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I have a tandem skydive planned with my son for his 21st birthday on June 12th . I told him 10 months ago there was a weight limit for his height ( the skydiving Centre paperwork gives a maximum weight for a given height ) . He needs to lose 1 stone but we’ve only got until June 12th to get it done . We’ve got mountain bikes and weights at home and I run a lot and once in a blue moon comes for a run with me . First of all I need to know is it doable and secondly has anyone got any pointers to get us started ?
Be interested to hear what people say on this. Intermittent fasting seems to be a popular and simple one.
Heroin. Maybe a limb amputation.
Doable but keeping it of might be an issue.
My fitness Pal to track calories.
Eat less move more.
A couple of weeks on a vindaloo diet should help
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Calorie deficit. 3 pounds a week is easily doable just by cutting out a few things (alcohol being a big contributor).
Exercise is great but all you are doing is increasing calorie burn, better results come quicker from limiting intake. Increased burn at the same type can make things go quicker.
Carbs have as few as possible and certainly no processed carbs like bread. It will start dropping off!
I was thinking cardio is key and also cutting out all the sugary shit he seems to like . He’s very hard to motivate so that may be the hardest part but We’ve also told him that I’ll do everything that he does so hopefully he’ll see it a little less like torture
Eat less.
Stop drinking.
Ride your bike more and have fun.
Massive shit!
Seriously though, avoid too many
carbs and plenty of HIIT normally works for me.
Or really good (I.e bad) food poisoning, mussels should do the trick.
Frankly, and seriously, that's a stupid amount of weight loss by that time.
I did keto and could lose 2lbs a week. The only reason keto worked was because it made it OK to be hungry - because your body ate your fat instead. but that comes with flu, lots of learning and making sure you eat *exactly* right with no cheating whatsoever.
I lost 4 stone on it. But it absolutely killed my social life. (And when I got down to my ideal target weight every fat bastard on the planet started calling me skinny and telling me I needed to put on more weight - which said more about them than me).
He's had 10 months, you're asking *now*?
Pfft. I'd rearrange it. If he needs to lose a full stone - and he's actually going to do the necessary to do that without putting his health at risk, then minimum two months IMO.
Thanks for your suggestions so far 👍
Give up bread....its pretty much solid beer...change to wraps....cut down on saturated fats and don't eat sweets....oh and keep moving or stand....sitting don't burn nothing .....except farts..lol
Dysentry
Chevy he only had 1 and a half stone to lose in total 10 months ago but kept saying he was on track . Just yesterday he said to me he’s not really been trying and now he’s starting to worry about it . I’m probably going to postpone it for a while
I read this morning that Kim Kardashian lost 15lbs in 3 or 4 weeks to get into that Marilyn Munroe dress.
Extreme dieting and wearing sauna suits (what are they?) helped her!
A crash diet can't be much fun though.
I agree with @chevychase about postponing it for a while and doing it sensibly.
I did
ketocalorie deficit
Call it what you want but what you did was calorie deficit.
With that in mind if he hasn't managed it over the last year - the last month is going to be a gargantuan task.
It's going to be a tough one so if he hasn't done it already he almost certainly won't manage it now.
June 12th is about 5 weeks away.
1 stone is about 6.5 kg
Calorie deficit of 1000 per day will lose around 1kg per week.
It's probably doable but I wouldn't want to try a deficit of more than 1000 calories per day for any amount of time. I'd be grouchy as hell. He'll need to run an overall deficit of more like 1500 calories so would almost certainly have to do a good bit of exercise to "earn" the additional calories needed to not feel like he's starving all the time.
If he really thinks he can do it, maybe 1000 calories worth of exercise every day (2 hours on the bike?) and consume only 2000 calories. Each and every day.
I am not a dietician, doctor, or any other source of truth. I am overweight.
I lost 9lbs in 10 days following THIS before my Gall Bladder removal
(TBH, I should really carry on with it 😆 )
If he hasn't done it in 10 months he wont in 5 weeks unfortunately. Postpone it and get him serious.
Just rememeber, the mouth is bigger than the arsehole.
If more comes out than goes it. Thats weight loss, right?
On a serious note, intermittent fasting might get him there, if he DOES IT PROPERLY, and is also careful on other days and keeps up the movement/excercise.
Eat less. No, less than that. Cut sugar and accept you’re going to be hungry every evening.
Run. No, more than that. 10k per day, every day.
Espresso’s and water will help too.
It won’t be fun for him…
I think the main thing here,is that the OP really needs to change thier username before doing a skydive. 🙃😉
Only skim read the thread as there is only one way up.
Atkins/ low carb. You'll be amazed how quick the weight comes off. Ad exercise and it's even faster.
I go on it every Spring after the winter excesses.👍
Your problem is not how to lose weight. It is how to motivate someone to lose weight. Does he really want this.
@trail_rat:
Call it what you want but what you did was calorie deficit.
Yes - I said that in a roundabout way:
I did keto and could lose 2lbs a week. The only reason keto worked was because it made it OK to be hungry – because your body ate your fat instead.
However - the reason it's hard to maintain a calorie deficit is that being hungry sucks the big fat one. Hard.
Keto removes the hunger.
I could do 10 hour rides eating nothing and drinking only water. I'd eat when I got home for nutrition alone - so big salads, lean protein (not too
much), lots of healthy fats - avocado etc.
But yep - the reason I could easily maintain a calorie deficit was because I wasn't hungry and didn't feel like eating.
Two things that were hard:
1) Eating out. Pretty much the only thing you could eat out was steak and a salad (hold the chips) - and pretty much everywhere covered the salad in a sugar sauce of some description.
2) Drinking. Practically impossible if you like beer. So socialising is out of the window really.
and..
3) Everyone else. You get slated for having the force of will to actually make changes and stick to them to lose lots of weight. All the people who would like to lose weight but have failed to do that for their entire lives suddenly have an oar in the conversation about what you're doing - and it's never nice. Despite the fact that they're all still fat - and I'm not.
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If he's serious, eat egg white and Turkey for breakfast, lunch and tea every day and keep calorie deficit (1500/day)
That and lots of water.
Multiple doses of norovirus should sort it
When I followed the Atkins diet I lost 16lb in the first three weeks, I did have a lot to loose though and a lot of it was water weight. I'll be honest, the first two weeks where really rough as I suffered from complete lack of energy and was as moody as hell but the diet makes loosing weight easy as it completely kills your appetite so sticking to a calorie deficit is a walk in the park.
If he’s serious,
eat egg white and Turkey for breakfast, lunch and tea every day and keep calorie deficit (1500/day)DysentryThat and lots of water.
Even better if he's got the chance to spend the next month in a hot country.
#flashbacks 🤢
Calorie deficit. 3 pounds a week is easily doable just by cutting out a few things (alcohol being a big contributor).
Maybe it's easy to some people, but I've never found the supposed scientific theory to work as it should in practice.
My eating habits and weight fluctuate and I've went through relatively quick weight loss a number of times. However, each time I've lost pretty much nothing in the first month or 2, despite cutting anywhere up to over 1000 calories per day. It's only after that period the weight loss begins, and accelerates.
Loads of times I've made smaller adjustments to my diet (like cutting alcohol) and seen no difference whatsoever.
Christian Bale lost four stones in four months for The Machinist on a diet of black coffee, one apple and a tin of tuna per day - but he's pretty badass. I lost a stone in a month once, but then I was eating so badly, drinking so much and excersing so little beforehand that it was pretty easy.
Put it and more all straight back on since, mind. 🙁
Are calories the same as carbs then?
Cos I lost a stone pretty easily by cutting well down on carbs. Bread, rice, pasta, sugars, beer, spuds (& derivatives thereof).
Not total Keto, just cut a fair bit.
Get him a job as a multi drop delivery driver. I did that for a month and dropped to race weight. Calorie burn is huge delivering in a city. Top floor flats x 120 a day. Calorie burn is huge. No time to eat during the day as you are on a schedule. Even with a huge meal at night half a bottle of wine and a big bar of chocolate I dropped around 6kg in a month. To lose a stone just do it without drinking alcohol. Bonus is you earn some money too.
Motor neurone disease is working pretty well for me
Try the Juice Diet, Joe Cross. No doubt not healthy or sustaianable, but it works.
Watch 'Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead'.
If he hasn’t done it in 10 months he wont in 5 weeks unfortunately. Postpone it and get him serious
Difficult to see beyond this realistically :(. That's a huge amount of weight in a short time
In all honesty after after finding out I was diabetic and limiting carb intake to 50g a day, plus doing strength training I lost 10kg in about 3 months.
Unfortunately even with total focus and dedication it is probably not realistic to lose enough in time.
I would consider postponing or rubbing him against someone with norovirus.
I did the 8 week blood sugar diet using recipes that minimised carbs
I lost a stone and a half in about six weeks, I cut out beer and bread especially.
all the best,
Keith
My goodness, there's a lot of stuff written here that's got no chance of him achieving his target. What he needs is a simple rack. Stretch him a couple of inches and his BMI will be spot on.
It's the month leading up to his 21st -
Can't see the extreme measures being successful, I'd be looking at rearranging the jump now while that's maybe still possible.
Bigger parachute or lighter tandem pilot?
But seriously why make his life hell for a month for something he should be enjoying. Contact the flight company and ask them if there is any way he can jump at his current weight.
Dont forget to grab the grass...
Its the bounce that kills you!
all it what you want but what you did was calorie deficit.
In a roundabout kind of way yes but thats due to keto and low carb having a metabolic advantage (Metabolic advantage” refers to the idea that you can lose more weight, calorie-for-calorie on a particular diet, usually a low-carbohydrate diet)
whats the start and target weights?
depending where you start from you might drop a stone in a couple of weeks simply swapping carbs for protein.
I had to lose a stone a while back, but that was the last stone to c.8% body fat, it took me 10 weeks, it was horrible. no booze, not enough food, no 'proper' meal, just teeny tiny top up foods six times a day, by week 3 i could barely ride, settled into it by week 5 but unsustainable in the longer term (for me) put about half back on in less than a month..
my favourite recommendation however is the raw chicken diet - not sure anyone ever took me up on that yet, so let me know how it goes.
I had to lose a stone a while back, but that was the last stone to c.8% body fat, it took me 10 weeks, it was horrible. no booze, not enough food, no ‘proper’ meal, just teeny tiny top up foods six times a day, by week 3 i could barely ride, settled into it by week 5 but unsustainable in the longer term (for me) put about half back on in less than a month
That sounds horrible but I'm curious - what did you have to lose that weight for?
In a roundabout kind of way yes but thats due to keto and low carb having a metabolic advantage (Metabolic advantage” refers to the idea that you can lose more weight
Key word being idea
But if placebo works for you instead of counting calories to get a deficit then good work
@johnners "have to" is a bit strong. the weight had been creeping up slowly, losing muscle due to less training & riding, all/any fat i put on goes on my belly and it was time to address the problem.
first time in my life ive done a calorie controlled diet - I now have much more sympathy for folk trying to lose weight, certainly when its multiple stones as i understand how long a commitment it will take. Obviously most folk are not trying to shed every last pound of fat
Soobalias; 6'0; 70kg; gsoh
I had a quick look at the weight limits and all seemed to sit at 15 stone, so guess I won’t be going skydiving anytime soon. However a lot seemed to offer an increase in limit to 16st for a small fee. So given losing all the weight in the timeframe isn’t realistic, maybe speak to skydive place and see if the offer the extra limit, and then he can just be sensible between now and then to drop a few lb.
@johnners “have to” is a bit strong. the weight had been creeping up slowly, losing muscle due to less training & riding, all/any fat i put on goes on my belly and it was time to address the problem.
Ah, I see. Your "had to" had me thinking you maybe had a competition coming up with a weight category - the gruelling process you described had me thinking you'd have been in no shape to do something like that just after losing the weight. Still, 8% body fat is a pretty stringent target for someone who's not a pro athlete or keen bodybuilder.
Another fan of Mosley's Blood Sugar Diet.
I lost 2 stone in 6 weeks. Another stone and a half sticking to the low carb way of eating in the following year. That was 2.5 years ago - I've kept it off ever since and actually have to eat a little more than comfortable to ensure I don't lose any more.
Has no one else looked at the OPs username and figured the son thinks it's safer to just keep the weight and not be allowed to go? Just me then? o_O
I just lost a stone in four weeks. On tramadol so no booze and so constipated I couldn't face eating hardly anything. Also, doing nothing. A big chunk of muscle mass just dissapeared.
Fast 800 if not mentioned already. Lost 3 stone in 3 months.
I've not read the comments but my thoughts are, in order of importance:
1. he has to really want to do it.
=2. ditch processed foods (things from packets)
=2. ditch refined carbs (sugar, white bread / pasta / flour)
4. ditch dairy
5. ditch all animal products
Diet is 80% of the battle, so getting that right is most important.
Secondly, do as much exercise as you can (hours in the saddle).
I went from 79.1kg on 1st November to 74kg by the end of November, and 71kg by Xmas, after reading the book 'Fiber Fuelled' and experimenting with being vegan (most of the time).
1. he has to really want to do it.
=2. ditch processed foods (things from packets)
=2. ditch refined carbs (sugar, white bread / pasta / flour)
4. ditch dairy
5. ditch all animal products
1-2-3 make sense 4-5 have no relevance to weight loss. They are lifestyle choices.
Your body(in weight loss terms) doesn't care if the calorie comes from a blade of grass or a piece of a cow. What it does care about is the calories expended is more than calories In
Cancel the sky diving and buy him a Happy Meal instead.
slightly disagree trail_rat, on the basis that animal products are pretty calorie dense, so seems to make sense to drop them if possible... ymmv
slightly disagree trail_rat, on the basis that animal products are pretty calorie dense, so seems to make sense to drop them if possible… ymmv
Similar to the Atkins/keto diet above. Removing food groups is just lazy calorie restriction. By removing what normally makes up a large chunk of your plate your just playing psych games with your self.
Hence why when folk stop they latest fad diet it regularly comes back.
Having an honest understanding of what a portion/meal* is how you start a healthy life style**
* See the outrage at the calorie quantity's stated on menus for how little the GP has an understanding for what a constitutes a healthy portion.
** Actual health issues excepted
Hence why when folk stop they latest fad diet it regularly comes back.
I don't really get what point you're making here, calorie restriction also does not work, i bet most people have tried and failed that one.
Motor neurone disease is working pretty well for me
Sorry to hear about that cheese@4p - wishing you all the best.
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Weigth loss is all about your head and really wanting it - get that right and the weight will come off.
I have a tandem skydive planned with my son for his 21st birthday on June 12th . I told him 10 months ago there was a weight limit for his height ( the skydiving Centre paperwork gives a maximum weight for a given height ) . He needs to lose 1 stone but we’ve only got until June 12th to get it done .
Chevy he only had 1 and a half stone to lose in total 10 months ago but kept saying he was on track . Just yesterday he said to me he’s not really been trying and now he’s starting to worry about it .
Cancel his skydive and get a refund.
I don’t really get what point you’re making here, calorie restriction also does not work, i bet most people have tried and failed that one.
Oh I dunno possibly ?
Having an honest understanding of what a portion/meal* is how you start a healthy life style**
The biggest thing I see repeated on here when someone logs calories honestly in MFP or otherwise they have trouble actually hitting a deficit and struggle to understand how folk do it.
That's not the foods fault.
Years of lacklustre food education.
calorie restriction also does not work
Apologies if I'm misunderstanding but it's the only thing that works - how you achieve that deficit is up to you but if you don't restrict calories how can you possibly use up your fat stores?
so actually by your logic trail_rat, 1 makes sense but 2-5 have no relevance to weight loss?
Been a long time since I saw a food pyramid in anger but I don't recall processed and overly refined foods* featuring as one of the food groups - perhaps how ever it's been updated to reflect the modern day interpretation of a healthy diet.
* Waits for the one at the back to pipe up that everything's processed to some degree.....
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calorie restriction also does not workApologies if I’m misunderstanding but it’s the only thing that works – how you achieve that deficit is up to you but if you don’t restrict calories how can you possibly use up your fat stores?
Ah no, I'm not talking about that, I'm saying calorie restriction as the primary methodology of losing weight (as opposed to keto, fasting, etc).
This is with reference to Trail rat earlier in the thread dismissing "keto" as being just lazy calorie restriction.
Yet I don't believe what he's suggesting (calorie restriction by portion control) works at all for weight loss because you spend the entire time feeling lethargic, irritable and hungry. For whatever reason while either intermittent fasting or using a keto method you don't (after the first few days anyway).
Portion control works fine for maintaining weight or to lose a small amount but is next to impossible for a bloater to stick to long term.
Eat less, go hungry, eat non fatty foods. Exercise doesn't equal weight loss
I was thinking cardio is key and also cutting out all the sugary shit he seems to like . He’s very hard to motivate so that may be the hardest part but We’ve also told him that I’ll do everything that he does so hopefully he’ll see it a little less like torture
Lock him in his room?
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TBH, losing a stone of body fat in a little over a month if he's not got a good record of weight loss, doesn't sound like a recipe for success.
If it was up to me, I'd follow one of the diet plans someone mentioned above, which ever seems best suited to his personality, but really for the actual event, he only needs to weigh less, not be less fat. I'd recommended for the last few pounds wearing a couple of bin bags under his clothes and go for a run around the park to dehydrate himself, he'll feel like absolute shit on the morning, but it shouldn't take away from the experience, just makes sure he drinks lots of fluids afterwards before he goes on ' on the sesh' or there will be tears.
Divorce worked for me
Agree with @Multi21 - whilst you *must* calorie-restrict to lose weight what @trail_rat clearly doesn't have first-hand knowledge of is that far from being "lazy" keto is a method that makes calorie restriction achieveable.
Nobody loses weight by "eating less". That's why 70% of us are overweight or obese despite a lot of people trying. It's because being hungry sucks, and humans have not evolved to work by restricting themselves - and fighting evolution is a losing battle.
Keto works with it - you get into ketosis and all your hunger goes away - because your body has a ready source of calories - your body fat.
Then life becomes a much more simple matter of achievable willpower - to not eat or drink any carbs and to put up with all the jealous fat people who denigrate you out of jealousy whilst they remain fat.
1-2-3 make sense 4-5 have no relevance to weight loss. They are lifestyle choices.
Your body(in weight loss terms) doesn’t care if the calorie comes from a blade of grass or a piece of a cow. What it does care about is the calories expended is more than calories In
Veganism for weightloss, partly in the head (cutting out calorie dense foods), partly to do with health of your guts, at microbe level, so I have read.....
Instead of using an aeroplane to get to 20000 feet, take the stairs
I tried keto and I did find that I never felt hungry even with a large calorie deficit.
What I did struggle with though was dehydration. I found that I was thirsty all the time but if I tried to drink more I found I was just constantly going to the toilet.
Because of that (and just general difficulty in trying to maintain a special diet when you've got a family) I stopped it.
Similar to the Atkins/keto diet above. Removing food groups is just lazy calorie restriction. By removing what normally makes up a large chunk of your plate your just playing psych games with your self.
Totally disagree on this. By cutting out certain foodgroups you are able to play to the strengths of hormones and metabolic advantage ( or energy inefficiency of low carb)
Apologies if I’m misunderstanding but it’s the only thing that works – how you achieve that deficit is up to you but if you don’t restrict calories how can you possibly use up your fat stores?
This comes down to people being so wedded to calories in/calories out argument and not having a full understanding of human metabolism and how thermodynamics works.
This is how calories are measured
in a Bomb Calorimeter. It measures the energy reaction to burning food. the calories in food represent the heat generated by complete oxidation of food in a calorimeter in a completely controlled and repeatable environment
In the body this is very different. Types of macronutrient calories behave differently in the body and cause different feedback systems and hormones which control fat storage (insulin) hunger (grehlin), feeling full (leptin).
I mentioned earlier about "Metabolic advantage”. This refers to the idea that you can lose more weight, calorie-for-calorie on a particular diet, usually a low-carbohydrate diet.
Dr Richard Feinman does a much better job of explaining the 2nd rule of thermodynamics and why energy systems are impossible to be 100% efficient.
"The second law says that no machine is completely efficient. Some of the available energy is lost as heat and in the internal rearrangement of chemical compounds and other changes in entropy. In other words, although the first law holds even in irreversible processes – energy is still conserved – the second law says that something is lost, something is unrecoverable"
Published paper on 'A calorie is a calorie" violates the second law of thermodynamics
This comes down to people being so wedded to calories in/calories out argument
It's fine as long as you understand that calories in doesn't mean calories eaten but rather calories absorbed by your body. That's why it matters what you eat as well as when you eat.
Weight lifting, plenty of cardio and just try to eat as healthy as possible and less than what you normally would by a fair bit. Be consistent with it.