more room.

Don't worry OP, you're far from alone in this according to a study carried out by a leasing company

[url= https://www.osv.ltd.uk/survey-reveals-motorists-dont-let-bmws-out-at-junctions/ ]Don't let BMW drivers out[/url]

Edit - the worst ones are the bastards that push their way out of junctions and then wave like you let them out.

Sometimes youi've been waiting for five minutes and seen hundreds of cars pass, none of whom show the most basic elements of human decency, they won't even lift off for a few seconds to help someone get about their day. That boils my piss. The downright ignorance and selfishness of it. So yes, I nudge my way out because **** you too if you won't spare a few seconds for your fellow human and make the world a better place.

Daffy - Member
I really don’t understand this mentality at all. What other groups of people to you actively discriminate against due to appearance?

I drive a 13 year old BMW that I’ve owned for 12 years. Does that make me a nobber/cockwomble/etc?

Sorry but 'premium badge' cars do attract a certain type of person disproportionately. Especially large 4x4/SUVs.

Not saying all of the drivers are narcissistic, self-important, i'm-so-clever-cos-i've-got-20-inch-diamond-cut-wheels-and-tinted-windows chunts. But the stereotype exists for good reason, and that reason isn't envy. Most of these cars are easily within reach even for modest incomes thanks to the lease revolution.

I don't block people though, that'd make me a bawbag too. Life's too short.

chestercopperpot - Member
When you buy German you have privileged access to roads. It's about time the jealous peasants understood this.

This

There really are some very grumpy, self opinionated numpties on here aren't there 😆

Having spent the last 25 years commuting on the M60, I let everyone in... even if they are forcing their way in. I simply dont care. I realised long ago that getting really wound up about cock drivers just negatively impacts me.

So i let them all through if they are indicating or just pushing. Smile inwardly to myself and get on with my life.

Having spent the last 25 years commuting on the M60

You have my deepest sympathies. I imagine that would break my spirit too. 🙂

I drive a white van and an Audi, oh dear.

What I can’t quite figure out is why you’d drive aggressively in an Audi, it’s such a comfortable relaxing experience (at least mine is) that I’m too chilled out to worry about it.

At the very least this thread has revealed how many opportunities to be inconsiderate are taken. One set of behaviour leads to in another, your all guilty of condoning and perpetuating inconserate habits.

I've read somewhere in the past that the BMW model prefix letters are cock index multipliers, based around the Roman numeral system.......

My older brother bought a brand new, highly spec'd Five-series a while back and went out of his way to drive it in a courteous and polite fashion, letting people out of junctions and generally not being a knobber.

He enjoyed himself immensely.

You guys all need to move north and have a more relaxing driving experience.
Biggest trouble I ever have as a driver is lack of overtaking spots for the elderly folk in their small red (why are they always red?) cars with nothing better to do than trundle around at 35-40mph ruining everyone elses day.

I'm with the op on this one

with nothing better to do than trundle around at 35-40mph ruining everyone elses day.

If that ruins your day, you have an attitude problem. I used to have one too.

So yes, I nudge my way out because * you too if you won't spare a few seconds for your fellow human and make the world a better place.

"* you too" seems a little misplaced here, the people you're being a bit of a knob to are specifically [u]not[/u] among the "hundreds" who've gone sailing past,and failed to let you out.

Edit - the worst ones are the bastards that push their way out of junctions and then wave like you let them out.
Sometimes youi've been waiting for five minutes and seen hundreds of cars pass, none of whom show the most basic elements of human decency, they won't even lift off for a few seconds to help someone get about their day. That boils my piss. The downright ignorance and selfishness of it. So yes, I nudge my way out because **** you too if you won't spare a few seconds for your fellow human and make the world a better place.

Oh dear. I’m all for the everybody let one out approach and do this myself. If you’ve pushed out though, nope, not happening. You make it sound like somebody has taken everything you own. You’re just driving and maybe you’ll be a bit later than you intended. As you say, a few seconds. 😉

with nothing better to do than trundle around at 35-40mph ruining everyone elses day.
If that ruins your day, you have an attitude problem.

Although I completely agree with you on this.

funkmasterp - Member

Oh dear. I’m all for the everybody let one out approach and do this myself. If you’ve pushed out though, nope, not happening.

+1. If traffic conditions allow, I'll let a car out. If you act the bully and try to force me, when I have right of way.....nah. Back in your box, regardless of what you drive.

retro83 - Member

Sorry but 'premium badge' cars do attract a certain type of person disproportionately. Especially large 4x4/SUVs.

Not saying all of the drivers are narcissistic, self-important, i'm-so-clever-cos-i've-got-20-inch-diamond-cut-wheels-and-tinted-windows chunts. But the stereotype exists for good reason, and that reason isn't envy. Most of these cars are easily within reach even for modest incomes thanks to the lease revolution.

You have to wonder if there's been any research into personality types or traits with regards to the marketing and aspirational image building associated with some of these brands.

If you’ve pushed out though, nope, not happening. You make it sound like somebody has taken everything you own. You’re just driving and maybe you’ll bed bit later than you intended. As you say, a few seconds.

I don't push out after a few seconds. More like three minutes of car after car of selfish bastards who don't give a shit about anyone else. They piss me off. Why wouldn't they piss you off? Why is it ok for them not to care about anyone but themselves?

the people you're being a bit of a knob to are specifically not among the "hundreds" who've gone sailing past,and failed to let you out.

No, cos if they're slowing up already in good time, I'll pull out and it'll be fine.

Most people just need a gentle reminder that someone else exists. So just ease forwards slightly, that usually is enough to say 'hey, do you mind, I'd like to get out of this junction sometime this morning, thanks'

Why wouldn't they piss you off? Why is it ok for them not to care about anyone but themselves?

Because it doesn’t bother me. Im sat in what basically amounts to a mobile living room. I’ll happily sit there comfy and warm and listen to music. Why would I get pissed off about it? There’ll be a gap eventually

Unless your job requires you to be at a certain place at a certain time. Imagine letting someone out only to turn out to be one of these people that never shift out of 3rd gear.

I’m left with more negative opinions of some on here - not because of the car they drive, more because of the way they seem to think of other people using the road.

It’s all a bit sad really.

****ing roll on driverless cars 😀

I drive an old Berlingo. I let out Rangerovers (to be fair that is most cars round here. People don't ask 'what do you drive?', they ask 'what colour is yours?'). Not that they like being let out by a Berlingo. Some do a little spurt as though they hadn't seen me flash. Ooer. With others it's 'nah mate, I'll wait for a proper car to do it if it's all the same'. I'm making this up, obviously.

I think roughly 60% of the posts on this thread have been in jest. The other 40% appears to be people taking things a bit too seriously.

I'd put those percentages the other way round. Its amazing that a cycling forum that collectively harshly criticises poor driving around cyclists, ( rightly) seems to condone awfull driving, providing the other motorist is in the "wrong" type of vehicle. 😆

In my village there is a 50 yard straight section where people can park on the right side of the road ...which makes only one side driveable.
When travelling from home into the village some drivers approaching me haven't been able to second guess that I'm coming around a blind bend and I have to wait for up to 30 seconds for them to to come through on my side of the road ..they then have the temerity to wave at me !!
Oooh it makes my blood boil...

johnx2 - Member

**** roll on driverless cars

Since all EVs are exempt from co2 tax currently, there'll be a multi tier tax system which will force your peasant cart to yield to more expensive marques. They'll also be allowed to travel well in excess of the speed limit since their superior software and components will allow them to maneuver and react faster than pleb mobiles. And without a human in the system why would you stop the machines from going as fast as they were designed to.

If that ruins your day, you have an attitude problem. I used to have one too.

I don't push out after a few seconds. More like three minutes of car after car of selfish bastards who don't give a shit about anyone else. They piss me off. Why wouldn't they piss you off? Why is it ok for them not to care about anyone but themselves?

It just sounds like you'll obey road signs saying "give way" until you get angry, then it's suddenly OK not to obey them. Because bastards.

Was waiting at a small roundabout in rush hour last night behind a small red Toyota Starlet. 5 mins go by. I watched at least 20 cars exit (allowing ample time for Starlet to progress). But no. I put the radio on. Listened to some music for a while. Finally, after the whole of 'Can't Be Sure' by The Sundays, and once the roundabout was momentarily completely clear of all approaching traffic, the driver deemed it safe to move on.

I (stupidly) followed behind (at some distance I might add) as was taking the same exit. Starlet heads up the hill. Wide road, no parked cars. Every time a car approached on the other side the Starlet dabbed the brakes. Every time a bend in the road appeared - brakes. Here comes a railway bridge ahead. Brakes. We get to a busy-ish T-junction. At this point I'm thinking of winding the seat back and taking a nap. I wondered if Harriet Wheeler was still doing anything muscial these days. Then, without warning, this most timid of drivers lurches out of the junction causing an approaching car on the main road to perform an emergency-brake.

I shook my head slowly and reached for a Ricola. Wondering if it was her elderly son that once T-boned my old Scirocco in a similar manoeuvre not a million miles from there.

chestercopperpot - Member
When you buy German you have privileged access to roads. It's about time the jealous peasants understood this.

That may have once been true but now certain brands have been diluted by making FWD shopping carts. 🙁

chestercopperpot - Member
When you buy German you have privileged access to roads. It's about time the jealous peasants understood this.
That may have once been true but now certain brands have been diluted by making FWD shopping carts.

I would second that regarding the series 2 ..dull!
On the other side of the coin I've mate with a 4.8L v8 X5 who is the most laid back driver I know ..
I could just sit and listen to that engine burbling all day

Beemer driver here 2wd variety RWD.

Sometimes I don't indicate just to reinforce the stereotype. 😀

I also choose not to bother to indicate when I'm going around or pulling into the lane of a middle lane hogger knob. They don't deserve courtesy

I have to wait for up to 30 seconds for them to to come through on my side of the road ..they then have the temerity to wave at me !!
Oooh it makes my blood boil...

Bastards! Sucking away your life in 30 second increments 🙂

cycle commuting .. showed me was that BMW/ Audi/ white van man will drive aggressively, ..if there is a traffic island in middle of the road, they will actively accelerate and try to beat you to the gap.

That's relatively courteous, I don't mind that as much as the ones (can I add big double cab pickups to the list please for this one?) who aren't bothered about getting in before the island and will happily just squeeze past alongside the island and force you into the kerb.

In a place with very little traffic on the roads, if you are getting 10+ cars bottled up behind you, you are doing something wrong.

Yes, I agree - BUT

If you're an old guy living out in the sticks, and you depend on your car to get to the shops or visit family etc, but you aren't a very confident driver any more, shouldn't you still be allowed to make your way around at what is still over 60% of the speed limit anyway if it makes you safer and more relaxed?

I don't mind people driving slowly, but what they should do (and be aware of the need to do so) is pull the **** over occasionally.

I knew you would understand Funkmasterp... 😆

shouldn't you still be allowed to make your way around at what is still over 60% of the speed limit anyway if it makes you safer and more relaxed?

No.

the ones... who aren't bothered about getting in before the island and will happily just squeeze past alongside the island and force you into the kerb.

Take the primary when coming up to traffic islands.

I don't mind people driving slowly, but what they should do (and be aware of the need to do so) is pull the **** over occasionally.

Why? Does it wind you up? It's a maximum speed limit, not a target. If you think like this, you've got an attitude problem.

See what I did there?

Anyway, I have both a rwd BMW and a Touareg SUV. Bow to me peasants, bow.

My BMW has an M Sport sterring wheel & cost less than my MTB, i'd rather commute by my fixed wheel though - which cost less then the car.

I don't give way to taxi drivers, bunch of berkshires. Forum taxi drivers excluded of course!

Why? Does it wind you up? It's a maximum speed limit, not a target. If you think like this, you've got an attitude problem.

If you don't drive to the speed limit, conditions permitting, you'll fail a driving test.

If you want to bimble along at half the speed limit, what are you losing by letting people past occasionally?

My BMW has an M Sport sterring wheel

Cougar, aimed at this:

molgrips - Member

with nothing better to do than trundle around at 35-40mph ruining everyone elses day.

If that ruins your day, you have an attitude problem.

I may have snipped a little bit of the end of the post, but that's just to make me look better. I'm allowed. one of my cars has 6 cylinders and the other has 2 turbos. That make me better than my fellow man.

Why? Does it wind you up?

Ignorance of the effect of your actions on other people - that's what winds me up.

But what if he's watching you get steadily wound up. He's then not ignorant, just a git so that makes it ok surely?

tinybits - Member

one of my cars has [s]6[/s] not enough cylinders and the other [s]has 2 turbos[/s] is a tractor. That makes me [s]better than my fellow man[/s] sad.

V8 FTW. 🙂

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yeah but no but but but it's LED headlights and everfink.

OK, it's a bloody tractor, it's also a 1 series. I'm a little embarrassed whenever I drive it (its BMW ****er blue), but it ticked the right boxes and it was cheap.

I don't even drive, gave it up.
I just waft about on a cloud of eco-smug.

Ah, lowest life form. A walker. Even cyclist hate you!

Yup this is all BMW drivers, including me. We don't car about anyone else, don't use indicators, pull out on people and generally don't give a shit..

Oh wait... Nope that's just every single driver ever! 😆

BTW I have a theory about BMW indicators, they turn off too soon. I've driven a lot of cars and BMW indicators turn off too soon: Indicate to go right round the round-a-bout, you have to turn slightly to the left on the approach... Indicator turns off. As said I don't car anymore, I drive a BMW. 😉 Why cos I'm cool as **** 8)

tinybits - Member

Ah, lowest life form. A walker. Even cyclist hate you!

Walk?
In this weather?
I'm chauffeured from pub to pub.