more that Lamacq / NME / studenty thing where bands cease to be any good once they've sold a few records to the masses etc, and anyone working in the field of "disposable pop" is by definition rubbish
I always saw it as a bit of a contiuum; a bit like
make interesting but slightly different records, sell a few
make less interesting and a bit more mainstream records, sell more
make uninteresting mainstream samey records, sell lots
make britains-got-the-next-ice-skating-x-factor-dance-talent, sell gazillions, but soul dies
I don't know that any of these need to be classed as "no good", all can be good in their own ways.
make interesting but slightly different records, sell a few
make less interesting and a bit more mainstream records, sell more
make uninteresting mainstream samey records, sell lots
make britains-got-the-next-ice-skating-x-factor-dance-talent, sell gazillions, but soul dies
See, where we can probably all identify acts where at least part of that trajectory is true, there's plenty of others who don't fit it all. Fundamentally, that assumes that selling truck loads of records = selling out and taking the creative ambition out, which is not always true.
How about ABBA? Pure pop with no pretensions to be anything other than mainstream, not my cup of tea, but nothing fundamentally wrong with the way they wrote and performed songs, and does the fact that lots of people liked what they did make it less good?
How about Radiohead? Their first album is probably their most mainstream-accessible and they've gone progressively less so as they've gone along. And continued to sell loads
Beach Boys - started out with simple, mainstream, unadventurous pop, then developed pretensions to be more artistic, made "Good Vibrations", often cited as the perfect "pop song" and not because it lacks ambition, quite the opposite.
Bowie - only started selling records (with the exception of Space Oddity) when he stopped trying to do disposable jump-on-this-week's-genre-bandwagon singles and became a bit more creatively ambitious.
So, in summary, your description of the trajectory applies sometimes, but does seem to be widely accepted as a universal rule, with the effect that there's a received wisdom that anything that sells well is inevitably rubbish, and the artist is a sellout, which is frankly cobblers as a universal rule.
EDIT: Forgot about the Beatles - probably the exact inverse of your trajectory. Increasingly ambitious / pretentious* (delete as per your opinion) as they went along, selling stupidly huge amounts of records all the way.
It does prove what I've always believed to be true.
The mugs are empty ,even when Fielding takes a sip.
I saw FLC a few years back. Huey was talking a lot in between tracks and someone in the crowd heckled him about it. He made out like he was gonna go down there and sort him out, but deliberatley waited till one of the security guys came up to stop him. It was all quite sad. I did like their music though.
zippykona - MemberIt does prove what I've always believed to be true.
The mugs are empty ,even when Fielding takes a sip.
I think old HM's problem was that the mug had been full to start with.
My wife's friend slept with Huey, about 7 years ago, after a Fun Lovin Criminals gig in Newcastle
she said he smoked a ridiculous amount of weed, and 'struggled' when shit got real in the bedroom.
she was fit as well.
As a middle aged long term music fan who's been attending gigs for almost thirty years now, including some real classics, it was with much apprehension as to what I was letting myself in for that I took my teenage daughter and her friend to see Rizzle Kicks last year.
They were brilliant.
Talented lads, amazing timing and the way they verbally "riff" (I think thats the correct term 😉 ) off each other is really impressive. A really great live show.
As far as their lyrics go, I don't think they're meant to be prog rock-esque deep and profound TBH. Although their Cigarette one for example is quite cleverly written IMO
Also, Mama do the Hump is basically just a Fatboy Slim tune - more about the beat than the lyrics, like everything he's ever done. Personally I don't think it suffers for it.
Insulting Laverne. Now I'm angry..
*sighs and heads off to google...
The most irritating thing about Rizzle Kicks is that someone at the BBC recently described them as 'the biggest thing in UK hip hop'
They are not even the smallest thing in UK hip hop.. Surely someone should lose their job over that?
Saw FLC at Rock City in Nottingham, many years ago. Huey stopped mid song to be passed a joint from someone in the crowd, practically took the thing in one go, & carried on. Before one track he announced that for the next three minutes he was making love to every girl in the crowd. He was pretty cool. Then.
Who is this Huey Morgan bloke ? Never heard of him or seen him before.
What is this hippety hoppity of which you speak?
Like HM until his little huff on NMTB, still like the music.
He does come across as a bit of a nob.
However, he made Come Find Yourself, so I'm on the fence.
Rizzle Kicks are good fun and make decent pop music.
out of interest how much influence does the presenter have regards what music is played it their sole input or the producers and they are just the voice. I do realise some DJs have an increadible knowlege of a particular type of music
He acted like a knob. Smashing a mug was childish and attention seeking. 6 music is good, but better if you can string two words together.
Bring back Mark Lamarr ( and if he's not available, Amstell)
Disgraceful. Shocking, absolutely shocking................. that this tired old shit of a show is still on the air.
Bring back Mark Lamarr ( and if he's not available, Amstell)
Beer from the radio. Someone really should invent that. Think I've just found a topic for the PhD I'll never get round to doing....
[i]As a middle aged long term music fan who's been attending gigs for almost thirty years now, including some real classics,[/i]
Ooh, hark at you!! 😆
[i]it was with much apprehension as to what I was letting myself in for that I took my teenage daughter and her friend to see Rizzle Kicks last year.
They were brilliant.[/i]
Doesn't stop that EMF sampling bollocks from being utter shit.
Bump !who is this Morgan bloke ? I`m obviously from the wrong generation to know who he is !
I'm gobsmacked at many of the responses on here. What I saw was some bloke (who to be fair I've never heard of) pointing out to a bunch of tedious drones, sycophantics and acolytes that what they were doing was dull and not at all funny.
Buzzcocks is a truly awful and the bloke was quite right to point out that what they were doing wasn't funny.
I loved the bit where he told them it wasn't funny and they replied of course it's funny man cos they're wait for it.... your lyrics. This is how the game works. Isn't it great..
To which his reply was quite rightly "no it's not it's been done so many times before it's just awful"
I paraphrase of course.
Are you also on drugs then?
Cos I thought it was most humourous. As was Huey's red face when he was made to look a fool by a young upstart.
But he wasn't made to look a fool.
He was the only one there who could actually see that the emperor was stark bollock naked.
Everyone else was just like " man this is buzzcocks, it's the funniest thing fawn fawn fawn"
Bit like you're doing now really :0)
You didn't see his red face then? I reckon that's why he walked off: Embarrassment.
I dunno why I still find Buzzcocks funny, but I do and I don't really care why!
He's obviously a slow learner then, 9 times on the show? same format each time.....still took the money.
As a middle aged long term music fan who's been attending gigs for almost thirty years now, including some real classics,
Lightweight! 😉 Forty-three years, me. I've got four gigs over seven days next week alone, two in London, one in Bath, one in Bristol. 😀
And Huey dissing LaLa is pretty rich, he's basically known for one single, Scooby Snacks; Kenickie, while only releasing two albums and two ep's had seven chart singles. I saw them twice, on one tour they had to break off partway through to do A-Levels, and they're still one of the sharpest, most fun live bands I've ever seen. Lauren is a very intelligent and perceptive presenter, a lot smarter than Huey is, that's for sure.
Lol at only known for Scooby snacks..
I can only think of one Smiths song, is Morrissey shitter than Kenickie too? (I've honestly never heard a Kenickie song.. Is it an NME/Lamaque cliche thing?)
disclaimer - I'd much rather listen to Laverne than Huey in a presenting capacity
Just looked to me like the joke wasn't working for him- I found the 2 Rizzle children pretty funny, but if you're already feeling like the joke's dying then it'd just drive you mad. So you see the contrast, Phil Jupitus laughing and Huey just out of it completely. He looks more confused than angry.
He's getting on a bit now and the battle with middle age spread reigns supreme.
I bet you anything that he's on the iDave diet which makes middle age men say rash and grumpy things
Scooby snacks are not allowed on iDave
I'd never heard of Huey either! Rizzle kicks went up in my estimations after that 🙂
Can't say that I'm a huge fan of their music. That's the great thing about music though....it's subjective. I wouldn't brand them as shit, just not my thing.
He's obviously a slow learner then, 9 times on the show? same format each time.....still took the money.
This.
he's a knob and his band were shit.
I would wager that big haired rizzle lands some more presenting jobs after that. Huey had clearly been smoking a bit much before the show but he hardly lost it
No mugs left in my house ...hmmphfff
I'd be interested to hear what he say's about it, has it been reported anywhere ?
Disappointed in the lad Morgan, he knows how the show works, if he didn't like it or felt it was tired, he shouldn't have gone on it.
That's the great thing about music though....it's subjective. I wouldn't brand them as shit, just not my thing.
Boom - nail on the head.
But he wasn't made to look a fool.
He was the only one there who could actually see that the emperor was stark bollock naked.
And yet you made time to watch the show, then comment about it on a cycling website
[i]That's the great thing about music though....it's subjective. I wouldn't brand them as shit, just not my thing.[/i]
And the great thing about talking about music is that you can say something is shit and IT IS OBVIOUSLY [b]YOUR OPINION[/b]. Jeez.
Have you ever read a music review? Do the reviewers have to say "In my opinion... blah blah". No. IT IS OBVIOUS. Argh.
As you were.
Buzzcocks themed, this just dropped in my mailbox- why "Never Mind The Buzzcocks" can cock off.
[url= http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/marc-ollington/why-never-mind-the-buzzco_b_4241129.html?utm_hp_ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false ]http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/marc-ollington/why-never-mind-the-buzzco_b_4241129.html?utm_hp_ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false[/url]
Marc x Jim's manager seems a bit of a nob
Watched it last night after recording it earlier. Never saw it coming and found it quite hilarious...especially the RIP mug bit in the credits.
Huey stopped mid song to be passed a joint from someone in the crowd, practically took the thing in one go, & carried on. Before one track he announced that for the next three minutes he was making love to every girl in the crowd. He was pretty cool. Then.
Sorry, what about that is cool!?
He comes across as a dick, and one who doesn't really seem to get the feature he's lambasting.
