[Closed] "I asked God to help me"

To quote someone,"there ain't no atheists in a fox hole".
I guess when the chips are down people will grasp onto whatever possibility there is that will save them.
As long as you have hope you have a better chance of survival.
You can't measure or explain hope and love. So I guess throughout mans history he invented religion to explain things he didn't understand.
This mans faith helped him through. Good for him.
I'm not religious in any way but on my death bed im sure I will be saying a prayer or two.

So I guess throughout mans history he invented religion to explain things he didn't understand.

Based on the evidence it looks like man invented relgion to control other men.

To quote someone,"there ain't no atheists in a fox hole".

Yep, religion feeds on fear.

To quote someone,"there ain't no atheists in a fox hole".

A lie.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/23/10819384-foxhole-atheists-plan-to-rock-the-base-at-fort-bragg

What is wrong with live and let live. He has his beliefs as many do. He is doing no harm.

Wow! You need to read a little more. Belief and religion have been used as control mechanisms to predicate a war against other religions/faiths/belief systems throughout history - does the Holocaust ring any bells?

Has anyone on here had a near death experience and how did they deal with it? Not picking a fight ,just interested.

Atheism is no different to religion. They're both about a person holding beliefs. Only atheists seem to bang their drum that little bit louder.

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The Sun says that on the morning of the game he prayed for God's protection. The subsequent events sound more like a smiting to me.

THIS why does he not ask why God stopped him having a heart attack requiring the intervention of medical staff rather than praising god for helping him through it all due to their actual actions.
Whatever you wish to say about religion this makes no rational sense.
I recall a famous philosopher [ JOB?} gave a story about a man who took protection in the church from a hurricane with his family...all but two of them died and he praised god for saving the two of them ...again this is just irrational nonsense. Whatever happens, good or bad, re affirms the faith as it is not a rational beleief.

his Dawkins led neo-athiesm is almost as offensive as the religious nutters we see at the fringes of all beliefs.
Whatever happened to live and let live?

Do we stop people being in high office for their beliefs? Ban their books? Put them to death for heretical beliefs [ FFS how long to accept a heliocentric world and evolution?

Atheism is no different to religion. They're both about a person holding beliefs. Only atheists seem to bang their drum that little bit louder.

Funny how it's the atheists that seem to feel the need to make so much noise.
What is wrong with live and let live. He has his beliefs as many do. He is doing no harm.

Repeating this wont make it true

Did the believers live and let life in the past? Why not go to a deeply religious place/country or the Spanish Inquisition and experience religious tolerance first hand ridiculous claim.
we make so much "noise" to try and drown out theirs. Rationality must won [ crosses fingers does three hail marys and asks shiva for help]

What is wrong with live and let live. He has his beliefs as many do. He is doing no harm.

Yup. Until anyone gets to the level of spoutng [i]my God is going to **** all over your God[/i], then I don't see what there is to be offended by?

Muamba doesn't take away credit from those who tried to help him. He survived some very extreme circumstances.

To me he was lucky.

To a believer, he was looked after by God.

What's the difference?

nice to see the lad back on his feet though.

Do we hold services every Sunday for the flock?

No, but some atheists certainly like to bang on about religion given the absolutely tiniest possible excuse.

The once a week gathering of the committed atheists on STW has become a most religious like phenomenon.

To a believer, he was looked after by God.

Even if you do believe, it's fairly daft to ignore the fact that god 'struck him down' in the first place just so he could save him. Such is the nature of faith though, you ignore the inconvenient evidence.

What is wrong with live and let live. He has his beliefs as many do. He is doing no harm.

agreed..

the difference is one view is correct and one view is incorrect; either god saved him or the medical intervention saved him.
Given his heart stopped and there were medical people doing stuff to him I will go with the later as that is where the evidence points

ernie_lynch - Member
No, but some atheists certainly like to bang on about religion given the absolutely tiniest possible excuse.

The once a week gathering of the committed atheists on STW has become a most religious like phenomenon.

And on a Sunday morning - unintentional irony, perhaps?

Good job this isn't a MTB forum and the sun isn't shining....oh, wait a minute....

Even if you do believe, it's fairly daft to ignore the fact that god 'struck him down' in the first place just so he could save him. Such is the nature of faith though, you ignore the inconvenient evidence.

Evidence? You've imagined [i]one[/i] possible scenario and tagged it as evidence.

the difference is one view is correct and one view is incorrect; either god saved him or the medical intervention saved him.

That's an extremely arrogant view.

Not only that, you've just made it up. Why can't both have a hand in saving him? And/or, did God not create medical science for us?

Don't get me wrong. I don't believe in any of this crap. But again, it comes down to [i]my God is going to **** all over your God[/i]. Where in this case your God is science...or so you'd like us to believe - your arguments don't support this. And as usual, as with most religious fanatics, it's argued with an extremely limited imagination.

oh sod it i cant be bothered

oh sod it i cant be bothered

Are we lacking religious fervour this morning ?

the difference is one view is correct and one view is incorrect; either god saved him or the medical intervention saved him.

A bloke slips off a cliff, catches a branch on the way down and is hanging precariously close to death. Being religious, he starts praying.

Shortly, a bunch of walkers come past. They see him and shout down, "can we help?"

The guy replies, "No, it's ok, I have my faith in God, He will save me!"

The walkers go on their way. Presently, a climber makes his way up the cliff. "Hey, are you ok?" he shouts. "I can rope you in and lower you down."

"No, it's ok, I have my faith in God, He will save me!" the guy replies.

A minute later, a helicopter flies past. They spot him and start to lower a ladder.

"I'm fine," the guy shouts, "I have my faith in God, He will save me!"

The helicopter goes on its way. Eventually, unable to hold on any longer, the guy falls to his death.

Checking in at the pearly gates, the guy confronts god. "What gives? I put my faith in you, and now I'm dead!"

"Hm, that's strange," says God, "I sent some walkers, a climber, a helicopter..."

cougar you dont actually believe that, neither does the poster above, lets go ride

Are we lacking religious fervour this morning ?

Butcher your post makes very little sense. I can't be bothered to argue about this either though. Enjoy your Sunday folks.

He's got children hasn't he?

I'm sure they're very pleased to have their dad back. I'm sure as well as god he probably thanked his doctors, he seems like a really nice bloke from what i've read. A million miles away from the image of a regular footballer. lovely story for a change 😀

cougar you dont actually believe that,

Well, no, I'm an atheist. It's a joke.

Point is, even if you're religious, there should be room in your thinking for "god gave us cardiologists," non?

A million miles away from the [s]image of[/s] the crap I read about a handful of idiots that I then assume is the typical behaviour of a regular footballer

consider that fixed.

I think it's pretty well accepted that a belief or positive outlook will help you get better.

Is it?

On QI both Stephen Fry and a Doctor were discussing the fact that a 'positive outlook' does indeed work and had been proven to in double blind peer reviewed tests.

They went on to say that groups given placebo medications were more likely to recover than those given none, and if the placebo was a injection patients were more likely to get get better than those given a placebo pill.

So in that respect, beliefs religions probably do have a positive role to play. And that's probably the last positive thing (and maybe even the first) I'll post regarding religion.

there should be room in your thinking for "god gave us cardiologists," non

the fist heart transplant was carried out by a Christiaan [ not a typo] I will give you that and get my coat. 😉

one wonders why we had to do all the empirical work and science /medical stuff to get to the point of having cardiologists if god gave it us.

It's unfair to argue with me by taking half of a sentence out of context and picking it apart. Especially when I agree with you.

Sorry,forgive me 😉
the apology is sincere.

there should be room in your thinking for "god gave us cardiologists," non

There are creatures whose only purpose is to burrow into the eyeballs of mammals to lay their eggs, causing extreme pain plus blindness. Did god create these before or after opticians and cardiologists?

Ah, that's to test your faith...

To quote someone,"there ain't no atheists in a fox hole".

Lots of the lads in WWI called on their mothers in extremis/near death. Giving the lie to that one.

Which supports Anthony Brandts idea, "Other things may change us, but we start and end with family"

Good ride this morning too.

I think it's marvelous that God saved the football man. There's good PR in helping athletes run faster and jump higher. Pity the prayers of the millions suffering around the globe go unanswered though. This god chappy doesn't really do himself any favours.

OK, the two things that are a little off about the OP (I've just ignored the inevitable barrel of bollocks afterwards):

1: I distinctly remember Muamba and others involved like Bolton staff making lots of statements thanking staff for the fantastic care he received.

2. Muamba has never, to my knowledge at least, edited The Sun.

To quote someone,"there ain't no atheists in a fox hole".

I work with a guy who's ex-RAF Regiment; served in Northern Ireland and Iraq (both times). He's a vocal atheist and always has been.

There are creatures whose only purpose is to burrow into the eyeballs of mammals to lay their eggs, causing extreme pain plus blindness. Did god create these before or after opticians and cardiologists?

I've heard that there are 200 parasites that live on/feed on humans...guinea worms are one...great sense of humour that God woman.

zippykona - Member

Has anyone on here had a near death experience and how did they deal with it? Not picking a fight ,just interested.

Not near death, by any stretch of the imagination, but I hope I'm never as poorly as I was 18 months ago until the day I die

Junkyard - Member

You are not good with evidence are you
Last time an aethist knocked on your door to convert you? Do we hold services every Sunday for the flock?
Get articles published in the papers anbout our special place in society? What utter BS [Your point is probably true for STW bit not the world in general]

I'm sorry for my utter BS, I can't really understand your post that well, THIS IS NOT A DIG AT YOU, BUT ON SOME DAYS MY BRAIN SEEMS TO NOT LIKE SENTENCES PROPERLY.

but to clarify
1. I'm not religious at all
2. I don't consider myself an Atheist
3. I am probably an Atheist

My observations come from that I have, in the past had discussions with people who have turned being not religious almost into a religion in itself. It's ridiculous. THIS IS JUST AN OBSERVATION, NOT AN ATTACK ON ANYONE ON HERE.

In truth, I just don't care enough either way. I still think that it's fantastic if someone can allay their fears with a belief that strong, and on the whole, we should be pleased for them. I'd like to bet there's not a single self professed 'Atheist' on here, that will sit by the side of religious loved one, on their death bed and tell them that they are wrong, I'm sure you'll take comfort from their faith instead. I know I would.

I'd like to bet there's not a single self professed 'Atheist' on here, that will sit by the side of religious loved one, on their death bed and tell them that they are wrong, I'm sure you'll take comfort from their faith instead. I know I would.

I think you've bundled two separate things here as though they're the same thing. They're not. Let me elaborate.

I'd like to bet there's not a single self professed 'Atheist' on here, that will sit by the side of religious loved one, on their death bed and tell them that they are wrong

Being atheist, even militantly so, does not override things like compassion (despite what some theists might have you believe). Someone trying to engage a loved one on their deathbed into a theological argument in order to take away something which is helping them, however misguided their belief might be, has issues. That's not atheism, it's cruelty.

By the same argument, any priests visiting me on my death bed seeking an eleventh hour conversion can sod right off.

However,

I'm sure you'll take comfort from their faith instead. I know I would.

I know I wouldn't. I might take comfort in them being at peace, but I wouldn't derive comfort directly from their faith, that's just... odd, it implies that although I'm atheist I'm just in denial and secretly do believe.

[i]I'd like to bet there's not a single self professed 'Atheist' on here, that will sit by the side of religious loved one, on their death bed and tell them that they are wrong, I'm sure you'll take comfort from their faith instead. I know I would.[/i]

As above you are mixing up two things.

As it happens, I have sat by the side of religious people, who were dying, and talked about their belief and god and my atheism. It's not about telling them that they are wrong; that would be as offensive as someone trying to convert me to religion because I was dying.

The 'No atheists in foxholes' business is cobblers too; dying people often have no time or inclination for any religious stuff; they often reject it outright at that point.

I will wager you will find a large number of believers who will pray for atheists who have asked them not to and I assume on the death bed too.
they will then bury them where they [ the living person] has chosen in a religious service that gives them comfort.

I am pretty sure that even an STW big Hitter /Whoppit [ no offence Whoppit you are just our most passionate member ] would not argue with someone on their death bed

I will wager you will find a large number of believers who will pray for atheists who have asked them not to

I don't think I'd ask them not to. The may be "praying for me" but really, they're praying for themselves, it gives them comfort to think they're helping. If makes not a jot of difference to me, and it makes them feel better. What do I gain by asking them not to?

Funerals aren't for the benefit of the dead. They're for those left behind. When I'm dead you can cremate me and use me to grit the path for what difference it makes.

...and when people who are ostensibly religious realise that I'm not, they sometimes relax and stop pretending; you'd be surprised by some of the things I've heard regarding faith and religion.

rogerthecat - Member
"[i]What is wrong with live and let live. He has his beliefs as many do. He is doing no harm.[/i]"
Wow! You need to read a little more. Belief and religion have been used as control mechanisms to predicate a war against other religions/faiths/belief systems throughout history - does the Holocaust ring any bells?
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It seems quite rude how roger's been ignored and had to wait 7 hours for his reward.

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Mucho ta for the award, I'd like to thank my parents, my teachers, my family, STW Forum and the Third Reich for making it all possible, and above all, God for his unseen and unnoticed hand in all things for making this happen. 😀

Just my view....
I have no faith although my wife was brought up Catholic and does. It has never really been an issue in our relationship and we rarely discuss theology although we share many values with regard to being good human beings. Last month our son was born by emergency c-section and as he came out we quickly realised something was very wrong. He had no heartbeat and I watched while the crash team did eight minutes of CPR, during which time I saw a staff member check for a trace and solemnly shake his head. As I sat there helplessly sobbing with fear, I realised my wife was silently praying. The doctors and nurses kick started our little man and he was whisked away to the neonatal ward to be cooled. Nothing about this has changed the beliefs of either me or my wife. She was massively grateful to the staff that saved him and I can well believe Muamba could be grateful to both his God as well as those who helped him.

Now, I am well aware of the doubtless misery and oppression that has been carried out in the name of organised religion, but I also believe that faith in all it's forms can give great comfort to many in what is for them, a cruel difficult world. To sneer and belittle that source of comfort seems to be, to me at least, somewhat inhuman. Maybe those of us that believe in 'live and let live' need to shout as loudly as the religious zealots and the militant atheists.

Well said that man!