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As a joiner and kitchen fitter I'll add a few comments:
Kitchen fitting is not just a case of screwing boxes to walls; it is always obvious when removing a kitchen whether it was fitted by someone who had a clue and had the right tools for the job.
My experience of fitting B+Q stuff (is Homebase similar, don't know?) is that you wait months for the stuff to arrive and if there are any issues with what's supplied you're pretty much screwed. Worktops are crappy and only 3m in length (chipboard ones)
Ikea stuff Ok apart from service void issue,legs that fall off, the need to cut a tap hole in sinks (always tell customers to do that job themselves, or choose a sink from elsewhere!); same worktop issues as B+Q.
Customer service a bit better that the competition.
The best worktops are the ones that have ground stone in an acrylic matrix like Quartz, Minerelle or Corian. Really not a DIY job to fit it though.
Kitchen fitting should cost in the £600-£1000 mark depending on complexity of the layout, integrated apps, light trims etc. Expect to pay more for Acrylic matrix ones as fitter has investment in tools and training to fit this stuff.
Oh and btw somone above mentioned quartz worktops above being the bees knees, dont be so sure as quatz is porous which means it can absorb and hold germs/moisture, most worktops have some element of trade off and tbh you cant go too wrong with a good quality laminate (
Nope. That's granite that's pourous. I've already checked that out. Quartz isn't and is better. 🙂
Those pnuematic hinges are still only £3.24 😯
http://www.strutsdirect.co.uk/components/pneumatic_soft_close_cabinet_hinges.php?products_id=1581
I think I gave you that tip, didn't I?
Anyway, Homebase soft close drawers are NOT the little plastic things you clip on, it's part of the drawer itself. Uses a magnetic damping drawer runner which does not break off in 5 seconds like the b and Q ones. I used to work for Homebase and I would still buy a kitchen from them as they are good quality and reasonably priced.
There has been days (ie one weekend I remember) where you got soft close drawers as a free upgrade.
I have looked round loads of kitchen suppliers and haven't found one that I'd go with apart from Homebase yet, although I would get my sink, taps and appliances elsewhere
cheers PP, some good advice there.
the big thing I'm worried about is where two perpendicular worktops meet and you have to cut a 45 deg angle on each - I can see this going seriously wrong.
They sub-contract the work out anyway.
They told us they didn't and had their own fitters, but that's by the by. If they subcontract, you're paying over the odds for the pleasure. I have no doubt they'd do a good job, but I can screw a unit to a wall just as well as the next man. So I will. I do realise we'll have to pay to have the worktop fitted but even the Hombase salesman admitted it would be easy to get that £1-2K less than they would charge.
for the price difference you quote, you must get the fancier, internally damped version. Worth £127 quid of anyone's money
I really do hope you're taking the pee Dez! 🙂
[url= http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SOFT-CLOSE-KITCHEN-CABINET-DOOR-HINGE_W0QQitemZ220426469300QQcmdZViewItem?rvr_id=122182572110&rvr_id=122182572110&cguid=f33b6a801280a0e204416ec1fe9530dd ]£1.69 each on Ebay. And they're as near as dammit identical.
I fitted out the kitchen in my old house with Ikea units - looked really good with stainless steel doors (steel wrap over wood); at the time they had these big alu tiles that made a great splash-back - so a metal looking kitchen on the cheap. I spent about a grand on everything and added a free standing stainless steel Smeg oven and a steel Baumatic hood. WIsh I'd got a photo as it did look pretty good when done.
The best worktops are the ones that have ground stone in an acrylic matrix like Quartz, Minerelle or Corian. Really not a DIY job to fit it though.
+1. Very durable, look amazing. I would have one if I had the money.
The biggest problem customers ever had in my store was NOT listening. They were always told to check their order when it arrived to make sure all the boxes were there. 99% of the orders were fine and we never had a problem. Customers were advised that we could get any missing parts couriered to them within 24hrs if they told us in the first 10 days but after that it might take 2 weeks to get the bits. We had one a week where they hadn't checked it (but signed for it anyway) then kept it in the garage for 12 months, because they hadn't bothered booking a fitter. The worktops would warp in the damp and they'd damaged bits which they obviously blamed on us. Generally it was the fitter who got the stress as they were sent in to sort it out with the store. We did our best for them tbh but I did feel sorry for the workman.
I could frighten you with the markup on some of the items (only some mind you)!!
the big thing I'm worried about is where two perpendicular worktops meet and you have to cut a 45 deg angle on each - I can see this going seriously wrong.
Hmmm - I took the easy option and just put them up against each other and joined with coloured kitchen sealant - looked OK I reckon; certainly better than a less than perfect cut.
Rob, for £127 I'll just shut the drawer gently FFS!!!
The hinges at £30-ish a door are a joke when I can get 5 doors worth for about £19 of the self same thing.
I'm not knocking the kitchens, and I've already said I was impressed by the service when we visited, but that's a smegging joke.
(Smeg-ing. Did you see what I did there? Eh?)
45 degree joints on a corner are a bitch to do and are also a waste of worktop length butt and scribe every time
Get a Howdens Kitchen, if you can find somebody nice enough to get it trade, ££££ in savings. Got about 80% off the price on mine, mind I did help fit the fu(ker.
Re granite, I dunno what the fuss is about them being porous. Ours are pretty dark in colour, greeny-dark grey, and we are just about the messiest people around. So we spill stuff and leave it for sometimes weeks.. and I've never seen a stain yet.
its not about the stains its about the bacteria.......
Anybody got or dealt with germankitchensdirect?
If you can get a relative / friend with a Howdens trade account (Howdens are keen on selling kitchens)then there are some good bargains however it is wise to shop around for appliances.
We had a kitchen fitted to a very old house with very uneven walls and got a dedicated local kitchen fitter to do the install. Two 14 hour days for two men and it is perfectly scribed and fitted there is not a mm gap anywhere. The cost was £650 a couple of years ago.
Equivalent B&Q etc was almost three times the complete cost.
Another vote for Ikea units - (fitted 3 kitchens so far with them) - but you might run them a few cms off the wall on battens to get wires and plumbing behind if you need to and then splash out on a pro-fitted Corian or Granite worktop fitted by someone like Alaris with a decent upstand and a high quality (eg Franke) sink and taps.
To save money when we re-fitted our kitchen we kept all the units and just replaced the worksurfaces / doors / handles / flooring & tiles.
Looks like a new kitchen without the serious price tag.
its not about the stains its about the bacteria.......
So my worktops are unhygienic?
In a word yes........
Btw I was told that granite etc worktops needed reinforced cabinets. So you might not be able to retrofit worktops... No idea if that's true though.
Beware buying ovens from Howdens - the inner glass in our Matsui one exploded after only ten months use, but as it had been installed six months earlier it was four months out of warranty and they have refused (so far) to supply another glass for free, despite the fact that there is evidence of this happening to others and it appears to be a poor design.
we kept all the units and just replaced the worksurfaces / doors ...
How do you go on with drawers? The fronts are integral to the drawer, what happens there?
We got units from these guys -
http://www.arena-kitchens.co.uk/
It was a few years back so don't know if anything has changed but the stuff they sell is good quality and priced well below what you'd pay on the high street (Wentworth make the kitchens John Lewis sell as their own brand at a much higher price than Arena sell them for).
Very solid carcasses, delivered fully built.
my kitchen cost 2 grand including taking a wall down and tiling the floor .Did most of the work myself and bought a second hand range cooker off ebay.At least buying a cheap one I wont mind changing it after a few years when I am sick of the sight of it
Hmm matsui being an ownbrand of the DSG chain I would be surprised if it was supplied by howdens
the hustler - Member
Hmm matsui being an ownbrand of the DSG chain I would be surprised if it was supplied by howdens
Well it certainly came from Howdens... Thought it was a Matsui - maybe not. Anyway, an oven from Howdens caused us problems. It's an hja 3300 model, anyway.
butt and scribe every time
which uses routers and jigs/ templates I guess? can I hire templates?
anyone got a link to a decent explanation of how to do this?
Hewdens used to hire the jigs out, bit long winded the explanation of how to do it, but think there are youtube links if you google it
How do you go on with drawers? The fronts are integral to the drawer, what happens there?
We only had one carcass which is for drawers (so not cupboard with drawer above style) so was quite easy to replace the 4 drawers in it.
Biggest pita was getting the doors right on the integrated appliances. Fridge door isn't quite lined up right, but only I can spot it
simons_nicolai-uk That arena kitchens is the place we are looking at ordering from, they are now called Alaris, good to hear you had a good service from them. Infact we got our bathroom from them and they fitted it a few weeks ago.
butt and scribe every timewhich uses routers and jigs/ templates I guess? can I hire templates?
anyone got a link to a decent explanation of how to do this?
I fit kitchens for a living and although it sounds like I'm drumming for work (which I'm not as I'm booked until November) I'd leave this to pro's unless you want it to look crap. there are a few tricks to doing a mason mitre properly, not to mention quite a few expensive tools. I charge £50 per joint on work tops + a flat fee for sink/hob holes and finishing work if I've not fitted the kitchen. you'll soon spend more than that if you cut a worktop wrong and have to buy another. Also, not having a go but DON'T follow PP's advice on worktop fitting, very much the wrong way to go about things, oh, and never cut a 45deg mitre to join 2 90deg worktops, they always fail eventually and look rubbish from the off.
BTW the expensive soft close bits PP is ranting about are about £5 for a blum hinge and damper but the soft close Blum drawers cost around £50ea to buy.
Blazin, how do you rate the Pronorm kitchens? Or could you give me the name of some good quality ideally german makes that won't totally cripple my ever dwindling bank balance (~12-15k)> Thanks.
Right I'm being a bit lazy here, but there's loads of online shops out there you could have a look at. I've never been too happy with Homebase so wouldn't go there either, but I'd def have someone skilled to put it together. [url= http://www.magnet.co.uk ]http://www.magnet.co.uk[/url] [url= http://www.kitchensdirect.co.uk/ ]http://www.kitchensdirect.co.uk[/url]
[url= http://www.fashion4home.co.uk ]www.fashion4home.co.uk[/url] [url= http://www.cutpricekitchens.co.uk/ ]http://www.cutpricekitchens.co.uk[/url] You could always shop around,get cabinets from one place and then the handles etc from another. Might work out cheaper.
another vote for Ikea here.
As for concrete kitchens someone suggested further up - a acquaintance of mine doe this already - casts concrete worktops in situ
TandemJeremy - Member
another vote for Ikea here.
Fascist! 😀
No actually some IKEA stuff is really good. I think my mum's going for an IKEA kitchen when she eventually gets around to having hers done. Good quality stuff, at very reasonable prices.
Everything blazing saddles said is bob on.
Personally I avoid howdens at all costs. The quality is average, but the prices are premium. Customer service is rubbish and they pester you like mad to order from them.
I use magnet trade and their birch premium carcas'. They're a lot cheaper than you think of very good quality, 20 year warranty. I usually get my doors from either TKC or Hills, much cheaper than magnet and they will make custom sizes to order.
Usually fit CDA appliances if the customer asks me to choose them. 5 year guarantee on them and a catalogue half an inch thick.
I also wouldn't pay much attention to most of the advice on this thread either.
TheFunkyMonkey you must have a rubbish Howdens , as one of their prime directives from above is to BEAT ANY like for like price, I'd take a butchers at another branch if I were you
Also, not having a go but DON'T follow PP's advice on worktop fitting, very much the wrong way to go about things,
Go on then, tell us. You can't just leave that hanging with no explanation to back it up. 🙂
Are you telling me it's not a good idea to cut the holes with the worktop in place or to measure twice, cut once?
EDIT
I've just been back and re-read what I said about it. Go on, I dare you to argue with that. It's just common sense!
OK, a wee bit of experience here - two new kitchens in the same house within 20 years.
First one was fitted by County Kitchens who did a superb job. Second one fitted by Magnet by extremely shoddy fitters. Eventually had to get the Manager to take a look. Even then the repairs were of a poor standard.
Oven - have had 2 Neff fan-assisted double ovens and the newer one was definitely not as good as the first one. If it was me, I would look at my fave appliance manufacturer to see what they offered (Miele).
If I was after a new kitchen, I would buy units and get someone, from personal recommendation, to fit. The Magnet units were of a decent quality though. Did you know there is a Howdens just off the A30? My doors came from there. Although it's trade, they will let you look at the products.
Good luck!
Cheers CG. I'll have a look for the Howdens, but I reckon at this rate we'll be buying from ABC in Aldershot. We've had 2 bathrooms from them and they are very good. The salesmen are salaried, no comission, so they don't try and ram stuff you don't want down your throat.
Last weekend we took our bannister rail out, and I've got a chippy in on Friday to fit the new newels and I'll finish it myself.
The big job in the kitchen is removing the stud wall that's in there. I don't think it's structural (I'll get an opinion on that though) and if it's not, I can see me attacking it with a sledgehammer soon.
This kitchen is a big job, not all of which I can do myself, but I'll be damned if I'm paying someone to fit the units, which I've done before (You saw our old house's kitchen!) and will do again before paying the silly prices we've been quoted for it. I know a good plumber for the gas, a superb sparky, and I've been recommended a good plasterer too. 🙂
I'd leave this to pro's unless you want it to look crap
all tradesman say that
there are a few tricks to doing a mason mitre properly, not to mention quite a few expensive tools.
can't I hire them?
I like doing stuff like this and I'm prepared to take the risk as I don't want the additional cost of a tradesman. Maybe the worktop supplier could do the joint?
The above comment is precisely why you should leave it to do pro
But why? If he's prepared to have a shot at it, then why not? What's the worst that can happen? Make a mess of it and then get someone in. Nothing to loose by trying. 🙂
I'll be screwing my own flat pack units to the walls, thanyouverymuch. Anyone with half a brain and a dash of common sense can do that. ANd the money saved will go on a really nice worktop, professionally fitted.
why, because I don't know what I'm doing? 😀
[i][u]If[/i][/u] I do this myself, I intend to use the old worktop I'm removing to practice on.
Anyway, it's a bleedin' wood joint, it's not the Sistine Chapel.